Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
This is how we do it too. If you want a face plate, you are going to pay for it. We get maybe 1 out of 100 who want a face plate. Brian Joe Miller wrote: Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4" hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
A face plate is only like .25 unless you add a ring. What I do, quite a bit, is I drill under the based board. I pull the carpet back away from and under the baseboard and usually you will find a space between 1/4 and 1/2 there. Thats where I drill. No holes exposed and the carpet just tucks back in and it's clean. Not the most professional way to do it. Also, the home dictates how far we go to make it look good. If it's one of those houses where everything is perfect and could be on the cover of a magazine, we do what ever is needed to make it aesthetically pleasing. On the other hand, if it's an old broken down house or an old trailer, needless to say, it just has to be neat and clean, but a wire run down and around the house is acceptable. Guess it doesn't take much to figure which houses we like to wire on. Some of those are the 30 minute installs I crave. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: This is how we do it too. If you want a face plate, you are going to pay for it. We get maybe 1 out of 100 who want a face plate. Brian Joe Miller wrote: Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
several sections of that stuff gets heavy. I pushed 100' up the inside of a tower once. We used it for the power cable coming down from a windmill. Dropped a weight on a fishing line for the pull string pull. On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:26:21PM -0500, RickG wrote: I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere. It can be pretty confusing and they overcharge all the time. It really isn't their fault, but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing. Most of the electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area. It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
For cat5 runs is the weight of the cable not hard in it if it is just hanging in the conduit? Du you put junction boxes every x feet to strap down? Cliff Olle President Eccentrix Technologies, LLC (512) 426-4929 cl...@eccentrixtechnologies.com On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: several sections of that stuff gets heavy. I pushed 100' up the inside of a tower once. We used it for the power cable coming down from a windmill. Dropped a weight on a fishing line for the pull string pull. On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:26:21PM -0500, RickG wrote: I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Don't forget the expansion joints. I have seen that stuff lookin
pretty much like a snake on a good warm day.
Brian
RickG wrote:
I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:
Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit,
the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
years now.
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
are for the young
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple
have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
the parts with me.
I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe
situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
know that connections are almost always the reason for a
failure so I want the fewest possible.
We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.
Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost
exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!
Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
use instead of this black stuff we're using now.
laters,
marlon
- Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
yourself,they are for the young
I just had to ask..very interesting.
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
From: Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
installs yourself,they are for the young
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
List" wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or
something
when ever
possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a
big,
ugly wall plate.
marlon
- Original Message - From: "Joe
Miller" joemiller...@yahoo.com
To: "WISPA General List"
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
installs
yourself,they are
for the young
Marlon,
You are joking..right?
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
From: Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
doing
installs yourself, they
are for the young
To: "WISPA General List"
wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try
to get
the hole
right at the top
of the baseboards. Then, someday when
all this is
gone and
some new
technology (TV band with no external
antenna?)
replaces it
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
We moved to a shielded, weatherproof, outdoor cat5E 3 years ago. best
thing we ever did to improve ap and cpe stability.
Jeff Ehman wrote:
You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere. It can be pretty confusing and they overcharge all the time. It really isn't their fault, but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing. Most of the electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area. It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share.
-Jeff
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:
Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit,
the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
years now.
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
are for the young
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple
have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
the parts with me.
I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe
situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
know that connections are almost always the reason for a
failure so I want the fewest possible.
We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.
Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost
exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!
Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
use instead of this black stuff we're using now.
laters,
marlon
- Original Message - From: "Joe Miller"
joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
yourself,they are for the young
I just had to ask..very interesting.
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
From: Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
installs yourself,they are for the young
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
List" wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or
something
when ever
possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a
big,
ugly wall plate.
marlon
- Original Message - From: "Joe
Miller" joemiller...@yahoo.com
To: "WISPA General List"
wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
installs
yourself,they are
for the young
Marlon,
You are joking..right?
--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com wrote:
From: Marlon K. Schafer
o...@odessaoffice.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
doing
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
There's at least two us that use the enormous mowhawk cable on towers and really good Belden elsewhere. On 3/6/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: We moved to a shielded, weatherproof, outdoor cat5E 3 years ago. best thing we ever did to improve ap and cpe stability. Jeff Ehman wrote: You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere. It can be pretty confusing and they overcharge all the time. It really isn't their fault, but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing. Most of the electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area. It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
We strap the conduit to the tower, junction boxes only where needed to drop cable out for equipment. Normally just at the top To handle the weight of the cable on itself, we bundle the cable on the ground with 1 or 2 separate pull strings that are wound around the cable and taped every 5 feet. At the top, we attach the pull string to the top of the conduit (inside the jboxes). Cable weight just pulls down on the conduit. Using conduit brings up an important issue. assume you will not be able to add another line for something you need a couple of years down the road. Make sure you put in extra cable for any future stuff you might add. On one tower where the conduit was much larger than the cable bundle, we shot expand-a-fome in the top 40' - 70' of conduit just in case the pull string broke Inside the conduit we use shielded cable with shielded ends, do not run the conduit down the leg of the tower, run down a face. If you must run down a leg, get the conduit spaced away from the leg. Since we started retrofitting towers with this, we take ALLOT less damage. Scott - Original Message - From: Wisp w...@eccentrixtechnologies.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young For cat5 runs is the weight of the cable not hard in it if it is just hanging in the conduit? Du you put junction boxes every x feet to strap down? Cliff Olle President Eccentrix Technologies, LLC (512) 426-4929 cl...@eccentrixtechnologies.com On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:39 PM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: several sections of that stuff gets heavy. I pushed 100' up the inside of a tower once. We used it for the power cable coming down from a windmill. Dropped a weight on a fishing line for the pull string pull. On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:26:21PM -0500, RickG wrote: I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
