level element at
all!
img {
display: block
}
Kroon.Kurtis wrote:
I'm not top-posting
-Original Message-
From: Miscellaneous
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
... not be using a p tag [to] hold the logo --Adam
... A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text
On 3 Jun 2008, at 07:04, Matijs wrote:
How about:
titleThe Times/title
h1Homepage/h1
h2There's water on mars/h2
titleThe Times/title
h1Financial stuff/h1
h2Redmond stock going down further/h2
etc...
Where would one fit in a company logo? Wouldn't a background image
be best? And
My 2 pence ...
titlePage title - Site title/title
div id=brand
pimg alt=Site title ... //p
/div
div id=content
h1Page Title/h1
...
/div
div id=search
h1Search/h1
form ...
/div
div id=nav
h1Navigation/h1
ul ...
/div
2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 3 Jun
To throw another question in here, should the page title therefore be
different to the main heading of the page? I thought the content in
the page title should be as specific as possible for SEO, including
the heirarchy?
So, for example
titleSite title - Section Title - Page title/title
And
For the title you should really switch it around so that it is more specific
to the page, and will be much better for SEO purposes.
titlePage title - Section Title - Site title/title
For the Logo h1 aspect, I would personally use the gilder/levin image
replacement technique, using within this
On 3 Jun 2008, at 12:29, Paul Collins wrote:
Once you have it in the title tag, does it matter whether you have the
logo in a H1 or not? Should you have something different between the
title and main heading?
I would think that this starts to enter the realm of information that
is
I do feel this is all rather subjective and depends on what you're
building, that is until you consider SEO; which I feel flies in the
face of Web Standards
2008/6/3 Stewart Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
For the title you should really switch it around so that it is more specific
to the page,
On 3 Jun 2008, at 12:55, Darren West wrote:
I do feel this is all rather subjective and depends on what you're
building, that is until you consider SEO; which I feel flies in the
face of Web Standards
I agree that much of this stuff is, inevitably, subjective. Web
standards gives us a good
To be clear, my statement, which was quite sweeping, was meant to
express that when a site is built for computers as opposed to humans
then that to me flies in the face of Web Standards. So I agree :-)
2008/6/3 Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 3 Jun 2008, at 12:55, Darren West wrote:
I do
I said it may explain ALA's approach, but that doesn't mean I like the idea
;)
fwiw, I never use more than one H1 per document since I'm using it for site
title. imho, if H1 is used for site title it can't be used again in the
page.
I agree. Two level-1 headings seem somewhat confusing
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Jens Brueckmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I said it may explain ALA's approach, but that doesn't mean I like the idea
;)
fwiw, I never use more than one H1 per document since I'm using it for site
title. imho, if H1 is used for site title it can't be used
}
Kroon.Kurtis wrote:
I'm not top-posting
-Original Message-
From: Miscellaneous
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
... not be using a p tag [to] hold the logo --Adam
... A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is only
holding an image, then there is no need
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Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: Friday, 30 May 2008 8:58 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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I am surprised that we are even discussing this topic here.
This issue is mentioned in the last sentence of this blog post:
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix
not use an H1 - they believe that their
reputation speaks for itself.
Regards,
Mike
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:40 AM
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An h1
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An h1 is definitely not for marking up the company logo.
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:40 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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An h1 is definitely not for marking up the company logo
.
Regards,
Mike
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:37 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo
But the Webpage (or the entire site for that matter
: [WSG] Marking up company logo
But the Webpage (or the entire site for that matter) is not be
about The Sun or The Times - it's about the news. And the
news is what the user is looking for.
Stuart is talking from the perspective of SEO. It would be desirable for
a website like 'the times
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:37 AM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo
But the Webpage (or the entire site for that matter) is not be about
I'd say when it comes to news the source is very important, so imho the
publisher is key.
Imaging this:
h1The Times/h1
h2There is water on Mars/h2
or this:
h1The Sun/h1
h2There is water on Mars/h2
versus:
h1There is water on Mars/h1
--
So following the specs that a heading
On 30 May 2008, at 15:50, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I'd say when it comes to news the source is very important, so
imho the
publisher is key.
Important? Yes.
More important then the title? No.
--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 8:30 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
On 30 May 2008, at 15:50, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
I'd say when it comes
But does two H1's in a row really agree with the spec? My understanding
was that a sub-level could repeat immediately, but H1's were not
supposed to.
