Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[wispawireless]

I'll never install a reflector setup. Don't ask why, I don't know.



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From: "Greg Osborn" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:28:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs


There is nothing easy about the nanobridge install. 100% PITA and the gain 
isn't very great. 10-12 db additional with a securalign or kpp. The power is 
much lower on the bridges also. 600 mw vs 200-300. 

On 3/23/2012 12:03 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote: 

trying to standardize on a single radio platform with the NSM2.

On 3/23/2012 10:58 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote: 

Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then NS2/Reflector 
combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.

Regards
Michael Baird

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From: "Chris Gotstein"  To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" 
 , "WISPA General List"  Sent: 
Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM
Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz
installs.  At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio for
alignment.  When using a reflector, they are complaining that they can't
see the lights on the radio to align it.  Besides allowing them to login
to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly align
the NSM radios when using a reflector?  Is it as difficult as my
installers are making it out to be? 

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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[Chris Gotstein]

That setup works if you are doing NAT on the radio.  We are bridging 
through the radio, and all our towers/APs are different subnets.  We 
assign a private static IP to each radio.  So the installer would have 
to change the IP info on his laptop to match the subnet of the radio to 
log in.  That will be difficult to teach our installers.  Josh mentioned 
using IP Alias, so I might give that a try as well.

On 3/23/2012 12:26 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> The lights are nice, but they are not the most accurate way to align.
> Best way to align is with a laptop / looking at the web interface.
>
> There are some folks who have setup an elaborate setup.. (using a wifi
> cpe, with passthru poe cable and using a Drod app to see the radio
> signal)
>
> The really nice thing about the reflectors is that the back side of the
> radio points downward to the ground, which 'isolates' it from hearing on
> the back side  other AP's and adding noise to the noise floor.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
>
> On 3/23/2012 1:01 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:
>> That's the complaint i'm getting from our installers, nearly impossible
>> to see the lights and align when on a tv tower.
>>
>> On 3/23/2012 12:00 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>> My installers hate the SA or KPP Reflector with Nanostation installs at
>>> the top of a tv tower. They much prefer the NanoBridge.
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>>
>>> General Manager
>>>
>>> PCSWIN / RC-WiFi
>>>
>>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Greg Osborn
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 12:28 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs
>>>
>>> There is nothing easy about the nanobridge install. 100% PITA and the
>>> gain isn't very great. 10-12 db additional with a securalign or kpp. The
>>> power is much lower on the bridges also. 600 mw vs 200-300.
>>>
>>> On 3/23/2012 12:03 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:
>>>
>>> trying to standardize on a single radio platform with the NSM2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/23/2012 10:58 AM,m...@tc3net.com<mailto:m...@tc3net.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>   Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then 
>>> NS2/Reflector combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Regards
>>>
>>>   Michael Baird
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   - Original Message -
>>>
>>>   From:"Chris Gotstein"<mailto:ch...@uplogon.com>
>>>
>>>   To:"Ubiquiti Users Group"
>>> <mailto:ubnt_us...@wispa.org>,"WISPA General List"
>>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>>
>>>   Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM
>>>
>>>   Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz
>>>
>>>   installs.At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio 
>>> for
>>>
>>>   alignment.When using a reflector, they are complaining that they 
>>> can't
>>>
>>>   see the lights on the radio to align it.Besides allowing them to 
>>> login
>>>
>>>   to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly 
>>> align
>>>
>>>   the NSM radios when using a reflector?Is it as difficult as my
>>>
>>>   installers are making it out to be?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks
>>> Greg Osborn
>>> Tech Support and Field Service Manager
>>> OnlyInternet.Net
>>> 1.800.363.0989
>>> <http://www.facebook.com/onlyinternet><http://www.twitter.com/oibw>
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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[Faisal Imtiaz]

The lights are nice, but they are not the most accurate way to align.
Best way to align is with a laptop / looking at the web interface.

There are some folks who have setup an elaborate setup.. (using a wifi 
cpe, with passthru poe cable and using a Drod app to see the radio 
signal)

The really nice thing about the reflectors is that the back side of the 
radio points downward to the ground, which 'isolates' it from hearing on 
the back side  other AP's and adding noise to the noise floor.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet&  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 3/23/2012 1:01 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:
> That's the complaint i'm getting from our installers, nearly impossible
> to see the lights and align when on a tv tower.
>
> On 3/23/2012 12:00 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> My installers hate the SA or KPP Reflector with Nanostation installs at
>> the top of a tv tower. They much prefer the NanoBridge.
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>>
>> General Manager
>>
>> PCSWIN / RC-WiFi
>>
>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> *On Behalf Of *Greg Osborn
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 12:28 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs
>>
>> There is nothing easy about the nanobridge install. 100% PITA and the
>> gain isn't very great. 10-12 db additional with a securalign or kpp. The
>> power is much lower on the bridges also. 600 mw vs 200-300.
>>
>> On 3/23/2012 12:03 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:
>>
>> trying to standardize on a single radio platform with the NSM2.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/23/2012 10:58 AM,m...@tc3net.com<mailto:m...@tc3net.com>   wrote:
>>
>>  Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then 
>> NS2/Reflector combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Regards
>>
>>  Michael Baird
>>
>>
>>
>>  - Original Message -
>>
>>  From:"Chris Gotstein"   <mailto:ch...@uplogon.com>
>>
>>  To:"Ubiquiti Users Group"   
>> <mailto:ubnt_us...@wispa.org>,"WISPA General List"   
>> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>>
>>  Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM
>>
>>  Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs
>>
>>
>>
>>  We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz
>>
>>  installs.At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio 
>> for
>>
>>  alignment.When using a reflector, they are complaining that they 
>> can't
>>
>>  see the lights on the radio to align it.Besides allowing them to 
>> login
>>
>>  to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly align
>>
>>  the NSM radios when using a reflector?Is it as difficult as my
>>
>>  installers are making it out to be?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks
>> Greg Osborn
>> Tech Support and Field Service Manager
>> OnlyInternet.Net
>> 1.800.363.0989
>> <http://www.facebook.com/onlyinternet><http://www.twitter.com/oibw>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[Chris Gotstein]

That's the complaint i'm getting from our installers, nearly impossible 
to see the lights and align when on a tv tower.

On 3/23/2012 12:00 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> My installers hate the SA or KPP Reflector with Nanostation installs at
> the top of a tv tower. They much prefer the NanoBridge.
>
> Steve Barnes
>
> General Manager
>
> PCSWIN / RC-WiFi
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Greg Osborn
> *Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 12:28 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs
>
> There is nothing easy about the nanobridge install. 100% PITA and the
> gain isn't very great. 10-12 db additional with a securalign or kpp. The
> power is much lower on the bridges also. 600 mw vs 200-300.
>
> On 3/23/2012 12:03 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:
>
> trying to standardize on a single radio platform with the NSM2.
>
>
>
> On 3/23/2012 10:58 AM,m...@tc3net.com  <mailto:m...@tc3net.com>  wrote:
>
> Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then 
> NS2/Reflector combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Baird
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From:"Chris Gotstein"  <mailto:ch...@uplogon.com>
>
> To:"Ubiquiti Users Group"  
> <mailto:ubnt_us...@wispa.org>,"WISPA General List"  
> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
>
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM
>
> Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs
>
>
>
> We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz
>
> installs.At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio for
>
> alignment.When using a reflector, they are complaining that they can't
>
> see the lights on the radio to align it.Besides allowing them to login
>
> to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly align
>
> the NSM radios when using a reflector?Is it as difficult as my
>
> installers are making it out to be?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Greg Osborn
> Tech Support and Field Service Manager
> OnlyInternet.Net
> 1.800.363.0989
> <http://www.facebook.com/onlyinternet><http://www.twitter.com/oibw>
>
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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[Steve Barnes]

My installers hate the SA or KPP Reflector with Nanostation installs at the top 
of a tv tower.  They much prefer the NanoBridge.

Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCSWIN / RC-WiFi

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Greg Osborn
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 12:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

There is nothing easy about the nanobridge install.  100% PITA and the gain 
isn't very great.  10-12 db additional with a securalign or kpp.  The power is 
much lower on the bridges also.  600 mw vs 200-300.

On 3/23/2012 12:03 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:

trying to standardize on a single radio platform with the NSM2.



On 3/23/2012 10:58 AM, m...@tc3net.com<mailto:m...@tc3net.com> wrote:

Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then NS2/Reflector 
combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.



Regards

Michael Baird



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To: "Ubiquiti Users Group"<mailto:ubnt_us...@wispa.org>, 
"WISPA General List"<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM

Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs



We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz

installs.  At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio for

alignment.  When using a reflector, they are complaining that they can't

see the lights on the radio to align it.  Besides allowing them to login

to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly align

the NSM radios when using a reflector?  Is it as difficult as my

installers are making it out to be?





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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[Greg Osborn]

  
  
There is nothing easy about the nanobridge install.  100% PITA and
the gain isn't very great.  10-12 db additional with a securalign or
kpp.  The power is much lower on the bridges also.  600 mw vs
200-300.

On 3/23/2012 12:03 PM, Chris Gotstein wrote:

  trying to standardize on a single radio platform with the NSM2.

On 3/23/2012 10:58 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote:

  
Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then NS2/Reflector combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Gotstein"
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group", "WISPA General List"
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM
Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz
installs.  At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio for
alignment.  When using a reflector, they are complaining that they can't
see the lights on the radio to align it.  Besides allowing them to login
to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly align
the NSM radios when using a reflector?  Is it as difficult as my
installers are making it out to be?


  
  



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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[Ryan Spott]

We have standardized on one type of firmware as well.. The bridges have 
higher gain but less power. From a forum post I made after showing the 
boss why we wanted to not do the bridges.


We see 1 green light without reflector and 2 green lights with the 
reflector. (Installer speak)
We don't use it to make iffy connections better, we use it to enhance 
good connections to great connections.


Honestly, if UBNT would make a dual-pol hi-power-hi-gain CPE I would be 
all over it. I don't want to use the nanobridge mini-dishes if it costs 
me 4-5dBm of power.


