use another WISP's Internet feed until restoration.
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- Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:48 PM
Subjec
Jory,
Talk to the other II4A members.
Almost all of them are involved in Peering in some way.
Peter
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ty Carter
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] WISP Peering
>
> Travis:
>
> I think you are way out of line here... Just because
> your
tle reality check is
from time to time appropriate.
Ty Carter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Marlon,
When you hit 3,000 subs give
rom time to time appropriate.
Ty Carter
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:28 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Marlon,
When you hit 3,000 subs give me a call. I'd
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
I'm calling Qwest, AT&T or Level3. Places that have senior level BGP
techs on staff 24x7. With a full SLA in place for outages. Not "some
guys cell phone".
Travis
Microse
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
I'm calling Qwest, AT&T or Level3. Places that have senior level BGP techs
on staff 24x7. With
rs did with a major fiber cut a couple of weeks ago?
We're ALREADY, ALWAYS dependant on others.
Teamwork!
marlon
- Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA
;WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Except in Marlon's case that user will NEVER be on your own network.
Roaming is the exception not the norm with cell companies.
Personally I think a better solution (if you absolutely don't
s. Which
one's best for you?
marlon
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Marlon,
Your comment that I was "short
someone else's equipment. You pay the other network for the use
of it.
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Mike Hammett
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Sent: Sunday, A
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From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Roaming is not the same as sending the Client Account to the other
company.
On 4/2
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- Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Marlon,
Your comment that I was &
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
> Marlon,
>
> Your comment that I was "short sighted" because I don't turn potential
> custom
ce. Our
gross sales have increased by 15 to 16% per year for the last three
years. We're still not advertising either. And this year, so far, we're
running 96% ahead of last years growth. I may be in a very small market,
but I'm a damned good operator!
laters,
marlon
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ased by 15 to 16% per year for the last
three years. We're still not advertising either. And this year, so
far, we're running 96% ahead of last years growth. I may be in a very
small market, but I'm a damned good operator!
laters,
marlon
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From: Travis Johnson
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Marlon's main city is Odessa, WA. Within 65 miles is Spokane, WA that has
hundreds of thousands of people, plus all the suburbs.
I
aturday, April 28, 2007 5:31 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Travis, a little perspective...you're in a technology hot-bed area of
the country!
Marlon's not. MUCH tougher for Marlon, in perspective, to get where
he's gotten to today.
There's probably only one school /
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Well, I seem to be holding my own ground pretty well... and I DON'T turn
customers over to my competition... over
Have you ever driven from Odessa to Spokane?
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
> Marlon's main city is Odessa, WA. Withi
;s not go off on each other here.. We have much better targets to aim
at.
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Well, I seem to be h
not go off on each other here.. We have much better targets to aim
at.
- Original Message -
From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Well, I seem to b
#x27;t big. :)
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Well, I seem to be holding my own ground pretty well... and I DON'T turn
custo
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
> Well, I seem to be holding my own ground pretty well... and I DON'T turn
> customers over to my
icroserv
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
- Original Message - From: "George Rogato"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Two of m
- Original Message -
From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Why wouldn't you just put up your own AP's and service the same area
rather
mett wrote:
That could also happen anywhere on the net, though.
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Mike Hammett
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- Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:2
That could also happen anywhere on the net, though.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:24 PM
TED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
At one time, a local operator here in the valley tried to set this up, not
with BGP and classic peering, but simple static routing to route just that
ISP's clients traffic
less, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
- Original Message -
From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
You would classically arrange a peering agreement. Yo
Jory,
One thing you'll learn if you haven't allready is that although this is a
world of fiece competitors, but even the fireces of competitors will partner
with their other competitors, if there is a mutual benefit and no risk. The
problem when most ISPs attempt to work togeather is that one
Yes... but this process takes 10-20 minutes or more. Our backbone (which
also serves customers via redundant fiber lines) can't be down for that
long or we have VERY upset customers requesting credits, refunds, etc.
Travis
Microserv
Adam Kennedy wrote:
That's where peering agreements come int
t: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Why wouldn't you just put up your own AP's and service the same area
rather than give that customer away to the competition?
I would spend $5k and put up my own tower before I turn a "
Kennedy
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
That's where peering agreements come into play.
Last case scenario you (WISP-A) just want to drop peering entirely but
WISP-B doesn't stop advertising your route, then call up whoever their
That's where peering agreements come into play.
Last case scenario you (WISP-A) just want to drop peering entirely but
WISP-B doesn't stop advertising your route, then call up whoever their
upstream is and talk to their NOC. If the /20 is your allocation from
ARIN, and you aren't peering anymo
This is not correct. Let's do an example:
WISP-A is getting bandwidth from Provider A. They have a /20 network.
Provider A has to allow that /20 in their BGP filters.
WISP-B is getting bandwidth from Provider B. They have a /20 network.
Provider B has to allow that /20 in their BGP fitlers.
W
On 4/26/07, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My personal concern would be turning over my IP block to my competition.
They would have to have enough control to allow BGP routes from their
upstream. Technically they could misconfigure a router accidentally and
take your entire network dow
etitors AP's? How do you do RF
link tests and packet loss tests at 10:00PM when the customer is on the
phone?
Travis
Microserv
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
- Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
ffice.com/marlon/cam
- Original Message -
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Just dotting the "i" 's and crossing the "t" 's.
ly
clear.
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
- Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Two of
- Original Message -
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Two of my competitors just sat down for lunch and wor
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Two of my competitors just sat down for lunch and worked out a network
sharing agreement. It's a handshake deal at this point though.
Basically we carved up a hilltop laying out coverage zones for each of
us, and we set a price for using each other's ap
Two of my competitors just sat down for lunch and worked out a network
sharing agreement. It's a handshake deal at this point though.
Basically we carved up a hilltop laying out coverage zones for each of us,
and we set a price for using each other's ap's.
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-691
Peering Point?
Bandwidth would decrease if a good percentage of the traffic was to each
other.
Otherwise it is just a routing nightmare.
- Peter
Jory Privett wrote:
I have two PoPs where I have bandwidth for my network. In the same
area I know of at least 4 other WISPs that have bandwidth
26, 2007 2:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
There are many issues involved... we used to peer with one of our
competitors in the area. It worked pretty well, but honestly wasn't
worth the extra time and efforts for what it actually saved in
bandwidth, etc.
Now, if
"Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
> You would classically arrange a peering agreement. You hand each other
> a equal amount of capacity (say 1mbit) and a BGP table
"Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Jory,
I am not sure what you are trying to do with the other WISP's in your
area. Can you a little more clear on what you are think
Jory Privett
> > WCCS
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WISPA General List"
> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
> >
>
igent Computing Solutions
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- Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Jory,
I am not sure what you are trying to do wi
do it and it is the basic fabric the
internet is made of. I was just wondering if any WISPs do it and how?
Jory Privett
WCCS
- Original Message -
From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject:
ietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Jory,
I am not sure what you are trying to do with the other WISP's in your
area. Can you a little more clear on what you are thinking of?
ett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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- Original Message -
From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Jory,
I am not sure what you are trying t
Jory,
I am not sure what you are trying to do with the other WISP's in your
area. Can you a little more clear on what you are thinking of?
Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
Jory Privett wrote:
There are several WISP in my area I was wanting to talk to some of
them about bandwidth peering. I know that
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