For example:
Okay:
H1
H2
H2
H3
H1
H2
Bad:
H1
H1
Regards,
Mike
That's a good point and it may explain the ALA's approach:
h1The
I'm not top-posting
-Original Message-
From: Miscellaneous
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
... not be using a p tag [to] hold the logo --Adam
... A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is only holding
an image, then there is no need for the surrounding p tag
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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:24 AM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo
But does two H1's in a row really agree with the spec? My understanding
] Marking up company logo
... not be using a p tag [to] hold the logo --Adam
... A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is only holding an
image, then there is no need for the surrounding p tag. --Matt
... see what www.alistapart.com is now using --Roxanne
... beginning to think [a plain
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:19 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
img is only an inline element by default. Some simple css fixes
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 3:19 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up company logo
img is only an inline element by default. Some simple css
I concur.
Having it as a p is a much better way of dealing with it rather than
having it as an image or h1.
To me its less about SEO and much more about usability. People don't really
care about your company, they're simply after the major headlines. Having a
company logo take up the majority of
On 29 May 2008, at 05:32, Jens-Uwe Korff wrote:
We used to have lots of logos in h1s too, and after a thorough SEO
discussion we changed that to a p.
Out of curiosity, is a logo img at the top of the page more
semantically correct when wrapped in a p than when it's just on it's
own (ie.
I would personally not be using a p tag too hold the logo? Why would you
want too? you can position as you want without the need for extra
markup. img src=logo.png alt=My company logo width=150px
height=300px id=logo / - that makes it pretty obvious. of course if
you only have 1 image in the
Out of curiosity, is a logo img at the top of the page more semantically
correct when wrapped in a p than when it's just on it's own (ie. not
wrapped in anything other than, say, a 'header' div)?
Easy! A p tag is supposed to hold a paragraph of text. If it is
only holding an image, then there
Adam Martin wrote:
I think if people start think UO rather than SEO then the answers to
most questions become a lot clearer - UO is a term I coined just the
other day - UO = user optimisation.
How excellent! I'm sure we can build a whole consulting industry around
that!
;-)
cheers
I intend too - as of tomorrow I am officially unemployed and working on
launching my new business www.internetconsultants.com.au (site not even
close too completion).
Mark Harris wrote:
Adam Martin wrote:
I think if people start think UO rather than SEO then the answers
to most questions
, Hobart TAS 7001
www.spiegelweb.com.au
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chris Pearce
Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2008 5:49 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Marking up company logo
Hi,
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company
] Marking up company logo
Hi,
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I
just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to
using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however
I'd be interested in seeing what other
.
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
Behalf Of *Chris Pearce
*Sent:* Wednesday, 28 May 2008 5:49 PM
*To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Subject:* [WSG] Marking up company logo
Hi,
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1.
I just wanted to get
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1.
I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to
using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct
however I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list think.
I am surprised that we are even discussing this topic here.
This issue is mentioned in the last sentence of this blog post:
http://www.flexewebs.com/semantix/?p=5
Please follow the link provided in there to W3C site which mentions what
h1 is there for.
It's almost Friday, so here goes ;)
I
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a
h1.
I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared
to using a html image tag?
I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however I'd be interested
in seeing
what other people on this list think.
An h1 is definitely not for marking up the company logo. A logo in
a banner would go in a div, div id=logo. h1 is reserved for the
semantically correct information for the main heading. Alistapart
must have it wrong. Actually, looking through their code, they do
appear to have it wrong.
Hi,
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I
just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to
using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct however
I'd be interested in seeing what other people on this list
with this.
Cheers,
Tony
-Original Message-
From: Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 17:49:21
To:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Marking up company logo
Hi,
For a few years now I’ve been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I
just
On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:49:21 +1000, Chris Pearce wrote:
For a few years now I’ve been marking up a clients company logo as a
h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do
this compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more
semantically correct however I’d be
Chris Pearce wrote:
Hi,
For a few years now I’ve been marking up a clients company logo as a
h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this
compared to using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more
semantically correct however I’d be interested in seeing what other
the semantic design can help
them avoid SEO costs.
Regards
Ian
- Original Message -
From: Chris Pearce
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: [WSG] Marking up company logo
Hi,
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients
Hi Chris,
Here's a blog post I wrote a while ago with my view:
http://www.digitaloverload.co.uk/blog/2007/11/23/more-semantic-logos/
James.
Chris Pearce wrote:
Hi,
For a few years now I’ve been marking up a clients company logo as a
h1. I just wanted to get an idea of how many people
On 5/28/08, Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For a few years now I've been marking up a clients company logo as a h1. I
just wanted to get an idea of how many people actually do this compared to
using a html image tag? I believe a h1 is more semantically correct
however I'd be interested
The H1 should be used for the most important heading, usually the name
of the page
I second that.
We used to have lots of logos in h1s too, and after a thorough SEO
discussion we changed that to a p.
The h1 now holds the page title.
Cheers,
Jens
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