Nanobridge power@2.4ghz: 23 dBm :: gain: 18 dBi
Nanobridge power@5.8ghz: 23 dBm :: gain: 25 dBi (M5-25)

Nanostation: power@2.4ghz: 28 dBm :: gain: 8 dBi
Nanostation: power@5.8ghz: 27 dBm :: gain: 13 dBi

Nanostation w/reflector: power@2.4ghz: 28 dBm :: gain: 8 dBi + Reflector
Nanostation w/reflector: power@5.8ghz: 27 dBm :: gain: 13 dBi + Reflector

I'll probably end up in handcuffs for publishing/using this data.

ryan

On 3/23/2012 9:03 AM, Chris Gotstein wrote:

trying to standardize on a single radio platform with the NSM2.

On 3/23/2012 10:58 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote:

Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then NS2/Reflector 
combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Gotstein"
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group", "WISPA General 
List"
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM
Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz
installs.  At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio for
alignment.  When using a reflector, they are complaining that they can't
see the lights on the radio to align it.  Besides allowing them to login
to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly align
the NSM radios when using a reflector?  Is it as difficult as my
installers are making it out to be?



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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[Chris Gotstein]

trying to standardize on a single radio platform with the NSM2.

On 3/23/2012 10:58 AM, m...@tc3net.com wrote:
> Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then 
> NS2/Reflector combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.
>
> Regards
> Michael Baird
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Gotstein"
> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group", "WISPA General 
> List"
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs
>
> We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz
> installs.  At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio for
> alignment.  When using a reflector, they are complaining that they can't
> see the lights on the radio to align it.  Besides allowing them to login
> to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly align
> the NSM radios when using a reflector?  Is it as difficult as my
> installers are making it out to be?
>

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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

[mike]

Why not just use Nanobridge? They work well, and are cheaper then NS2/Reflector 
combo, and easier to install, probably at the same gain.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Chris Gotstein" 
To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" , "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:55:11 AM
Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation M w/ Reflector Installs

We have decided to standardize on the NanoStationM2 for all our 2.4Ghz 
installs.  At this time, the installers use the lights on the radio for 
alignment.  When using a reflector, they are complaining that they can't 
see the lights on the radio to align it.  Besides allowing them to login 
to the radio to check signal, what are you guys doing to properly align 
the NSM radios when using a reflector?  Is it as difficult as my 
installers are making it out to be?

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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Tom DeReggi]

OOps, I did get it backwardsLOL.

In that case My advice for Marco would be Reach out to the new WISP, 
and make sure they know you are there, and how to contact you if needed.
Engineering non-interference, is better than reacting to it, for both 
parties.
Knowing your competitor's equipment traits, limits, and options, helps one 
come up with ideas to co-exist.

The one big advice I'd give the Canopy user to watch out for would be that, 
unlike the Canopy gear, the Ubiquiti gear will allow the operator to operate 
illegally if the operator configures itself to do so. In otherwords, they 
could install an AP with a Ubiquiti 20dbi antenna, and still set radio power 
up to 26db. (10 dbi over legal). If you run into a interference war and 
start to loose, examine whether the other WISP is operating within legal 
power or not. Just in case, they left radios at defaults, and forgot to set 
down to legal power.

I'd also add that the Canopy subs might be more at risk if using the basic 
8dbi 60 deg Canopy CPEs.
(Please note, I probably have these CPE specs wrong, I'm only familiar with 
the 5.8G specs, and Mario mentioned 2.4G).
The Ubiquiti platform is really cheap to add high gain CPEs.
It would be worth taking a look at what subs might have CPEs with their 
beamwidths looking in the direction of the Ubiquiti tower 2 miles away.
Its also relevent to examine the AP height of the deployments, to get an 
idea if the CPEs will be pointing to the sky, or horizontally.

Interference may not only be a factor of AP interference. Reason is APs will 
be low power under 36db. But the CPE rules that allow high gain at the CPE 
will make the CPE transmits travel much farther at stronger strength. So, 
its feasible new CPEs of competitor could interfere with your CPEs. And its 
feasible a High gain 2.4G CPE could transmit it signal 30 miles, and have a 
high signal at only 2 miles.

This is not a big issue with 5.3 and 5.4, because the CPE EIRP is fixed to 
the same as the AP. But with 2.4, it cold be an issue. ON day one that the 
Ubiquiti APs are installed will not tell you the amount of interference you 
will get. Every new Ubiquiti CPE installed could add to the interference. 
Its definately helps if the APs are mounted higher, so CPEs point up.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each 
other


> Hey Tom,
> Great post with great info. have no quams with the info you have 
> presented.
>
> Just wanted to point it.. that I think you read Marco's email backwards...
>
> What I understood from Marco's post is that HE is currently operating
> the Moto Canopy Tower, and a competitor is getting ready to light up a
> Ubiquity tower approx. 2 miles away from his tower.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/23/2010 7:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> Marco,
>>
>> Be aware of one very important principle when deploying Ubiquiti MIMO
>>
>> With them, you can NOT disable either of the polarities, both polarities
>> always hear noise.
>> In mode 8-15, double the capacity is acheived, each pol with unique data.
>> Even in Modes 0-7 (single chain), I believe the same signal gets 
>> transmitted
>> across both pols, and listens on both pols for same signal.
>> The benefit of this is more resilience to multi-path fade, and a 
>> theoretical
>> 3db increase in power on the receive.
>> The negative of this is that the noise from BOTH polarities is heard.
>>
>> So... Lets say Horizontal pol is noise free, but verticle pol is full of
>> noise. There is no way to steer around the noise on verticle pol.
>> There is no way to select using Horizontal pol only without the noise of 
>> the
>> verticle antenna heard.
>>
>> SO How does this apply to Co-existence with Canopy bearby? Well, most
>> Canopy APs use Verticle polarity only.
>> Therefore, the Canopies tower will likely use most of the Verticle 
>> polarity
>> channels, and your ubiquitis will likely hear a lot more noise on 
>> Verticle
>> channels.
>>
>> If you used equipment that was a single pol design, you'd be able to 
>> select
>> Horizontal pol only, and you'd be able to steer around the Canopy easily.
>> With Mimo Ubiquiti, you wont have that option anymore. As well, the 
>> Canopy
>> user is locked to 20Mhz channels, and wont be able to make room for you 
>> that
>> way either.  So... you should be prepared that you are likely going to be
>> fighting interference with t

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Marco Coelho]

True, but it works the same.  Thanks for all the great input.

Marco

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> Hey Tom,
> Great post with great info. have no quams with the info you have presented.
>
> Just wanted to point it.. that I think you read Marco's email backwards...
>
> What I understood from Marco's post is that HE is currently operating
> the Moto Canopy Tower, and a competitor is getting ready to light up a
> Ubiquity tower approx. 2 miles away from his tower.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> On 9/23/2010 7:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
>> Marco,
>>
>> Be aware of one very important principle when deploying Ubiquiti MIMO
>>
>> With them, you can NOT disable either of the polarities, both polarities
>> always hear noise.
>> In mode 8-15, double the capacity is acheived, each pol with unique data.
>> Even in Modes 0-7 (single chain), I believe the same signal gets transmitted
>> across both pols, and listens on both pols for same signal.
>> The benefit of this is more resilience to multi-path fade, and a theoretical
>> 3db increase in power on the receive.
>> The negative of this is that the noise from BOTH polarities is heard.
>>
>> So... Lets say Horizontal pol is noise free, but verticle pol is full of
>> noise. There is no way to steer around the noise on verticle pol.
>> There is no way to select using Horizontal pol only without the noise of the
>> verticle antenna heard.
>>
>> SO How does this apply to Co-existence with Canopy bearby? Well, most
>> Canopy APs use Verticle polarity only.
>> Therefore, the Canopies tower will likely use most of the Verticle polarity
>> channels, and your ubiquitis will likely hear a lot more noise on Verticle
>> channels.
>>
>> If you used equipment that was a single pol design, you'd be able to select
>> Horizontal pol only, and you'd be able to steer around the Canopy easily.
>> With Mimo Ubiquiti, you wont have that option anymore. As well, the Canopy
>> user is locked to 20Mhz channels, and wont be able to make room for you that
>> way either.  So... you should be prepared that you are likely going to be
>> fighting interference with the Canopy users. The Canopy user will have one
>> advantage, they'll only need 3db SNR to survive your noise, where you'll
>> need atleast 8-10db SNR to survive their noise. (Ubiquiti would work better
>> at 18-25db SNR).
>>
>> You will have two advantages though One, your Ubiquitis can be set to
>> 10Mhz channels, adjustable in 5Mhz increasments, to find the holes between
>> the Canopy's selected channels. Two, the Ubiquitis are higher power.  You'll
>> be able to go up to 24-26dbm at the CPE (depending on modulation), where
>> Canopy may be limited to 22dbm, and Ubiquiti has more flexible CPE options
>> to choose higher gain antennas, if needed.
>>
>> If the Canopy tower is two miles away, you should be able to carefully
>> select your channel plan to avoid interference, but noise at your tower will
>> still be a big concern to avoid. I'd highly recommend that you go all out on
>> the Ubiquiti Tower, and in addition to using the UBiquiti Antennas, use the
>> custom third party shields made for them to increase the Front/Back
>> isolation of the antennas.
>>
>> These Ubiquiti Radio are really really sweet. And their wireless dirver
>> appear to handle noise well. But its still all about the math, and with
>> Ubiquiti MIMO, it does hear MORE noise, because of the dual pol design.
>>
>> Note, if you ever run into trouble where there the Verticle pol noise is to
>> severe for the AP It is possible to select single chain mode 0-7, and
>> cap the verticle pol antenna port on the radio (disconnect verticle pol
>> antenna feed), then your radio would just hear on Horizontal pol. (I believe
>> Chain0 is Horizontal pol, from what we've determined, but you'd need to
>> confirm that yourself). However, I can not vouge for whether there would be
>> any long term harm to the radio because of that, meaning whether it would
>> hurt to operate the radio without an antenna load on the second chain
>> polarity. But we've operated successfully like that at some sights for a
>> while.
>>
>> Another technique that can help is to point only one 120 degree antenna in
>> the direction of the Canopy tower. The mentality here is to send the very
>> least amount of noise and channel usage in their direction. It will be
>> easier for the Canopy tower to vacate and leave a single channel for your
>> use, in that direction. Anything you point at them could interfere with
>> them, and vice versa, so reduce the number of channels pointed to them. Most
>> ISPs can spare a channel, but cant spare many. So give them a solution for
>> non-interference, that impacts them the least.  They were there first, and
>> would likely protect their turf, the last thing you want is a noise battle
>> with a 3db SNR TDD radio.
>>
>> The Ubiquiti freq scanner works well, to find the best free channel to use
>> for each

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hey Tom,
Great post with great info. have no quams with the info you have presented.