But, can you get ethernet cable that will stand up to sandblasting a water tank? -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere. It can be pretty confusing and they overcharge all the time. It really isn't their fault, but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing. Most of the electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area. It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I'm just glad that only your foot went through the ceiling! As an FYI, if we do any damage to a house we send out the repair people. The customer still gets billed for our install, but we take care of fixing the damage that was done. My best one like this was when I removed a sat. dish and mounting arm. I put up my arm but the screw holes were off by half an inch or so. When I ran my 1 1/2 lag screw into the side of the house it hit an electrical run. No the run shouldn't have been that close to the siding, but there it was sigh $750 or so later all was good. The electrician had to pull the siding off the house, go into the attic where he installed a new box that fed a new wire all the way down to the outlet in the wall. ug marlon - Original Message - From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be careful. Same thing when you 20. NGL -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Us kids are sore from falling,...lol --- On Thu, 3/5/09, NGL n...@ngl.net wrote: From: NGL n...@ngl.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 10:48 AM What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be careful. Same thing when you 20. NGL -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
You must be grandfathered from that law of gravity thing they just came up with!... must not affect you! :) har har ryan NGL wrote: What wrong with you kids? I am 75 and still doing installs. Just have to be careful. Same thing when you 20. NGL -- From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 AM To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Enjoyed the story Joe. Definitely made me laugh. Being 44 now, I get it to. Not so long ago I'd think nothing of jumping off a 1 story roof. Now I give a second thought to jumping down 3 stairs... You know age is catching up when you have your chiropractor in your mobile phone favorites list! Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:10 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Took tommy with me to finish up harrisonmn fisheries. Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:08 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Sorry, damn windows mobile. Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. -Original Message- From: Brent A Havens bhav...@marktwain.coop Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:47 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Took tommy with me to finish up harrisonmn fisheries. Sent from my Windows Mobile® phone. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:08 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
It was an existing plate on the wall and I didn't have any on my truck at the time. I have them now. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 11:08 AM Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4 hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Kinda like laughing in a limo in Chicago? ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:25 To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Gives a new meaning to truck roll!!! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.comwrote: One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Dun dun dun - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Kinda like laughing in a limo in Chicago? ;-) Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:52:25 To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
I had a partner years ago was a computer guy. We opened a new store in another city and he wanted to have a hole cut in the wall for a big window type deal between the retail end and the tech desk. I told him to wait till I cam up to do some other work. Instead he took one of my small trim skill saws and decided he could cut a hole in a wall. True story. He take the skill saw and he lays it against the wall about eye level and places his face, his eye in particular, right in front of the blade of the saw, so he could see where it was going. SPLINTERS! Splinters in the eye when he pulled that trigger. Note to others, wear safety gogles and maintanine safe distance away from the saw. Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: One of my phone techs thought that he could go out and do local service calls when the phones weren't busy. This guy is pretty big - probably about 350 or so at the time and not the most nimble person in the world. He stopped by the customer's house and went to look at his router, which was up in the attic above the guys garage. Apparently, he lost his balance on the ladder and went through the drywall ceiling next to the attic access and dropped about 15 feet to the concrete floor. He was alright (miraculously) and the homeowner was actually pretty understanding about the situation. I asked the tech how it went down, and he said that when he started falling off the ladder, he just did a tuck and roll. Which made me feel a little better, because the image of him leaving a giant-sized human outline with arms and legs flailing as he went through the drywall was stuck in my head and causing me to tear up from laughing so hard. I thought it was probably like a combination of the Kool-Aid man and Sesame Street muppets going through walls. He doesn't do service calls any more. :^) Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Joe Miller wrote: This should make for a good read, or a good laugh. This week, my installer has been out of town. However, business still goes on. I decided to do some of the installs while he is away. Nothing was different about these installs from the hundreds of installs that I've done in the past. The first install that I did on Tuesday of this week resulted in drilling a small hole in my right hand. I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. What the hell was I thinking. I've never tried to do that in the past. I've always used a 2x4 or something like that to back it up to keep that from happening. It was getting late and I took a short cut. My right hand is still paying the price for that one. The second install resulted in putting my foot through the ceiling due to not have full use of my right hand from the install the day before. Walking around in ceilings requires the use of both hands. Well, my right hand, still in pain from the install the day before, was having issues with it being used. Anyway, while moving around in the attic area for the third time to fish up my cat5 cable and to remove the tools that I put up there, I slipped on one of the ceiling joists and put my foot through the sheetrock. I though the homeowner was going to come unglued, but he was pretty cool about it. He was more concerned about me than his ceiling. In order to save face, I gave him the $249.00 install for free, gave him the new router and USB wireless adapter (cost of $100.00) for free as well. Along with a free months service of $49.95. This was to help cover the cost of the repair of the sheetrock. The hole in the ceiling was the size of my size 13 shoe. And of course I'm really sore this morning writing this. Anyway, the whole point of writing this is that there is a time in everyone's life when you have to leave the installs to the younger ones. I'm not saying I'm too old to do this, but after running cable in houses for over 20 years, it is time to let others take care of it. Even if it means putting off installs for new customers. As the VP of Operations for my company, I've always had the just get it done attitude. There is nothing that my company does that I cannot do, and I have. It doesn't mean that I have to do them. When that time comes, you just have to learn how to delegate those jobs out. Now that everyone has had a laugh at my expense, (it's ok). Maybe someone here can learn from what I did this week and not make the same mistakes. The main thing is that we do our jobs well. And above all...we do them safely. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-238-2563 www.dslbyair.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
