Re: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-10 Thread Natalie Buxton
90% of Netscape 4 users are usually Government employees forced to use an outdated browser due to the fear that beaurocrats (I cant spell) have about upgrading. Don't blame the end user for the lousy browser their employer sticks them with. Educate the employers instead. On Fri, 10 Dec 2004

[WSG] IE help on vertical navbar... any ideas?

2004-12-10 Thread Steven Clark
Sorry fixed it, noticed a display: inline and changed it to display: block. Aint that the way, been looking at it for an hour or more. Don't quite understand the science behind that one though. Not having display: inline or display: block stopped the image from showing at all. Anyway today its

Re: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-10 Thread Kornel Lesinski
Don't blame the end user for the lousy browser their employer sticks them with. Educate the employers instead. Sure, if it works - don't change it. By supporting NN4 you just keep it alive and give message to bureaucrats that it is OK browser. So make it stop working. I think that employee

RE: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-10 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: Kornel Lesinski So make it stop working. I think that employee saying Boss! This doesn't work! is the best way to educate employers... Sorry, but that's rubbish. For accessibility (and, heck, good manners even) the information on your site should be navigable and usable by

Re: [WSG] Netscape 4 - let it die

2004-12-10 Thread Mordechai Peller
Kornel Lesinski wrote: Why do you let 8-year-old browser to stop you from making good pages? I agree; it's bad enough we need to cater to IE56. I look forward to when it's enough for the page to look all right in IE 6 and be functional, but not necessarily as good nor as function as it would be

[WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

2004-12-10 Thread Antonio
I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only affects IE5.0: XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu CSS: http://kalimeo.com/menu/menu.css IE5.0 screenshot : http://kalimeo.com/menu/IE5.html Any ideas? Thanks for your help... Antonio ** The

Re: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

2004-12-10 Thread Vaska . WSG
Perhaps it's the line-height in #jour? Looks like it's about 12px extra there...you might need to add that to #jour a...v On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only affects IE5.0: XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu CSS:

Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-10 Thread David Laakso
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:53:12 -, Sam Hutchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently looking into all the suggestions offered, so thanks :) Much oblidged to all list members who offered assistance. The page has now moved to: http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/steady.php It also now validates

Re: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-10 Thread Felix Miata
Sam Hutchinson wrote: ...I can take it because I value the opions of users of this list :) So do your best (/worst) *awkward grimace* Been beavering away on a new site: http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/PRE%20VALIDATION.htm Stale link. Good thing for redirect page. -still

RE: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))

2004-12-10 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Do the 'Bob-The-Office-Worker', and the 'Mary-The-Surfing-Homemaker' (or vise-versa ;) ) types really know about this stuff? Maybe not, but Bob-The-Office-Worker's Directors may have instructed the IT department to cripple the browsers on all their employees' workstations. They may also

Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-10 Thread Will Jensen
Just noticed your favicon does not show in any browser on my Mac and PC...could be my problem, but get all other icons on other sites. Your page disappeared moments ago, so cannot offer more advice. Presume you're working on it. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 10, 2004,

Re: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))

2004-12-10 Thread Paul Novitski
At 07:02 AM 12/10/04, Tom Livingston wrote: But I can't help wondering if these things, and others mentioned, are done by people who *know* about these things. In my mind, that is a small minority. Most likely only developers. Do the 'Bob-The-Office-Worker', and the 'Mary-The-Surfing-Homemaker'

RE: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

2004-12-10 Thread Pringle, Ron
Le 10 déc. 04, à 17:06, Pringle, Ron a écrit : On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only affects IE5.0: XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu CSS: http://kalimeo.com/menu/menu.css IE5.0 screenshot :

[WSG] Sydney WSG end of year get-together

2004-12-10 Thread russ - maxdesign
Well, last night's Sydney WSG end of year meeting was interesting. We had 11 people turn up, but considering it was absolutely pouring rain, the city was in total gridlock, we chose a venue that was absolutely packed AND was largely an out-door space, we did quite well. We sat around under

Re: [WSG] A standards compliant remake.