Just wanted to point it.. that I think you read Marco's email backwards...

What I understood from Marco's post is that HE is currently operating 
the Moto Canopy Tower, and a competitor is getting ready to light up a 
Ubiquity tower approx. 2 miles away from his tower.

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 9/23/2010 7:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Marco,
>
> Be aware of one very important principle when deploying Ubiquiti MIMO
>
> With them, you can NOT disable either of the polarities, both polarities
> always hear noise.
> In mode 8-15, double the capacity is acheived, each pol with unique data.
> Even in Modes 0-7 (single chain), I believe the same signal gets transmitted
> across both pols, and listens on both pols for same signal.
> The benefit of this is more resilience to multi-path fade, and a theoretical
> 3db increase in power on the receive.
> The negative of this is that the noise from BOTH polarities is heard.
>
> So... Lets say Horizontal pol is noise free, but verticle pol is full of
> noise. There is no way to steer around the noise on verticle pol.
> There is no way to select using Horizontal pol only without the noise of the
> verticle antenna heard.
>
> SO How does this apply to Co-existence with Canopy bearby? Well, most
> Canopy APs use Verticle polarity only.
> Therefore, the Canopies tower will likely use most of the Verticle polarity
> channels, and your ubiquitis will likely hear a lot more noise on Verticle
> channels.
>
> If you used equipment that was a single pol design, you'd be able to select
> Horizontal pol only, and you'd be able to steer around the Canopy easily.
> With Mimo Ubiquiti, you wont have that option anymore. As well, the Canopy
> user is locked to 20Mhz channels, and wont be able to make room for you that
> way either.  So... you should be prepared that you are likely going to be
> fighting interference with the Canopy users. The Canopy user will have one
> advantage, they'll only need 3db SNR to survive your noise, where you'll
> need atleast 8-10db SNR to survive their noise. (Ubiquiti would work better
> at 18-25db SNR).
>
> You will have two advantages though One, your Ubiquitis can be set to
> 10Mhz channels, adjustable in 5Mhz increasments, to find the holes between
> the Canopy's selected channels. Two, the Ubiquitis are higher power.  You'll
> be able to go up to 24-26dbm at the CPE (depending on modulation), where
> Canopy may be limited to 22dbm, and Ubiquiti has more flexible CPE options
> to choose higher gain antennas, if needed.
>
> If the Canopy tower is two miles away, you should be able to carefully
> select your channel plan to avoid interference, but noise at your tower will
> still be a big concern to avoid. I'd highly recommend that you go all out on
> the Ubiquiti Tower, and in addition to using the UBiquiti Antennas, use the
> custom third party shields made for them to increase the Front/Back
> isolation of the antennas.
>
> These Ubiquiti Radio are really really sweet. And their wireless dirver
> appear to handle noise well. But its still all about the math, and with
> Ubiquiti MIMO, it does hear MORE noise, because of the dual pol design.
>
> Note, if you ever run into trouble where there the Verticle pol noise is to
> severe for the AP It is possible to select single chain mode 0-7, and
> cap the verticle pol antenna port on the radio (disconnect verticle pol
> antenna feed), then your radio would just hear on Horizontal pol. (I believe
> Chain0 is Horizontal pol, from what we've determined, but you'd need to
> confirm that yourself). However, I can not vouge for whether there would be
> any long term harm to the radio because of that, meaning whether it would
> hurt to operate the radio without an antenna load on the second chain
> polarity. But we've operated successfully like that at some sights for a
> while.
>
> Another technique that can help is to point only one 120 degree antenna in
> the direction of the Canopy tower. The mentality here is to send the very
> least amount of noise and channel usage in their direction. It will be
> easier for the Canopy tower to vacate and leave a single channel for your
> use, in that direction. Anything you point at them could interfere with
> them, and vice versa, so reduce the number of channels pointed to them. Most
> ISPs can spare a channel, but cant spare many. So give them a solution for
> non-interference, that impacts them the least.  They were there first, and
> would likely protect their turf, the last thing you want is a noise battle
> with a 3db SNR TDD radio.
>
> The Ubiquiti freq scanner works well, to find the best free channel to use
> for each of your sectors. That will come in handy, determining what channels
> are being used by the Canopy.
> .
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Gino Villarini]

>From the 10.4 release notes

 

 

 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143

 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of
each other

 

  Canopy C/I numbers:

 

~3dB @ 2 Level FSK, ~10dB @ 4 Level FSK

 

The 430 series didn't list its C/I.

 

-

Mike Hammett

Intelligent Computing Solutions

http://www.ics-il.com

 

 

 

On 9/23/2010 6:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Marco,

> 

> Be aware of one very important principle when deploying Ubiquiti
MIMO

> 

> With them, you can NOT disable either of the polarities, both
polarities

> always hear noise.

> In mode 8-15, double the capacity is acheived, each pol with unique
data.

> Even in Modes 0-7 (single chain), I believe the same signal gets
transmitted

> across both pols, and listens on both pols for same signal.

> The benefit of this is more resilience to multi-path fade, and a
theoretical

> 3db increase in power on the receive.

> The negative of this is that the noise from BOTH polarities is heard.

> 

> So... Lets say Horizontal pol is noise free, but verticle pol is full
of

> noise. There is no way to steer around the noise on verticle pol.

> There is no way to select using Horizontal pol only without the noise
of the

> verticle antenna heard.

> 

> SO How does this apply to Co-existence with Canopy bearby? Well,
most

> Canopy APs use Verticle polarity only.

> Therefore, the Canopies tower will likely use most of the Verticle
polarity

> channels, and your ubiquitis will likely hear a lot more noise on
Verticle

> channels.

> 

> If you used equipment that was a single pol design, you'd be able to
select

> Horizontal pol only, and you'd be able to steer around the Canopy
easily.

> With Mimo Ubiquiti, you wont have that option anymore. As well, the
Canopy

> user is locked to 20Mhz channels, and wont be able to make room for
you that

> way either.  So... you should be prepared that you are likely going to
be

> fighting interference with the Canopy users. The Canopy user will have
one

> advantage, they'll only need 3db SNR to survive your noise, where
you'll

> need atleast 8-10db SNR to survive their noise. (Ubiquiti would work
better

> at 18-25db SNR).

> 

> You will have two advantages though One, your Ubiquitis can be set
to

> 10Mhz channels, adjustable in 5Mhz increasments, to find the holes
between

> the Canopy's selected channels. Two, the Ubiquitis are higher power.
You'll

> be able to go up to 24-26dbm at the CPE (depending on modulation),
where

> Canopy may be limited to 22dbm, and Ubiquiti has more flexible CPE
options

> to choose higher gain antennas, if needed.

> 

> If the Canopy tower is two miles away, you should be able to carefully

> select your channel plan to avoid interference, but noise at your
tower will

> still be a big concern to avoid. I'd highly recommend that you go all
out on

> the Ubiquiti Tower, and in addition to using the UBiquiti Antennas,
use the

> custom third party shields made for them to increase the Front/Back

> isolation of the antennas.

> 

> These Ubiquiti Radio are really really sweet. And their wireless
dirver

> appear to handle noise well. But its still all about the math, and
with

> Ubiquiti MIMO, it does hear MORE noise, because of the dual pol
design.

> 

> Note, if you ever run into trouble where there the Verticle pol noise
is to

> severe for the AP It is possible to select single chain mode 0-7,
and

> cap the verticle pol antenna port on the radio (disconnect verticle
pol

> antenna feed), then your radio would just hear on Horizontal pol. (I
believe

> Chain0 is Horizontal pol, from what we've determined, but you'd need
to

> confirm that yourself). However, I can not vouge for whether there
would be

> any long term harm to the radio because of that, meaning whether it
would

> hurt to operate the radio without an antenna load on the second chain

> polarity. But we've operated successfully like that at some sights for
a

> while.

> 

> Another technique that can help is to point only one 120 degree
antenna in

> the direction of the Canopy tower. The mentality here is to send the
very

> least amount of noise and channel usage in their direction. It will be

> easier for the Canopy tower to vacate and leave a single channel for
your

> use, in that direction. Anything you point at them could interfere
with

> them, and vice versa, so reduce the number of channels pointed to
them. Most

> ISPs can spare a channel

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Mike Hammett]

  Canopy C/I numbers:

~3dB @ 2 Level FSK, ~10dB @ 4 Level FSK

The 430 series didn't list its C/I.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 9/23/2010 6:03 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
> Marco,
>
> Be aware of one very important principle when deploying Ubiquiti MIMO
>
> With them, you can NOT disable either of the polarities, both polarities
> always hear noise.
> In mode 8-15, double the capacity is acheived, each pol with unique data.
> Even in Modes 0-7 (single chain), I believe the same signal gets transmitted
> across both pols, and listens on both pols for same signal.
> The benefit of this is more resilience to multi-path fade, and a theoretical
> 3db increase in power on the receive.
> The negative of this is that the noise from BOTH polarities is heard.
>
> So... Lets say Horizontal pol is noise free, but verticle pol is full of
> noise. There is no way to steer around the noise on verticle pol.
> There is no way to select using Horizontal pol only without the noise of the
> verticle antenna heard.
>
> SO How does this apply to Co-existence with Canopy bearby? Well, most
> Canopy APs use Verticle polarity only.
> Therefore, the Canopies tower will likely use most of the Verticle polarity
> channels, and your ubiquitis will likely hear a lot more noise on Verticle
> channels.
>
> If you used equipment that was a single pol design, you'd be able to select
> Horizontal pol only, and you'd be able to steer around the Canopy easily.
> With Mimo Ubiquiti, you wont have that option anymore. As well, the Canopy
> user is locked to 20Mhz channels, and wont be able to make room for you that
> way either.  So... you should be prepared that you are likely going to be
> fighting interference with the Canopy users. The Canopy user will have one
> advantage, they'll only need 3db SNR to survive your noise, where you'll
> need atleast 8-10db SNR to survive their noise. (Ubiquiti would work better
> at 18-25db SNR).
>
> You will have two advantages though One, your Ubiquitis can be set to
> 10Mhz channels, adjustable in 5Mhz increasments, to find the holes between
> the Canopy's selected channels. Two, the Ubiquitis are higher power.  You'll
> be able to go up to 24-26dbm at the CPE (depending on modulation), where
> Canopy may be limited to 22dbm, and Ubiquiti has more flexible CPE options
> to choose higher gain antennas, if needed.
>
> If the Canopy tower is two miles away, you should be able to carefully
> select your channel plan to avoid interference, but noise at your tower will
> still be a big concern to avoid. I'd highly recommend that you go all out on
> the Ubiquiti Tower, and in addition to using the UBiquiti Antennas, use the
> custom third party shields made for them to increase the Front/Back
> isolation of the antennas.
>
> These Ubiquiti Radio are really really sweet. And their wireless dirver
> appear to handle noise well. But its still all about the math, and with
> Ubiquiti MIMO, it does hear MORE noise, because of the dual pol design.
>
> Note, if you ever run into trouble where there the Verticle pol noise is to
> severe for the AP It is possible to select single chain mode 0-7, and
> cap the verticle pol antenna port on the radio (disconnect verticle pol
> antenna feed), then your radio would just hear on Horizontal pol. (I believe
> Chain0 is Horizontal pol, from what we've determined, but you'd need to
> confirm that yourself). However, I can not vouge for whether there would be
> any long term harm to the radio because of that, meaning whether it would
> hurt to operate the radio without an antenna load on the second chain
> polarity. But we've operated successfully like that at some sights for a
> while.
>
> Another technique that can help is to point only one 120 degree antenna in
> the direction of the Canopy tower. The mentality here is to send the very
> least amount of noise and channel usage in their direction. It will be
> easier for the Canopy tower to vacate and leave a single channel for your
> use, in that direction. Anything you point at them could interfere with
> them, and vice versa, so reduce the number of channels pointed to them. Most
> ISPs can spare a channel, but cant spare many. So give them a solution for
> non-interference, that impacts them the least.  They were there first, and
> would likely protect their turf, the last thing you want is a noise battle
> with a 3db SNR TDD radio.
>
> The Ubiquiti freq scanner works well, to find the best free channel to use
> for each of your sectors. That will come in handy, determining what channels
> are being used by the Canopy.
> .
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL&  Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marco Coelho"
> To:; "WISPA General List"
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:57 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other
>
>
>> I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nan

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Tom DeReggi]

Marco,

Be aware of one very important principle when deploying Ubiquiti MIMO

With them, you can NOT disable either of the polarities, both polarities 
always hear noise.
In mode 8-15, double the capacity is acheived, each pol with unique data.
Even in Modes 0-7 (single chain), I believe the same signal gets transmitted 
across both pols, and listens on both pols for same signal.
The benefit of this is more resilience to multi-path fade, and a theoretical 
3db increase in power on the receive.
The negative of this is that the noise from BOTH polarities is heard.

So... Lets say Horizontal pol is noise free, but verticle pol is full of 
noise. There is no way to steer around the noise on verticle pol.
There is no way to select using Horizontal pol only without the noise of the 
verticle antenna heard.

SO How does this apply to Co-existence with Canopy bearby? Well, most 
Canopy APs use Verticle polarity only.
Therefore, the Canopies tower will likely use most of the Verticle polarity 
channels, and your ubiquitis will likely hear a lot more noise on Verticle 
channels.

If you used equipment that was a single pol design, you'd be able to select 
Horizontal pol only, and you'd be able to steer around the Canopy easily.
With Mimo Ubiquiti, you wont have that option anymore. As well, the Canopy 
user is locked to 20Mhz channels, and wont be able to make room for you that 
way either.  So... you should be prepared that you are likely going to be 
fighting interference with the Canopy users. The Canopy user will have one 
advantage, they'll only need 3db SNR to survive your noise, where you'll 
need atleast 8-10db SNR to survive their noise. (Ubiquiti would work better 
at 18-25db SNR).

You will have two advantages though One, your Ubiquitis can be set to 
10Mhz channels, adjustable in 5Mhz increasments, to find the holes between 
the Canopy's selected channels. Two, the Ubiquitis are higher power.  You'll 
be able to go up to 24-26dbm at the CPE (depending on modulation), where 
Canopy may be limited to 22dbm, and Ubiquiti has more flexible CPE options 
to choose higher gain antennas, if needed.

If the Canopy tower is two miles away, you should be able to carefully 
select your channel plan to avoid interference, but noise at your tower will 
still be a big concern to avoid. I'd highly recommend that you go all out on 
the Ubiquiti Tower, and in addition to using the UBiquiti Antennas, use the 
custom third party shields made for them to increase the Front/Back 
isolation of the antennas.

These Ubiquiti Radio are really really sweet. And their wireless dirver 
appear to handle noise well. But its still all about the math, and with 
Ubiquiti MIMO, it does hear MORE noise, because of the dual pol design.

Note, if you ever run into trouble where there the Verticle pol noise is to 
severe for the AP It is possible to select single chain mode 0-7, and 
cap the verticle pol antenna port on the radio (disconnect verticle pol 
antenna feed), then your radio would just hear on Horizontal pol. (I believe 
Chain0 is Horizontal pol, from what we've determined, but you'd need to 
confirm that yourself). However, I can not vouge for whether there would be 
any long term harm to the radio because of that, meaning whether it would 
hurt to operate the radio without an antenna load on the second chain 
polarity. But we've operated successfully like that at some sights for a 
while.

Another technique that can help is to point only one 120 degree antenna in 
the direction of the Canopy tower. The mentality here is to send the very 
least amount of noise and channel usage in their direction. It will be 
easier for the Canopy tower to vacate and leave a single channel for your 
use, in that direction. Anything you point at them could interfere with 
them, and vice versa, so reduce the number of channels pointed to them. Most 
ISPs can spare a channel, but cant spare many. So give them a solution for 
non-interference, that impacts them the least.  They were there first, and 
would likely protect their turf, the last thing you want is a noise battle 
with a 3db SNR TDD radio.

The Ubiquiti freq scanner works well, to find the best free channel to use 
for each of your sectors. That will come in handy, determining what channels 
are being used by the Canopy.
.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Marco Coelho" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other


> I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
> within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
> interference should I expect?
>
> Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
> trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
> smoking something strange?
>
> Marco
>
>
> -- 
> Marco C. Coelho
> Argo

Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Travis Johnson]

  I have been testing some UBNT 2.4 stuff and not overly impressed. We 
have a LOS 5 mile shot, but some pretty good 2.4 noise on the AP side. 
We can't maintain much over 5Mbps (using a 10mhz channel size). Testing 
through trees was almost impossible.

Travis
Microserv


On 9/22/2010 10:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
> within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
> interference should I expect?
>
> Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
> trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
> smoking something strange?
>
> Marco
>
>



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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I don't have personal experience with UBNT M2 and Moto Canopy.

However I would suggest that you do a search on UBNT forms for posts by 
'WHT' and also on DSLReports WISP Forums.

WHT is one of the Beta Testers for advance features and newer firmware 
coming down the pikes.

His testing suggests that, if Canopy 2.4 got into a duel with UBNT M2 
gear with Airmax on (and the next release of the firmware)... it will be 
a 'blood bath', both of you will take hits, but at the end, UBNT radios 
will keep standing.

I have no desire to start a Flame, nor a contest of wits. Would love 
to hear if a Canopy Operator has done some serious testing with UBNT 
Airmax Gear.

UBNT Airmax is about 95% fully baked, the rest of it is expected to be 
fully done within the next 6 to 18 months.

Take all of this with a grain of salt.

As to shooting thru trees and NLOS there is a lot of if's and but's 
to this... but direct experiences show that under most conditions the 
802.11n Mimo radios do surprisingly well (when compared to traditional 
802.11 a/b/g) in both of these environments.

Some WISP's are reporting that early testing of UBNTM 2.4 MIMO gear is 
performing better than 900mhz for foliage penetration (context, being 
for that particular link they were setting up).

Our experience, UBNTM5 (5.x) on short distance (1/4 mile) with No-LOS/ 
fairly obstructed LOS, shooting thru a glass window, with power @ 22dbBm 
is doing between 78x78 / 52x52 meg air rate, tcp rate is about 18x10. 
(signal is -79/-80, noise floor is -89dBm, 20Mhz Channel)
This is a special case, temp link we setup for a client.

The same radio with LOS on the roof of the bldg, would be doing 
130x130/117x117 air rate, (20mhz channel), with a -66 signal and power 
turned all the way down to 6dBm)
(BTW the radio listed above is the UBNT LocM5)


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On 9/22/2010 12:57 PM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
> within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
> interference should I expect?
>
> Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
> trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
> smoking something strange?
>
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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Jack Unger]

  Yes; he's smoking something strange or someone is feeding him a line of BS.

On 9/22/2010 9:57 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:
> I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
> within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
> interference should I expect?
>
> Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
> trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
> smoking something strange?
>
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Re: [WISPA] nanostation and canopy towers within 2 miles of each other

[Josh Luthman]

Not radio dependant.  Rf is Rf.

If he's shooting through trees it is 900 or 3.65 mimo.

On Sep 22, 2010 12:57 PM, "Marco Coelho"  wrote:

I've got a competitor getting ready to light a nanostation based tower
within 2 miles of one of my Canopy 2.4 towers.  What kind of
interference should I expect?

Listening to this guy, their radios are magic and can shoot through
trees and over hills.  Totally overcoming line of site issues.  Is he
smoking something strange?

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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna

[Eje Gustafsson]

Or change the clients channel first before you change the AP... Also in WDS
slave mode the client will automatically follow the AP

/ Eje

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I just got my 1 and only wds client off of wds.
He had a neighbor at the bottom of a hill that wanted service so I came 
up with the idea of using wds to get them service.
It worked but if you have to change channels on the access point the wds 
client will not change automatically.  You have to go out and manually 
change the client's channel.  A real pain.

LaRoy McCann

Robert West wrote:
> I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection
on
> the Nanostation and how are you using them?  I have never utilized it but
> last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to
their
> service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and
> putting it in Station WDS to see what that would do for me.  Was concerned
> though about creating headaches.  I have enough already.
>
> Any thoughts?
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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna

[Data Technology]

After re reading you post I realized that you are using it a different 
way that what I did.
I used AP WDS mode.  Station WDS will probably work ok.

LaRoy McCann

Robert West wrote:
> I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection on
> the Nanostation and how are you using them?  I have never utilized it but
> last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to their
> service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and
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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna

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I just got my 1 and only wds client off of wds.
He had a neighbor at the bottom of a hill that wanted service so I came 
up with the idea of using wds to get them service.
It worked but if you have to change channels on the access point the wds 
client will not change automatically.  You have to go out and manually 
change the client's channel.  A real pain.

