Hugh Todd wrote:
Scott, you said,
If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for
taking on extra headaches in making it W3C compliant (who by the way
aren't an international elected body - more of a group that have
taken liberty to makeup standards).
Who would elect such a
Scott wrote:
[quote]I dunno, personally i have set reservations on webstandards being set
and expected to be followed no questions asked. You can join and
contribute ideas to the w3c but i can't find anywhere where i can
participate in some way as to how end decisions get made? unless i am an
Lee Roberts wrote:
Scott wants to know who voted the W3C the ruling authority.
That was me! 20 years on the *net gave me that right.
Oh so you were the one? hehehehe
Seriously, though, who voted the ISO or IETF to be authoritative enough to
establish rules for people using the Internet and
Hi Group,
If anyone with a Mac has a spare sec, would you mind taking a quick look
at this site template and letting me know if there are any major
rendering probs in Mac (IE 5+ and Safari).
http://acson.go4.gotdns.com/
The sites is XHTML Transitional and has been tested in IE 5.5+, Opera 7
awww... that's a bit rough on IFRAMES (and framsets in general)...
we're building web applications, not web pages per se. We're being
influenced by various windows UI's (more than just MS Windows) because
that's the standard that people expect. We're also pushing ahead as
far as a web platform
Lee Roberts wrote:
Scott wrote:
[quote]I dunno, personally i have set reservations on webstandards being set
and expected to be followed no questions asked. You can join and
contribute ideas to the w3c but i can't find anywhere where i can
participate in some way as to how end decisions get made?
We have a position vacant for a Front End/HTML Developer in Surry Hills, NSW.
The right person for this position will be a highly organised,
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Hey there crew,
I'm putting in a tender for some government work and one of
the requirements is some successful WAI sites that I've been involved in.
I've actually not been involved in a single one and I think
this requirement is a little stringent. Has anyone out there been involved in a
On 7/8/04 12:09 AM Luke Moulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:
If anyone with a Mac has a spare sec, would you mind taking a quick look
at this site template and letting me know if there are any major
rendering probs in Mac (IE 5+ and Safari).
http://acson.go4.gotdns.com/
I don't see any
Scott,
from an accessibility perspective, I put
http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/enigma_log.htm together the other day. It
advocates the move to accessibility and standards from a humanist
perspective.
Now a more pragmatic approach -
Sound like you're looking for an ROI reward-based argument.
Luke
FYI The latest versions are:
Firefox 0.9.1
Opera 7.52
Unlike IE users, mozilla/opera users tend to upgrade to the newest
release quickly so theres no point testing old firefox releases
Also you see what your site looks like in Safari 1.2 at
http://www.danvine.com/icapture/
Hope that helps
Scott,
Yes, I'll forward that on in a bit, but is this a who you need to
know in order to participate or is it an open forum?
I have to say I think this open forum idea would be so completely
unwieldy as to completely bog down progress for ever. It takes some
time and mental application to even
Hey guys. I remember seeing this a while back, but for the life of me I
can't find it now. It's an experimental browser that supports
everything currently included in the XHTML 2.0 spec. Does anyone know
what it's called?
-Noa
*
The
Dont know if this is what you mean but the W3C's browser Amaya is the
most bleeding edge browser available
http://www.w3.org/Amaya/
The current release, Amaya 8.5, supports HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.0, XHTML
Basic, XHTML 1.1, HTTP 1.1, MathML 2.0, many CSS 2 features, and
includes SVG support
Very nice. All looks good in Safari 1.2.2 and IE5.2.
Mary
On 8 Jul 2004, at 08:09, Luke Moulton wrote:
Hi Group,
If anyone with a Mac has a spare sec, would you mind taking a quick
look
at this site template and letting me know if there are any major
rendering probs in Mac (IE 5+ and Safari).
Hi everyone..
I really hope this is not off-topic, but I came across a link on The Web
Standards Project's Recent Buzz column, as shown on
http://webstandards.org/
It goes:
Ever wished you could give your opinion directly to the IE team at
Microsoft? Here's your chance! They're making
Noa Groveman wrote:
Hey guys. I remember seeing this a while back, but for the life of me
I can't find it now. It's an experimental browser that supports
everything currently included in the XHTML 2.0 spec. Does anyone know
what it's called?