2004-12-10 Thread Paul Novitski
At 04:16 PM 12/10/04, Chris Stratford wrote: Just thought I would show off my little standards compliant remake. http://web.archive.org/web/20031219222155/www.matryoshkasandmore.com.au/index.html that was the original crappy thing. I remade it to this: www.matryoshkasandmore.com.au/ The site works

Re: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-10 Thread David Laakso
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:24:10 +1100, tristan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALA has an article http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/ that is very good. It uses an alternative method to JS and has a small bit of JS as backup (for IE i think). This will work on all browsers except IE + JS

[WSG] please trim those posts!

2004-12-10 Thread russ - maxdesign
I was going to write an explanation about trimming posts, but a quick Google found exactly what I wanted to say - and probably much better than I could say it: Trim, trim, trim. When you are replying to a post, please quote only the relevant parts of the message you are replying to. Be sure to

Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG end of year get-together

2004-12-10 Thread Amit Karmakar
a href=not_sydney title=rest of the world/aMy message of love is mostly for the Sydneysiders! Thanks for the overwhelming response last night people, hopefully there'll be another good reason to celebrate soon. Just between you, me and the gatepost a big Firefox news(NSW, Australia) is

Re: [WSG] Help, why doesn't it work...

2004-12-10 Thread russ - maxdesign
Because they are floated objects - their heights are not being recognised by their parent container, so it does not extend below them. You need to clear after them so that their container will wrap around them. More here: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/floatsample.htm Russ Please

THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-10 Thread Sam Hutchinson
Currently looking into all the suggestions offered, so thanks :) Much oblidged to all list members who offered assistance. The page has now moved to: http://www.sammyco.co.uk/acttrwebpre/steady.php It also now validates fully via W3C and is working cross browser. The **only** glitch I seem to

RE: THANKS AND HELP!? RE: [WSG] Site Critique - do your worst...

2004-12-10 Thread Sam Hutchinson
Thanks David. Altering my sizing options now, and many thanks for your feedback. RE You may(?) want to consider an alternative menu for those using a JS disabled browser... - what is evryone's opinion? I do have plain text links at the footer of the page and users will be able to get around

Re: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

2004-12-10 Thread Antonio
I deleted the line-height, but nothing changed... :-/ Antonio Le 10 déc. 04, à 14:15, Vaska.WSG a écrit : Perhaps it's the line-height in #jour? Looks like it's about 12px extra there...you might need to add that to #jour a...v On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: I can't solved a space

RE: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

2004-12-10 Thread Pringle, Ron
On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only affects IE5.0: XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu CSS: http://kalimeo.com/menu/menu.css IE5.0 screenshot : http://kalimeo.com/menu/IE5.html Any ideas? Thanks for your help...

Re: Off with your JS (was Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question))

2004-12-10 Thread Tom Livingston
Well, I'm gonna bail out on this thread before it gets ugly. On a closing note, one might hope that Bob and Mary-The-Office-Worker start complaining (or complain harder) to their Directors that they can't do their work properly and/or efficiently with NN4 (or worse) and that this promps the

Re: [WSG] Space problem in CSS menu with IE5.0

2004-12-10 Thread Antonio
Le 10 déc. 04, à 17:06, Pringle, Ron a écrit : On Dec 10, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Antonio wrote: I can't solved a space problem in a CSS menu that only affects IE5.0: XHTML: http://kalimeo.com/menu CSS: http://kalimeo.com/menu/menu.css IE5.0 screenshot : http://kalimeo.com/menu/IE5.html Any ideas?

[WSG] Help, why doesn't it work...

2004-12-10 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi Please help me with this site, I can't for the life of me work out why my background doesn't tile down in FF. Seems ok in IE.http://www.stormfront.com.au/test/pp/Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: [WSG] A standards compliant remake.

2004-12-10 Thread Jolorence Santos
I'd rather use list tag rather than tables for the navigation. Anyways, making a transition and making it complied with web standards is a job well done. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See