LaRoy McCann

Robert West wrote:
> I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection on
> the Nanostation and how are you using them?  I have never utilized it but
> last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to their
> service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and
> putting it in Station WDS to see what that would do for me.  Was concerned
> though about creating headaches.  I have enough already.
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Mike Hammett]

I believe if you set it to UBNT, it'll connect to Ubiquiti devices.


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From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:39 AM
To: ; "'WISPA General List'" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

> I use them for the same reason from time to time.  The hot tip on them is 
> if
> you set the SSID to ANY, it will automatically associate with any open
> wireless connection without having to configure anything, you just power 
> it
> up.
>
> Bob-
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> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
>
> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless
> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand
> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like 
> that
> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on 
> them
> in terms of specs.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Robert West]

She said I was right.  I became concerned and talked her into seeing the
doctor and he put her on some medication to make sure it doesn't happen
again.

I know, it was just a little thing but next thing you know I'd be able to be
out late working, eat whatever food I wanted, watch what I want on TV and
put my shoes where ever I like when I take them off.  We can't have such
things so I was proactive on all that.

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I was curious Bob did she say "you were right" or was that you talking 
out loud. :-P

Robert West wrote:
> Portability is one thing to consider.  He wants to use it as a client from
> his truck to open networks.  I tried using the NS2 for the same reason but
> it was a pain in the butt due to the size and the plastic pipe mount stand
> offs on the rear of the NS2.  I suppose if you could make up a magnetic
> mount with a short mast to put the thing on it would be better.
>
> My wife.  Went to Mallorca Spain this past August to visit her
> mother.  Wanted to take a NS2 with her so that she could pick up open
> networks while there. (Mom is over 80 and has no want for internet) I say,
> take a Loco instead, why ya want to lug a bulky NS2 all the way to Spain?
> But no, female...  She takes a NS2.  She conceded when she returned that
the
> Loco was the better option.  Too bulky for taking from place to place.
> (Airport security was curious about that thing, by the way)
>
> The bonus is that she never removed the Cat5 patch cable between uses,
just
> wound it up and put it away.  After a couple of days it no longer worked,
> she somehow caused an open in the Cat5 where it enters the plastic cover
on
> the NS2 from bending it at too sharp of an angle.  As a result, she spent
a
> month paying for internet time at cafes.  I was right for once.
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
>
> Have you compared them to the NS2?  I'd be afraid to lose 6dbm and
> 2dbi...that's nearly 3 times the power!
>
> On 11/5/09, Jayson Baker  wrote:
>   
>> We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2).
>> They work awesome.  We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen 
>> 
> wrote:
>   
>>> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open
wireless
>>> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
>>> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
>>> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I
Understand
>>> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like
>>> that
>>> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on
>>> them
>>> in terms of specs.
>>>
>>> Nick Olsen
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[RickG]

LOL, even if she said it, you would never agree :)

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Frank Crawford  wrote:

> I was curious Bob did she say "you were right" or was that you talking
> out loud. :-P
>
> Robert West wrote:
> > Portability is one thing to consider.  He wants to use it as a client
> from
> > his truck to open networks.  I tried using the NS2 for the same reason
> but
> > it was a pain in the butt due to the size and the plastic pipe mount
> stand
> > offs on the rear of the NS2.  I suppose if you could make up a magnetic
> > mount with a short mast to put the thing on it would be better.
> >
> > My wife.  Went to Mallorca Spain this past August to visit her
> > mother.  Wanted to take a NS2 with her so that she could pick up open
> > networks while there. (Mom is over 80 and has no want for internet) I
> say,
> > take a Loco instead, why ya want to lug a bulky NS2 all the way to Spain?
> > But no, female...  She takes a NS2.  She conceded when she returned that
> the
> > Loco was the better option.  Too bulky for taking from place to place.
> > (Airport security was curious about that thing, by the way)
> >
> > The bonus is that she never removed the Cat5 patch cable between uses,
> just
> > wound it up and put it away.  After a couple of days it no longer worked,
> > she somehow caused an open in the Cat5 where it enters the plastic cover
> on
> > the NS2 from bending it at too sharp of an angle.  As a result, she spent
> a
> > month paying for internet time at cafes.  I was right for once.
> >
> > Bob-
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> > Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
> >
> > Have you compared them to the NS2?  I'd be afraid to lose 6dbm and
> > 2dbi...that's nearly 3 times the power!
> >
> > On 11/5/09, Jayson Baker  wrote:
> >
> >> We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2).
> >> They work awesome.  We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen 
> >>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open
> wireless
> >>> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
> >>> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to
> how
> >>> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I
> Understand
> >>> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like
> >>> that
> >>> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on
> >>> them
> >>> in terms of specs.
> >>>
> >>> Nick Olsen
> >>> Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Frank Crawford]

I was curious Bob did she say "you were right" or was that you talking 
out loud. :-P

Robert West wrote:
> Portability is one thing to consider.  He wants to use it as a client from
> his truck to open networks.  I tried using the NS2 for the same reason but
> it was a pain in the butt due to the size and the plastic pipe mount stand
> offs on the rear of the NS2.  I suppose if you could make up a magnetic
> mount with a short mast to put the thing on it would be better.
>
> My wife.  Went to Mallorca Spain this past August to visit her
> mother.  Wanted to take a NS2 with her so that she could pick up open
> networks while there. (Mom is over 80 and has no want for internet) I say,
> take a Loco instead, why ya want to lug a bulky NS2 all the way to Spain?
> But no, female...  She takes a NS2.  She conceded when she returned that the
> Loco was the better option.  Too bulky for taking from place to place.
> (Airport security was curious about that thing, by the way)
>
> The bonus is that she never removed the Cat5 patch cable between uses, just
> wound it up and put it away.  After a couple of days it no longer worked,
> she somehow caused an open in the Cat5 where it enters the plastic cover on
> the NS2 from bending it at too sharp of an angle.  As a result, she spent a
> month paying for internet time at cafes.  I was right for once.
>
> Bob-
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
>
> Have you compared them to the NS2?  I'd be afraid to lose 6dbm and
> 2dbi...that's nearly 3 times the power!
>
> On 11/5/09, Jayson Baker  wrote:
>   
>> We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2).
>> They work awesome.  We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen 
>> 
> wrote:
>   
>>> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless
>>> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
>>> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
>>> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand
>>> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like
>>> that
>>> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on
>>> them
>>> in terms of specs.
>>>
>>> Nick Olsen
>>> Brevard Wireless
>>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Josh Luthman]

Few devices document that - I guess it's just assumed all 802.11 devices do
this?  Engenius had it noted on their web config at one point but that has
since disappeared.  I can't imagine the capability has been lost, though.

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jerry Richardson
wrote:

> I didn't know that very cool indeed
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:39 AM
> To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
>
> I use them for the same reason from time to time.  The hot tip on them is
> if
> you set the SSID to ANY, it will automatically associate with any open
> wireless connection without having to configure anything, you just power it
> up.
>
> Bob-
>
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> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
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> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless
> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand
> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that
> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them
> in terms of specs.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Jerry Richardson]

I didn't know that very cool indeed

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Robert West
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:39 AM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

I use them for the same reason from time to time.  The hot tip on them is if
you set the SSID to ANY, it will automatically associate with any open
wireless connection without having to configure anything, you just power it
up.

Bob-


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless 
when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't 
find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how 
good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand 
that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that 
they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them 
in terms of specs.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Robert West]

Portability is one thing to consider.  He wants to use it as a client from
his truck to open networks.  I tried using the NS2 for the same reason but
it was a pain in the butt due to the size and the plastic pipe mount stand
offs on the rear of the NS2.  I suppose if you could make up a magnetic
mount with a short mast to put the thing on it would be better.

My wife.  Went to Mallorca Spain this past August to visit her
mother.  Wanted to take a NS2 with her so that she could pick up open
networks while there. (Mom is over 80 and has no want for internet) I say,
take a Loco instead, why ya want to lug a bulky NS2 all the way to Spain?
But no, female...  She takes a NS2.  She conceded when she returned that the
Loco was the better option.  Too bulky for taking from place to place.
(Airport security was curious about that thing, by the way)

The bonus is that she never removed the Cat5 patch cable between uses, just
wound it up and put it away.  After a couple of days it no longer worked,
she somehow caused an open in the Cat5 where it enters the plastic cover on
the NS2 from bending it at too sharp of an angle.  As a result, she spent a
month paying for internet time at cafes.  I was right for once.

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Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 7:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

Have you compared them to the NS2?  I'd be afraid to lose 6dbm and
2dbi...that's nearly 3 times the power!

On 11/5/09, Jayson Baker  wrote:
> We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2).
> They work awesome.  We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen 
wrote:
>
>> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless
>> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
>> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
>> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand
>> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like
>> that
>> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on
>> them
>> in terms of specs.
>>
>> Nick Olsen
>> Brevard Wireless
>> (321) 205-1100 x106
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Robert West]

I use them for the same reason from time to time.  The hot tip on them is if
you set the SSID to ANY, it will automatically associate with any open
wireless connection without having to configure anything, you just power it
up.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless 
when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't 
find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how 
good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand 
that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that 
they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them 
in terms of specs.