XHTML 2.0 is still in draft status. There is
Thanks Mike, Drew, Lee,
I think you'll appreciate the result.
It contains most of your suggestions.
Still working on the content though, with a long way to go.
graphic design, copy writing, peer testing, user testing, etc.
http://homepage.mac.com/backtoslack/websemantics/
once again thanks for
Blimey, Mike, very smart :o) Will look forward to the finished result.
Looking good :o)
-Original Message-
From: Mike Foskett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike
Foskett
Sent: 08 July 2004 12:09
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG]headers
Thanks Mike, Drew, Lee,
I think you'll
Nothing wrong with a length where appropriate but double length is probably
trying everyone's patience so I'll be slightly rude and top post while
trying virtuously to be brief.
It's an interesting argument you make that css was given to us to make pages
look and perform as we want them to. This
The style refers to the font size and the line-height. It reflects the
traditional printing sizing of text which was type size and leading ie
9/10pt Times.
Regards
giles
I've been looking at some sites to see how they determine their font size.
em, keyword, px, ...
So, I looked at the
Why don't you participate in one of the working groups? That would lend
your experience and possibly make things better.
Lee Roberts
-Original Message-
From: Scott Barnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 1:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:
Scott Barnes wrote:
I will say that the user of Object tag was a new one for me.. is there
any compatibility issues out there for using it that you know off?
I understand your thinking, and the whole it's the cool thing to do
but it honestly does have its advantages if used correctly. The SEO
Now why did you go and do that? Now I have to give someone else a history
lesson this week.
JavaScript was created in 1994 by the Netscape Communications Corporation.
CSS was created in 1996 and released as a specification December 17, 1996.
DHMTL was created in 1996 when CSS was released.
Well, to answer that i dare you to walk into any web-based enterprise
that has a DHTML intranet, and say the following words:
Get rid of IFRAMES, and use something else
Wear some padding, as the fall from the window could be high.
Scott Barnes
I think this demonstrates why having the Web vote
Hugh Todd wrote:
I mean, I'm sure the people in the w3c gang are really smart monkeys,
but like all clusters of people, politics could end up driving it
(whether it be some small hidden demon within who voted No on
something purely because the guy who thought it up made a bad XMAS
party joke
Giles Clark wrote:
font: 12px/19px
How is the split font size being used.
Thanks
You might be asking something else here, but:
12px/19px equates to 12px font size with a 19px line height
*
The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
That's about as brief as my answers.
[quote] The Semantic Web provides a common framework that allows data to be
shared and reused across application, enterprise, and community
boundaries.[/quote]
I'm afraid that has nothing to do with human interaction. It is simply the
sharing of information
It's the shorthand version of the various font attributes, and you can
pile several font properties into it (in the following order):
font-style
font-variant
font-weight
font-size/line-height
font-family
As usual, you can find all the CSS details at the w3 site:
Hugh Todd wrote:
Who would elect such a body? Web designers? Governments? Users? The UN?
As it is, we have the major browser manufacturers on board, the guy
who invented the web heading it up, and some of the clearest-thinking,
most far-sighted people in the web community making contributions
Brian,
Just to deny that I wrote this. The attribution belongs to Scott
Barnes, I think. My belief is that the W3C is much more accountable
than Scott seems to imagine.
-Hugh
(Brian Cummiskey wrote:
Hugh Todd wrote:
I mean, I'm sure the people in the w3c gang are really smart monkeys,
but like
Lee: - If we examine the two statements as a computer would, we find a
difference.
Your statement clearly indicates that the book and chapter titles are on
EACH page, meaning both elements. My statement clearly says the book title
is on the left page and the chapter title is on the right page;
Hugh Todd wrote:
Brian,
Just to deny that I wrote this. The attribution belongs to Scott
Barnes, I think. My belief is that the W3C is much more accountable
than Scott seems to imagine.
-Hugh
Opps- Thunderbird handels multiple quoted messages poorly. I blame it
fully for that error :)
That's about as brief as my answers.