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[jason bailey]

Bullet 2hp with a 2.4 mag mount. Any other questions??:)

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--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:


From: Jerry Richardson 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
To: "n...@brevardwireless.com" , "WISPA General List" 

Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 9:35 PM


for the price you can't beat em. the full ns2 has a connector for  
external antennas. I've used the little 14db parabolics and get good  
range

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wrote:

> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open  
> wireless
> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I  
> can't
> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to  
> how
> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I  
> Understand
> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I  
> like that
> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much  
> on them
> in terms of specs.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Jayson Baker]

We tried the NS2 external connector once.  Didn't work worth a crap.
Someone said it's because the internal tracer on the board is like 6" long.
*shrug*  That was a year ago, maybe it's better now.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Jerry Richardson
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> for the price you can't beat em. the full ns2 has a connector for
> external antennas. I've used the little 14db parabolics and get good
> range
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> On Nov 5, 2009, at 3:19 PM, "Nick Olsen" 
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> > I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open
> > wireless
> > when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I
> > can't
> > find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to
> > how
> > good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I
> > Understand
> > that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I
> > like that
> > they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much
> > on them
> > in terms of specs.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Jerry Richardson]

for the price you can't beat em. the full ns2 has a connector for  
external antennas. I've used the little 14db parabolics and get good  
range

Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:

> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open  
> wireless
> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I  
> can't
> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to  
> how
> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I  
> Understand
> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I  
> like that
> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much  
> on them
> in terms of specs.
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[RickG]

I use a high powered Picostation. Works great!
http://ubnt.com/products/picostation.php
-RickG

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Nick Olsen  wrote:

> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless
> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand
> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that
> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them
> in terms of specs.
>
> Nick Olsen
> Brevard Wireless
> (321) 205-1100 x106
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Jayson Baker]

All our links are under 3mi.  Like I said, we just 18-23Mbps most of the
time, so no real need for the extra gain+power.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Have you compared them to the NS2?  I'd be afraid to lose 6dbm and
> 2dbi...that's nearly 3 times the power!
>
> On 11/5/09, Jayson Baker  wrote:
> > We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2).
> > They work awesome.  We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open
> wireless
> >> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
> >> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
> >> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I
> Understand
> >> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like
> >> that
> >> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on
> >> them
> >> in terms of specs.
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Josh Luthman]

Have you compared them to the NS2?  I'd be afraid to lose 6dbm and
2dbi...that's nearly 3 times the power!

On 11/5/09, Jayson Baker  wrote:
> We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2).
> They work awesome.  We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen  wrote:
>
>> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless
>> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
>> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
>> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand
>> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like
>> that
>> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on
>> them
>> in terms of specs.
>>
>> Nick Olsen
>> Brevard Wireless
>> (321) 205-1100 x106
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Jayson Baker]

We have a huge network deployed using these (actually, the Nano Loco 2).
They work awesome.  We regularly get 18-23Mbps through them.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Nick Olsen  wrote:

> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless
> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand
> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that
> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them
> in terms of specs.
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Josh Luthman]

What is not here

http://ubnt.com/products/loco.php

that you want to know?

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Nick Olsen  wrote:

> I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless
> when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't
> find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how
> good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand
> that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that
> they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them
> in terms of specs.
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> Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

[Nick Olsen]

And I find this 2 minutes later
http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/loco2_datasheet.pdf

sigh

Nick Olsen
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x106




From: "Nick Olsen" 
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM
To: "wireless@wispa.org" 
Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2

I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless 
when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't 
find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how 
good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand 
that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that 

they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them 

in terms of specs.

Nick Olsen
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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation 2.4 b/g

[Mike Hammett]

http://www.roc-noc.com/product.php?productid=134&cat=0&page=1

http://www.roc-noc.com/product.php?productid=181&cat=0&page=1

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Subject: [WISPA] NanoStation 2.4 b/g

> Does anyone know where I can get a couple NS2 units?  Seems no one has 
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Re: [WISPA] NanoStation 2.4 b/g

[josh]

See if MicroCom has a few - sometimes Cayman runs out a few days behind
everyone else.

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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation dish

[Michael Baird]

Just got a couple of these and did some preliminary testing. What kind 
of DB boost are you seeing with these? It did help, but I was hoping for 
more of a boost with the Nanostation2, didn't try the loco (because of 
the ack limit to 3 miles). I would have to say it was worth about 7-8 db 
at 2.4. I was hoping for 12-13 db, so that I could ditch my 
Powerstations and Grids.

Regards
Michael Baird
> Try this http://www.securalign.com , the Max Dish, @$42.00 each, in a 2
> pack.  We use them with the 5.x Nano for the mid range applications,
> 3-6miles, after that we move to other options. Just put the bottom bracket
> of the Nano against the mounting band of the Max dish.  Very large sweet
> spot for horizontal and vertical. Works with the 2.4 too.
>
> Chuck Profito
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> to Rural Central California
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> Have you seen these?
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> http://rfantennadesign.com/page35.html
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> 6-8dB sure isn't much.
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation dish

[Michael Baird]

Vertical only, hrm wonder how that works on a reflector, seems like it 
would reflect horizontal as well as vertical.

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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation dish

[Chuck Profito]

Try this http://www.securalign.com , the Max Dish, @$42.00 each, in a 2
pack.  We use them with the 5.x Nano for the mid range applications,
3-6miles, after that we move to other options. Just put the bottom bracket
of the Nano against the mounting band of the Max dish.  Very large sweet
spot for horizontal and vertical. Works with the 2.4 too.

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to Rural Central California



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Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation dish

Have you seen these?

http://rfantennadesign.com/page35.html

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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation dish

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I think they are 10db stock.  Boost that to 18 and I would say that is 
pretty good.

Brian

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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation dish

[Robert West]

I've put them in old Direct-TV dish's before to boost it a bit in a pinch,
but I think a lot of people have.   Works.



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Have you seen these?

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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[os10rules]

Thanks!

Greg
On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:00 AM, L. Aaron Kaplan wrote:

>
> On Jan 26, 2009, at 11:15 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Is anyone using the NS2 or NS5 where the AP's are a mesh network, or
>> is everyone using AP's with backhauls? I want to try a mesh network
>> with the NS2. It looks like the firmware options are open-mesh or
>> something proprietary such as http://kalpeshwireless.com/ 
>> overview.htm.
>> I've contacted Kalpesh to see if the firmware is available separately
>> and they haven't responded.
>
> The wonderful people at Funkfeuer Graz (http://funkfeuer.at) have
> ported OLSRd to the NS2 and NS5.
> It was apparently very easy to compile it with the ubiquiti supplied
> SDK. I have not done so myself yet, but I trust their judgement.
>
> Here is the howto:
> https://wiki.graz.funkfeuer.at/UbntStations
>
>
>>
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2009, at 5:01 PM, David Hulsebus wrote:
>>
>>> We have about fifty NS5's in place. No more than 10 on any AP and  
>>> all
>>> using the NS5 as the AP. The only issue I have had appears to be
>>> firmware related on the last group of 10 units we got at the end of
>>> the
>>> year. Carl at Steakwave and Mike Ford, at Ubiquiti, took care of the
>>> issue in a few minutes, with a phone call, a discussion of the
>>> issues,
>>> and a follow up e-mail from Mike.
>>>
>>> I've had one RMA direct to Ubiquiti a few months ago for an ethernet
>>> port issue.
>>>
>>> We run EWMA and normal 802 traffic, also 5MHz channel width. Nothing
>>> else special. I have a router behind the AP's so they are a bridge.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>>>> That is where you should RMA things to first. As well first place
>>>> to get technical support after checking on their forums. Ourselves
>>>> we have a dedicated support department to handle your questions.
>>>> Just have invoice number or serial number handy when calling to
>>>> speed up support questions.
>>>>
>>>> Eje Gustafsson
>>>> CTO
>>>> WISP-Router, Inc.
>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: RickG 
>>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:40:13
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RMA to Ubiquiti? Wouldnt you RMA to the distributor you purchased
>>>> it from?
>>>> -RickG
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rabbtux rabbtux
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues
>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power
>>>>>>> supply to
>>>>>>> be stable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around
>>>>>>> 18V so
>>>>>>> use caution on overpowering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __
>>>>>>> Jerry Richardson
>>>>>>> airCloud Communications
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>>>> ] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the
>>>>>>> 12VDC
>>>>>>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
&

Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[L. Aaron Kaplan]

On Jan 26, 2009, at 11:15 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote:

> Is anyone using the NS2 or NS5 where the AP's are a mesh network, or
> is everyone using AP's with backhauls? I want to try a mesh network
> with the NS2. It looks like the firmware options are open-mesh or
> something proprietary such as http://kalpeshwireless.com/overview.htm.
> I've contacted Kalpesh to see if the firmware is available separately
> and they haven't responded.

The wonderful people at Funkfeuer Graz (http://funkfeuer.at) have  
ported OLSRd to the NS2 and NS5.
It was apparently very easy to compile it with the ubiquiti supplied
SDK. I have not done so myself yet, but I trust their judgement.

Here is the howto:
https://wiki.graz.funkfeuer.at/UbntStations


>
>
> Greg
>
> On Jan 26, 2009, at 5:01 PM, David Hulsebus wrote:
>
>> We have about fifty NS5's in place. No more than 10 on any AP and all
>> using the NS5 as the AP. The only issue I have had appears to be
>> firmware related on the last group of 10 units we got at the end of
>> the
>> year. Carl at Steakwave and Mike Ford, at Ubiquiti, took care of the
>> issue in a few minutes, with a phone call, a discussion of the  
>> issues,
>> and a follow up e-mail from Mike.
>>
>> I've had one RMA direct to Ubiquiti a few months ago for an ethernet
>> port issue.
>>
>> We run EWMA and normal 802 traffic, also 5MHz channel width. Nothing
>> else special. I have a router behind the AP's so they are a bridge.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>>> That is where you should RMA things to first. As well first place
>>> to get technical support after checking on their forums. Ourselves
>>> we have a dedicated support department to handle your questions.
>>> Just have invoice number or serial number handy when calling to
>>> speed up support questions.
>>>
>>> Eje Gustafsson
>>> CTO
>>> WISP-Router, Inc.
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: RickG 
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:40:13
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> RMA to Ubiquiti? Wouldnt you RMA to the distributor you purchased
>>> it from?
>>> -RickG
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rabbtux rabbtux
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues
>>>>>> at all
>>>>>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power
>>>>>> supply to
>>>>>> be stable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around
>>>>>> 18V so
>>>>>> use caution on overpowering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __
>>>>>> Jerry Richardson
>>>>>> airCloud Communications
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>>> ] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the  
>>>>>> 12VDC
>>>>>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>>only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
>>>>>> <

Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[os10rules]

Is anyone using the NS2 or NS5 where the AP's are a mesh network, or  
is everyone using AP's with backhauls? I want to try a mesh network  
with the NS2. It looks like the firmware options are open-mesh or  
something proprietary such as http://kalpeshwireless.com/overview.htm.  
I've contacted Kalpesh to see if the firmware is available separately  
and they haven't responded.

Greg

On Jan 26, 2009, at 5:01 PM, David Hulsebus wrote:

> We have about fifty NS5's in place. No more than 10 on any AP and all
> using the NS5 as the AP. The only issue I have had appears to be
> firmware related on the last group of 10 units we got at the end of  
> the
> year. Carl at Steakwave and Mike Ford, at Ubiquiti, took care of the
> issue in a few minutes, with a phone call, a discussion of the issues,
> and a follow up e-mail from Mike.
>
> I've had one RMA direct to Ubiquiti a few months ago for an ethernet
> port issue.
>
> We run EWMA and normal 802 traffic, also 5MHz channel width. Nothing
> else special. I have a router behind the AP's so they are a bridge.
>
> Dave
>
> e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
>> That is where you should RMA things to first. As well first place  
>> to get technical support after checking on their forums. Ourselves  
>> we have a dedicated support department to handle your questions.  
>> Just have invoice number or serial number handy when calling to  
>> speed up support questions.
>>
>> Eje Gustafsson
>> CTO
>> WISP-Router, Inc.
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: RickG 
>>
>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:40:13
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>
>>
>> RMA to Ubiquiti? Wouldnt you RMA to the distributor you purchased  
>> it from?
>> -RickG
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rabbtux rabbtux  
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>>>>
>>>> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues  
>>>>> at all
>>>>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power  
>>>>> supply to
>>>>> be stable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around  
>>>>> 18V so
>>>>> use caution on overpowering.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> __
>>>>> Jerry Richardson
>>>>> airCloud Communications
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>>>> ] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
>>>>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
>>>>> you're
>>>>> only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
>>>>> <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
>>>>> mount outdoors.
>>>>>
>>>>> If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
>>>>> power supply instead of
>>>>> the included 12VDC supply.
>>>>>
>>>>> If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
>>>>> 'B' only mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many a

Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[David Hulsebus]

We have about fifty NS5's in place. No more than 10 on any AP and all 
using the NS5 as the AP. The only issue I have had appears to be 
firmware related on the last group of 10 units we got at the end of the 
year. Carl at Steakwave and Mike Ford, at Ubiquiti, took care of the 
issue in a few minutes, with a phone call, a discussion of the issues, 
and a follow up e-mail from Mike.

I've had one RMA direct to Ubiquiti a few months ago for an ethernet 
port issue.

We run EWMA and normal 802 traffic, also 5MHz channel width. Nothing 
else special. I have a router behind the AP's so they are a bridge.

Dave

e...@wisp-router.com wrote:
> That is where you should RMA things to first. As well first place to get 
> technical support after checking on their forums. Ourselves we have a 
> dedicated support department to handle your questions. Just have invoice 
> number or serial number handy when calling to speed up support questions. 
>
> Eje Gustafsson
> CTO
> WISP-Router, Inc. 
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: RickG 
>
> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:40:13 
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>
>
> RMA to Ubiquiti? Wouldnt you RMA to the distributor you purchased it from?
> -RickG
>
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rabbtux rabbtux  wrote:
>   
>> Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> 
>>> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>>>
>>> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>>   
>>>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at all
>>>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply to
>>>> be stable.
>>>>
>>>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V so
>>>> use caution on overpowering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __
>>>> Jerry Richardson
>>>> airCloud Communications
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
>>>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
>>>> you're
>>>>  only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>>>
>>>>  Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>>>
>>>>  On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
>>>> <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
>>>> mount outdoors.
>>>>
>>>>  If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
>>>> power supply instead of
>>>>  the included 12VDC supply.
>>>>
>>>>  If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
>>>> 'B' only mode.
>>>>
>>>>  Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>>>>
>>>>  Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are
>>>> still shipping with
>>>>  2.1.x.
>>>>
>>>>  All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the
>>>> NS5's.
>>>>
>>>>  Good support, via their fourm.
>>>>
>>>>  Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  We are considering using these units for 2 and 5
>>>> GHz Cpe.  What is
>>>>  your experience with ubiquiti support, failure
>>>> rates, and any
>>>>  deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our
>>>> evaluation.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks in advance,
>

Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Cameron Kilton]

They have worked well for us probably have a few dozen in the field now
both ns2 and ns5. 

I will agree with the Voltage drop over longer distances, however, I not
sure that the exact maximum voltage input is on the Nano's. I heard
24-volt anybody have anything to add to this?


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

That is where you should RMA things to first. As well first place to get
technical support after checking on their forums. Ourselves we have a
dedicated support department to handle your questions. Just have invoice
number or serial number handy when calling to speed up support
questions. 

Eje Gustafsson
CTO
WISP-Router, Inc. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: RickG 

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:40:13 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.


RMA to Ubiquiti? Wouldnt you RMA to the distributor you purchased it
from?
-RickG

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rabbtux rabbtux 
wrote:
> Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?
>
>
> On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>>
>> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at
all
>>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply
to
>>> be stable.
>>>
>>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V
so
>>> use caution on overpowering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> airCloud Communications
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
>>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
>>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>>  I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
>>> you're
>>>  only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>  Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>>
>>>  On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
>>> <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
>>> mount outdoors.
>>>
>>>  If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
>>> power supply instead of
>>>  the included 12VDC supply.
>>>
>>>  If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
>>> 'B' only mode.
>>>
>>>  Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>>>
>>>  Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are
>>> still shipping with
>>>  2.1.x.
>>>
>>>  All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the
>>> NS5's.
>>>
>>>  Good support, via their fourm.
>>>
>>>  Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these
yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  We are considering using these units for 2 and
5
>>> GHz Cpe.  What is
>>>  your experience with ubiquiti support, failure
>>> rates, and any
>>>  deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in
our
>>> evaluation.
>>>
>>>  Thanks in advance,
>>>  Marshall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>


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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[eje]

That is where you should RMA things to first. As well first place to get 
technical support after checking on their forums. Ourselves we have a dedicated 
support department to handle your questions. Just have invoice number or serial 
number handy when calling to speed up support questions. 

Eje Gustafsson
CTO
WISP-Router, Inc. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: RickG 

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:40:13 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.


RMA to Ubiquiti? Wouldnt you RMA to the distributor you purchased it from?
-RickG

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rabbtux rabbtux  wrote:
> Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?
>
>
> On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>>
>> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at all
>>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply to
>>> be stable.
>>>
>>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V so
>>> use caution on overpowering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> airCloud Communications
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
>>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>>  I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
>>> you're
>>>  only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>  Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>>
>>>  On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
>>> <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
>>> mount outdoors.
>>>
>>>  If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
>>> power supply instead of
>>>  the included 12VDC supply.
>>>
>>>  If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
>>> 'B' only mode.
>>>
>>>  Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>>>
>>>  Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are
>>> still shipping with
>>>  2.1.x.
>>>
>>>  All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the
>>> NS5's.
>>>
>>>  Good support, via their fourm.
>>>
>>>  Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  We are considering using these units for 2 and 5
>>> GHz Cpe.  What is
>>>  your experience with ubiquiti support, failure
>>> rates, and any
>>>  deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our
>>> evaluation.
>>>
>>>  Thanks in advance,
>>>  Marshall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[RickG]

RMA to Ubiquiti? Wouldnt you RMA to the distributor you purchased it from?
-RickG

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:20 AM, rabbtux rabbtux  wrote:
> Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?
>
>
> On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>>
>> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at all
>>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply to
>>> be stable.
>>>
>>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V so
>>> use caution on overpowering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> airCloud Communications
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
>>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>>  I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
>>> you're
>>>  only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>  Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>>
>>>  On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
>>> <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
>>> mount outdoors.
>>>
>>>  If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
>>> power supply instead of
>>>  the included 12VDC supply.
>>>
>>>  If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
>>> 'B' only mode.
>>>
>>>  Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>>>
>>>  Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are
>>> still shipping with
>>>  2.1.x.
>>>
>>>  All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the
>>> NS5's.
>>>
>>>  Good support, via their fourm.
>>>
>>>  Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  We are considering using these units for 2 and 5
>>> GHz Cpe.  What is
>>>  your experience with ubiquiti support, failure
>>> rates, and any
>>>  deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our
>>> evaluation.
>>>
>>>  Thanks in advance,
>>>  Marshall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Jory Privett]

Excellent  I have sent several back without any problems


Jory Privett
Partnership Broadband

- Original Message - 
From: "rabbtux rabbtux" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.


> Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?
> 
> 
> On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>>
>> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at all
>>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply to
>>> be stable.
>>>
>>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V so
>>> use caution on overpowering.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> __
>>> Jerry Richardson
>>> airCloud Communications
>>>
>>>
>>> ________
>>>
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
>>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
>>> you're
>>> only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>> 
>>> Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>> 
>>> On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
>>> <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>> Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
>>> mount outdoors.
>>> 
>>> If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
>>> power supply instead of
>>> the included 12VDC supply.
>>> 
>>> If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
>>> 'B' only mode.
>>> 
>>> Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>>> 
>>> Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are
>>> still shipping with
>>> 2.1.x.
>>> 
>>> All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the
>>> NS5's.
>>> 
>>> Good support, via their fourm.
>>> 
>>> Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>> We are considering using these units for 2 and 5
>>> GHz Cpe.  What is
>>> your experience with ubiquiti support, failure
>>> rates, and any
>>> deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our
>>> evaluation.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[rabbtux rabbtux]

Anyone ever rma a Nanostation?  Ubiquity good to work with?


On 1/25/09, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)
>
> On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
>> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at all
>> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply to
>> be stable.
>>
>> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V so
>> use caution on overpowering.
>>
>>
>>
>> __
>> Jerry Richardson
>> airCloud Communications
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Blair Davis
>> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>>
>>
>> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
>> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>>
>> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>>  I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
>> you're
>>  only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>  
>>  Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>  
>>  On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
>> <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
>>  
>>
>>  Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
>> mount outdoors.
>>  
>>  If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
>> power supply instead of
>>  the included 12VDC supply.
>>  
>>  If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
>> 'B' only mode.
>>  
>>  Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>>  
>>  Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are
>> still shipping with
>>  2.1.x.
>>  
>>  All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the
>> NS5's.
>>  
>>  Good support, via their fourm.
>>  
>>  Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>  
>>
>>  We are considering using these units for 2 and 5
>> GHz Cpe.  What is
>>  your experience with ubiquiti support, failure
>> rates, and any
>>  deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our
>> evaluation.
>>  
>>  Thanks in advance,
>>  Marshall
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>>  
>>  
>>
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Josh Luthman]

Just remember to use Eje's POE calculator first! :)

On 1/26/09, Jerry Richardson  wrote:
> Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at all
> other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply to
> be stable.
>
> Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V so
> use caution on overpowering.
>
>
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
>
>
> 
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Blair Davis
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>
>
> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
> supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>   I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
> you're
>   only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>   
>   Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>   
>   On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
> <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
>   
>
>   Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
> mount outdoors.
>   
>   If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
> power supply instead of
>   the included 12VDC supply.
>   
>   If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
> 'B' only mode.
>   
>   Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>   
>   Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are
> still shipping with
>   2.1.x.
>   
>   All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the
> NS5's.
>   
>   Good support, via their fourm.
>   
>   Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>   
>   
>   
>   rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>   
>
>   We are considering using these units for 2 and 5
> GHz Cpe.  What is
>   your experience with ubiquiti support, failure
> rates, and any
>   deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our
> evaluation.
>   
>   Thanks in advance,
>   Marshall
>   
>   
>   
>
>   
>   
>
>   
>   
>   
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Jerry Richardson]

Pretty happy with the dozen or so we have out there. No issues at all
other than one on a 350' run of cat5 that needed at 24V power supply to
be stable.
 