[quote] The Semantic Web provides a common framework that allows data to be
shared and reused across application, enterprise, and community
boundaries.[/quote]
Here's the full quote Lee:
The Semantic Web provides a
While your giving a history lesson, do you know when Sun first introduced Java Server Pages. Just need to check someone in not telling fibs on their CV.
Please visit the PPA Website at:
brian cummiskey wrote:
Opps- Thunderbird handels multiple quoted messages poorly. I blame
it fully for that error :) Couldn't possibly be user error :X
That's funny. I usually find it does a better job than most.
*
The discussion list for
Let's look at the Introduction to the Semantic Web.
[quote] Facilities to put machine-understandable data on the Web are
becoming a high priority for many communities. The Web can reach its full
potential only if it becomes a place where data can be shared and processed
by automated tools as well
I
have, but they have been when working for companies, and often only a section of
a large site.
Here's
a few people who do actually work in this area, tendering for and delivering WAI
sites for Government. Try contacting them directly. I'm sure they
would be willing to help.
Sandra
-Original Message-
From: Hugh Todd
Scott, you said,
If this IS the case, what benefits are we getting as developers for
taking on extra headaches in making it W3C compliant (who by the way
aren't an international elected body - more of a group that have taken
liberty to makeup
JSP was release June 2,
1999. Anything prior to that and they misrepresent
themselves.
http://java.sun.com/features/2000/06/time-line.html
I hope that
helps.
Lee
Roberts
From: Robert O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:48 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
Hi Folks!
Could one of you please point me to a vertical menu solution based on
css/js and semantically structured by ul/li's?
I'd love to have a solution that opens a sublevel-ul when clicked on a
toplevel navigation item. It would need 4-5 sublevels...
I know this is a lot to ask for, but
Sorry I forgot to mention:
The sublevels need to be opened below the toplevel element. Something
easily done on a server-side basis, but I'd need it on a
flat-file-stupid system. Thanks again!
Best regards,
Gerd Schoder
Gerhard Schoder wrote:
Hi Folks!
Could one of you please point me to a
That's am extremely salient perspective. Data of itself is a nonsense
without reference frameworks. Data - information - knowledge. It's
transition interfaces which are vital to the user such that the interface
mechanisms are transparent.
I see the W3C as an aggregate experience born of
Are you looking for a dropdown from the top? (the submenus are vertical), check out
son of suckerfish
http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/
or are you looking for a flyout menu from the leftnav?
My mind is blank right now on flyouts.
Ted
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From:
Not sure if this meets all your requirements, but I'm loving the menu
presented in Eric Meyer's latest More Eric Meyers on CSS. I'm working
with it on a test page now. The page is constantly being fiddled with,
but you can look at the nav here: www.pcc.com/testing/client2.html.
I highly
Hi Ted!
Thanks for your hint! I found and examined suckerfish but unfortunately
it's not exactly what i need. I should have thought of sending the
structure of the (supposedly) lefthand navigation i need:
|-Top 1
|-Top 2
|--SubTop2.1
|--SubTop2.2
|-SubSubTop2.2.1
|-SubSubTop2.2.2
Gerhard Schoder wrote:
Sorry I forgot to mention:
The sublevels need to be opened below the toplevel element. Something
easily done on a server-side basis, but I'd need it on a
flat-file-stupid system. Thanks again!
Hi Folks!
Could one of you please point me to a vertical menu solution based on
Hi Brian!
Thanks alot for your link, it's almost everything I need, except for
that i would like a klick on a top nav item to toggle the visibility of
the containing sub nav items... That would be --- perfekt =)
Thanks again,
Best Regards,
Gerd
brian cummiskey wrote:
check out
take a look at the latest alistapart article:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns/
On donderdag, 8 juli 2004 21:28, Gerhard Schoder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Ted!
Thanks for your hint! I found and examined suckerfish but unfortunately
it's not exactly what i need. I should
Hello
I could use some help finding the solution to this mystery.
I'm working on a complete overhaul of our web site with css and yes the company has
completely bought into the idea (cheering finally subsides)
However, it's design by committee and I'm continually making new prototypes. With the
How we got on the subject of the Semantic web from headers I don't know.
I think we're somehow missing the entire point of the Semantic web. Even
prior to the development of RDF, OWL, XML and the like people were able to
partake and consume the information available from various sources. It
Hi,
I'd just like to try and dispel a few commonly held myths about the
processes of standards and the groups that form them at the W3C, and in
particular, the W3C WAI Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group.