Forrest pulled one apart and said the power supply max is around 18V so
use caution on overpowering.
 
 
 
__ 
Jerry Richardson 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 8:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.


Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.

Josh Luthman wrote: 

I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when
you're
only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.

Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?

On 1/25/09, Blair Davis 
<mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>  wrote:
  

Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to
mount outdoors.

If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC
power supply instead of
the included 12VDC supply.

If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to
'B' only mode.

Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.

Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are
still shipping with
2.1.x.

All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the
NS5's.

Good support, via their fourm.

Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.



rabbtux rabbtux wrote:


We are considering using these units for 2 and 5
GHz Cpe.  What is
your experience with ubiquiti support, failure
rates, and any
deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our
evaluation.

Thanks in advance,
Marshall


  






  





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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Josh Luthman]

Well we know 10 to 10.5 volts aren't enough so they probably want 11
or 12 bare minimum.

On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC supply.
> Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're
>> only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>>
>> Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>>
>> On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.
>>>
>>> If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead
>>> of
>>> the included 12VDC supply.
>>>
>>> If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.
>>>
>>> Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>>>
>>> Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping
>>> with
>>> 2.1.x.
>>>
>>> All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.
>>>
>>> Good support, via their fourm.
>>>
>>> Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>>

 We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
 your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
 deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.

 Thanks in advance,
 Marshall



>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Blair Davis]

25 or so in service

rabbtux rabbtux wrote:

  Blair,
How many units have you worked with so far?


On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
  
  
Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.

If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of
the included 12VDC supply.

If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.

Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.

Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping with
2.1.x.

All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.

Good support, via their fourm.

Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.



rabbtux rabbtux wrote:


  We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.

Thanks in advance,
Marshall


  




  
  
  







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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Blair Davis]

Yes, it does.  runs over 200ft have been unreliable with the 12VDC
supply.  Needing power cycling 2-3 times a day.

Josh Luthman wrote:

  I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're
only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.

Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?

On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
  
  
Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.

If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of
the included 12VDC supply.

If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.

Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.

Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping with
2.1.x.

All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.

Good support, via their fourm.

Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.



rabbtux rabbtux wrote:


  We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.

Thanks in advance,
Marshall


  




  
  

  







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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Josh Luthman]

That link is amazing.  Thanks a bunch!

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM,  wrote:

> At 12v/0.6a you lose 1.1v over 150ft.
>
> http://www.wisp-router.com/poecalculator.php
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Luthman 
>
> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:01:59
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.
>
>
> I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're
> only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.
>
> Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?
>
> On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> > Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.
> >
> > If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead
> of
> > the included 12VDC supply.
> >
> > If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.
> >
> > Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
> >
> > Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping
> with
> > 2.1.x.
> >
> > All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.
> >
> > Good support, via their fourm.
> >
> > Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> >>
> >> We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
> >> your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
> >> deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Marshall
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[eje]

At 12v/0.6a you lose 1.1v over 150ft.
 
http://www.wisp-router.com/poecalculator.php

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman 

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:01:59 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.


I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're
only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.

Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?

On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.
>
> If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of
> the included 12VDC supply.
>
> If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.
>
> Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>
> Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping with
> 2.1.x.
>
> All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.
>
> Good support, via their fourm.
>
> Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>
>
>
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>
>> We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
>> your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
>> deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[eje]

At 12v/0.6a you lose 1.1v over 150ft.
 
http://www.wisp-router.com/poecalculator.php

/Eje
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-Original Message-
From: Josh Luthman 

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:01:59 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.


I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're
only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.

Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?

On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.
>
> If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of
> the included 12VDC supply.
>
> If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.
>
> Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>
> Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping with
> 2.1.x.
>
> All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.
>
> Good support, via their fourm.
>
> Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>
>
>
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>
>> We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
>> your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
>> deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[rabbtux rabbtux]

Blair,
How many units have you worked with so far?


On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.
>
> If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of
> the included 12VDC supply.
>
> If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.
>
> Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>
> Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping with
> 2.1.x.
>
> All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.
>
> Good support, via their fourm.
>
> Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>
>
>
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>
>> We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
>> your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
>> deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Josh Luthman]

I don't believe you'll lose voltage over a 150 ft line when you're
only pulling an amp or two, but I could be wrong.

Have you experienced something that proves me wrong?

On 1/25/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
> Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.
>
> If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply instead of
> the included 12VDC supply.
>
> If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.
>
> Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.
>
> Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping with
> 2.1.x.
>
> All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.
>
> Good support, via their fourm.
>
> Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.
>
>
>
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
>>
>> We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
>> your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
>> deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation support, tips, etc.

[Blair Davis]

Use a hose clamp, instead of the included zip ties, to mount outdoors.

If network cable is longer than 150ft, use an 18VDC power supply
instead of the included 12VDC supply.

If talking to an older  'B' only AP, set the radios to 'B' only mode.

Adaptive antenna mode is not worth using.

Make sure to update units to 3.x.x firmware.  Many are still shipping
with 2.1.x.

All this is for the NS2 units.  I've never used the NS5's.

Good support, via their fourm.

Haven't had and DOA's or needed to RMA any of these yet.



rabbtux rabbtux wrote:

  We are considering using these units for 2 and 5 GHz Cpe.  What is
your experience with ubiquiti support, failure rates, and any
deployment tips?  I sure like what we see in our evaluation.

Thanks in advance,
Marshall

  







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Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.

[rabbtux rabbtux]

Just upgraded software from 2.2.x to 3.3.1 and now all works!

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:14 AM, rabbtux rabbtux  wrote:

> all,
>
> Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to
> my limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf.  When I set up the
> NS5 as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5
> to create a remote repeater.  Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot
> solution works fine through the simple AP.   Problem:  I can not contact the
> NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet).  Is
> this normal?  Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no
> remote control.
>
> Thanks,
> Marshall
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Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.

[os10rules]

I'm getting ready to deploy a number of NS2's in WDS mode and my only  
concern is the routing protocol. It appears that the NS doesn't have  
STP or another protocol which can handle complex routing between  
multiple WDS nodes when they are all mutually associated hence  
Ubiquiti's suggestion to avoid that and have all nodes in a star  
configuration. That configuration might no work in my situation.

Is everyone running the stock firmware (AirOS) or has anyone ventured  
into using alternatives which offer more advanced routing such as dd- 
WRT or OpenWRT with Robin or olsr or ospf?

Greg

On Jan 21, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> I have a number of NS5's in WDS mode and they can be accessed from
> anyplace on the network. Are you using static or dhcp for the NS5? I
> use static.
>
> On 1/21/09, rabbtux rabbtux  wrote:
>> all,
>>
>> Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more  
>> due to my
>> limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf.  When I set up  
>> the NS5
>> as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the  
>> NS5 to
>> create a remote repeater.  Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot
>> solution works fine through the simple AP.   Problem:  I can not  
>> contact the
>> NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5  
>> ethernet).  Is
>> this normal?  Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have  
>> no
>> remote control.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marshall
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.

[rabbtux rabbtux]

Yes.  the master AP is n.n.125.x and the WDS bridged NS5 is n.n.125.100.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Alan Long  wrote:

> Do you have the ns5 in bridge mode, and have it assigned an ip address in
> the same subnet of the wds ap it is attached?
>
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>
> all,
>
> Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to
> my
> limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf.  When I set up the NS5
> as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5 to
> create a remote repeater.  Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot
> solution works fine through the simple AP.   Problem:  I can not contact
> the
> NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet).  Is
> this normal?  Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no
> remote control.
>
> Thanks,
> Marshall
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.

[Jeromie Reeves]

I have a number of NS5's in WDS mode and they can be accessed from
anyplace on the network. Are you using static or dhcp for the NS5? I
use static.

On 1/21/09, rabbtux rabbtux  wrote:
> all,
>
>  Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to my
>  limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf.  When I set up the NS5
>  as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5 to
>  create a remote repeater.  Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot
>  solution works fine through the simple AP.   Problem:  I can not contact the
>  NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet).  Is
>  this normal?  Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no
>  remote control.
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Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.

[Alan Long]

Do you have the ns5 in bridge mode, and have it assigned an ip address in
the same subnet of the wds ap it is attached? 


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all,

Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to my
limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf.  When I set up the NS5
as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5 to
create a remote repeater.  Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot
solution works fine through the simple AP.   Problem:  I can not contact the
NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet).  Is
this normal?  Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no
remote control.

Thanks,
Marshall




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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

[Brian Rohrbacher]

I currently pay $79 for the nano's and $125 for the PS2's.  Hit me
offlist if you have stock and the price.
I'd take at least 20 of each, but not interested in paying only what I
have to, even if it means waiting.

Brian

Jim Patient wrote:

  I have a few NS2 left $85 each.

Jim
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Does anyone know of any nano or powerstations in stock?

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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

[Jim Patient]

I have a few NS2 left $85 each.

Jim
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

[Tom Sharples]

Wlanparts are currently out of stock. However metrix.net has some ( I just 
bought two for testing).

Tom S.

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>I know the person who runs wlanparts.com. Great guy. Great site. Buy
> from them. :)
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>> www.wlanparts.com or www.streakwave.com are the only two places I have
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

[Charles Wyble]

I know the person who runs wlanparts.com. Great guy. Great site. Buy 
from them. :)


Matt Jenkins wrote:
> www.wlanparts.com or www.streakwave.com are the only two places I have 
> ever ordered from.
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

[Matt Jenkins]

www.wlanparts.com or www.streakwave.com are the only two places I have 
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Re: [WISPA] Nanostation

[Travis Johnson]

I have one 2.4ghz and two 5.8ghz units brand new I will sell. Contact me 
off list.

Travis
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