I raise these issues, because it is quite understandable that many people
Geoff,
Thanks for the contribution and clarification.
Actually, I suspect most all of us embrace the efforts of W3C. I have no
gripes and I will follow the recommendations because I can have little to
offer of value.
I contribute elsewhere towards standards; I also know my limitations.
Thanks,
Geoff,
Great post.
Nope, I'm not in an ivory tower. Just an old guy. Anyone that wants to
participate can. Like Geoff pointed out you do not need to make the
teleconferences. However, if you wish to use IRC you can and save yourself
a long distance phone charge. Many people outside the USA
-Original Message-
From: Gerhard Schoder
Hi Folks!
Could one of you please point me to a vertical menu solution based on
css/js and semantically structured by ul/li's?
I'd love to have a solution that opens a sublevel-ul when clicked on a
toplevel navigation item. It would need 4-5
you may take a look on http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/aqlists/
*
The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm
for some hints on posting to the list getting help
Sometimes it is good to have people with vision to lead people where
they would not go themselves.
and sometimes the world marches past 'cos they're too slow
Lets hurry up and have CSS behavious added to the spec - it's a damn
fine idea.
the camel committee* has bandied this about for the last
Hi,
I'd like to ask others opinions about the issue of adding your own styles
for web forms. It was something I would do years ago to both enhance the
presence of web form elements, and also give them a style associated with
the design of the site.
In the last few years I have gone away from
There is a good web page that discusses the radical re-styling of form objects:
http://www.picment.com/articles/css/funwithforms/
From a pc standpoint, this form looks inviting but funky. From a Mac perspective, it
looks pretty normal.
I do find it a bit offsetting and don't think I'd use it on
Hi:
I'm new here :-)
You can also post your feature requests for the next version of IE at the
MSDN Channel9 InternetExplorerFeedback Wiki at:
http://channel9.msdn.com/wiki/default.aspx/Channel9.InternetExplorerFeatureRequests
~ Kathleen Anderson
Spider Web Woman Designs
Geoff Deering wrote:
I'd like to ask others opinions about the issue of adding your own styles
for web forms.
It's a tool I could only see myself using slightly, if at all, most of
the the, but when you need it, you want it to be there. So yes, it would
be a good tool to have in the toolbox.
At a guess I recon they're disappearing under the sub nav. If you make
the text size smaller in Firefox, one of them pops up.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ted Drake
Sent: Friday, 9 July 2004 6:12 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG]
I hadn't tried resizing. I can't find any width restrictions to keep the tab from
showing. I tried setting a width:750px just to give it the room and that didn't help.
Thanks for the help.
-Original Message-
From: Luke Moulton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:20
Check out ProjectSeven.com - various menu stuff as well as other stuff
Jim Davies
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Web is a procrastination apparatus. It can absorb as much time
as is required to ensure you won't get any work done. -- J. Nielsen
[Original Message]
From: Gerhard
-Original Message-
From: Mordechai Peller
Geoff Deering wrote:
I'd like to ask others opinions about the issue of adding your own styles
for web forms.
It's a tool I could only see myself using slightly, if at all, most of
the the, but when you need it, you want it to be there.
Hi All,
Firstly thankyou for contributing in this discussion, i know most of you
are probably feeling who is this clown, attacking W3C. This is not
infact the case, I am merely trying to get an overall understanding of
why and where bodies like the W3C will be in the future. In doing so i
have
Scott, you said,
for me as a developer to take the W3C seriously, i need at least some
sense of ownership,
Ownership is important, as you say, and this is why I support web
standards. Because it's not just one corporation deciding what to give
us. It's a process of winnowing, from developer
Good point but remember we elect people who then represent us (in theory
at least because I don't know who our current fellow at the top really
represents) and vote on particular issues/bills.
In no way do we vote on each bill. And no one is suggesting that we
would be a better democracy if each
Hi Scott,
The process is open. Join W3C, get on a working group and contribute to
you're heart's content. But you'll need to know a lot more than you do now.
No offence but I think you'll be out of your depth just getting out of the
elevator (as I would be).
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