Re: [WSG] CSS DIV problem, as weird as simple

2006-02-10 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day The page with the XHTML and CSS: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/example.html ... Why there's a margin with any browser excepts IE6? Because the default alignment for images in most of the other browsers is baseline. Add the following to your CSS and see if it fixes the problem:

Re: [WSG] CSS DIV problem, as weird as simple

2006-02-10 Thread Roberto Santana
Thanks Bert! that solved my problem. Bert Doorn escribi: G'day The page with the XHTML and CSS: http://www.2much4u.net/Problem/example.html ... Why there's a margin with any browser excepts IE6? Because the default alignment for images in most of the other

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-02 Thread Wendy
Pete, You've seen this, right? http://snippetz.net/ Cheers, Wendy Peter Ottery wrote: I *think* what i'm talking about it different. i'm just thinking more along the lines of a library of cut'n'paste chunks of re-usable code.. ** The

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-02 Thread John Allsopp
Pete, Joshua wrote http://webpatterns.org/ *checks it out* ok, so the term patterns is potentially a too far advanced term for what i'm thinking of. all that microformat and machine readable data stuff is certainly interesting (Allsopp - i can hear you screaming about it from here ;-)

[WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-01 Thread Peter Ottery
on the topic of css patterns and re-usable chunks of code, there's plenty of whole css page layout resources that you can use as a starting point for your own stuff right, like the 'ol classics http://glish.com/css/ or http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/ what about the insides of those

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-01 Thread Joshua Street
That web patterns thing people were bouncing around in here a month or so back? I've lost the address... if someone else doesn't post it, it's in the archives somewhere... probably something really obvious like webpatterns.org... Ah, yes, that's it. http://webpatterns.org/ On 2/2/06, Peter

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-01 Thread Peter Ottery
Joshua wrote http://webpatterns.org/ *checks it out* ok, so the term patterns is potentially a too far advanced term for what i'm thinking of. all that microformat and machine readable data stuff is certainly interesting (Allsopp - i can hear you screaming about it from here ;-) but... I

Re: [WSG] css/html snippets

2006-02-01 Thread Peter Ottery
Joshua also wrote: That web patterns thing people were bouncing around in here a month or so back? I've lost the address... if someone else doesn't post it, it's in the archives somewhere... oops. yeah ok: http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg24333.html it was a good

Re: [WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

2006-01-30 Thread leenath1
I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css background color to graphic (unless I am

Re: [WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

2006-01-30 Thread Al Sparber
From: tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings, I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css

[WSG] css flyout menu (must work in IE 5.5/ 6)?

2006-01-29 Thread tee
Greetings, I have a simple CSS vertical menu, nothing fancy, no graphic used for background. Client wants to add extra pages in one of the menu tab, I have PV II MM2 but really prefer not to use it as it requires me to change all menu tabs and turn the css background color to graphic

[WSG] CSS background problems in IE6

2006-01-20 Thread Chris Taylor
Hi, I've very nearly finished the new design of my site, available at http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/design2006/ (css at http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/design2006/styles/chocolate_and_coffee/s creen.css), however I have a problem in IE6/Win. The header background (the bit with the sunflower) is

Re: [WSG] CSS background problems in IE6

2006-01-20 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Chris Taylor wrote: Hi, I've very nearly finished the new design of my site, available at http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/design2006/ (css at http://www.stillbreathing.co.uk/design2006/styles/chocolate_and_coffee/s creen.css), however I have a problem in IE6/Win. The header background (the

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

2006-01-19 Thread David Thompson
On 16 Jan 2006, at 12:15, Svip wrote: I thought that per standard you inserted the favicon.ico file in the parent directory to the site, and thus browsers would ask for it, and get it as they requested! The HTML is just if you specific pages on a site that needs their own favicons! As far as

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

2006-01-16 Thread Svip
I thought that per standard you inserted the favicon.ico file in the parent directory to the site, and thus browsers would ask for it, and get it as they requested! The HTML is just if you specific pages on a site that needs their own favicons! signed Svip - sviip.dk On 16/01/06, Alvaro Mouriño

[WSG] CSS Icon

2006-01-15 Thread Alvaro Mouriño
Hi List, I was just wondering if it is possible to set an icon for my site with CSS (the one next to the title) Either way, how do I do it? Thanks, AlvAro ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

2006-01-15 Thread Joshua Street
favicon.ico in your website root. It's not actually anything to do with CSS... though you CAN set it in your head element with link rel=shortcut icon href=favicon.ico type=image/x-icon / On 1/16/06, Alvaro Mouriño [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, I was just wondering if it is possible to set

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

2006-01-15 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Alvaro Mouriño wrote: Hi List, I was just wondering if it is possible to set an icon for my site with CSS (the one next to the title) Either way, how do I do it? Not with CSS, this goes in your HTML. link rel=shortcut icon href=/favicon.ico http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favicon -- Lachlan

Re: [WSG] CSS Icon

2006-01-15 Thread Alvaro Mouriño
Thanks! =) AlvAro - 2006/1/16, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]: favicon.ico in your website root. It's not actually anything to do with CSS... though you CAN set it in your head element with link rel=shortcut icon href=favicon.ico type=image/x-icon / On 1/16/06, Alvaro Mouriño [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-11 Thread Jason Foss
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2006 5:02 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I am looking for some ideas on how to create a JavaScript/CSS fly-out menu

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-11 Thread Brian Cummiskey
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I am looking for some ideas on how to create a JavaScript/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come that a client finally insisted on using one! Has anyone got some ideas code samples etc.? Any help would be much appreciated. try the son of suckerfish.

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-11 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I had a look at Suckerfish Dropdowns but it seems to go only one level deep, I need several levels deep. Because of usability/accessibility issues it creates, I would not go with a CSS solution if more than one level deep is needed. Also, I would not use

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-11 Thread Al Sparber
From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I had a look at Suckerfish Dropdowns but it seems to go only one level deep, I need several levels

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-11 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Al Sparber wrote: Sometimes it can be good to hide the sub-menus. It depends on how the site is structured and one's goals. Actually, with these *big* menus (2/3 levels deep), I think it's a good idea to hide everything below the top level items from assistive devices. Thierry |

[WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-10 Thread Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
I am looking for some ideas on how to create a _javascript_/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come that a client finally insisted on using one! I need to custom write it because it needs to be integrated with a CMS.I started working on the structure (see below)I'd like to generate the

RE: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-10 Thread Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur - Pacific FoxSent: Wednesday, 11 January 2006 3:34 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] CSS or _javascript_ flyout menu I am looking for some ideas on how to create a _javascript_/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-10 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: I am looking for some ideas on how to create a JavaScript/CSS fly-out menu, the dreaded day has come that a client finally insisted on using one! ... var menu = new Object(); menu[ about_bdsrecruit ] = new Object(); Yikes! Don't generate a menu like that,

Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-10 Thread Dmitry Baranovskiy
Hi Taco,If you will do everything in _javascript_, then your menu will lost its semantic. Take a look how it is done on http://www.optuszoo.com.auThere is _javascript_ for delay, CSS for drop-downs and ulli for semantic. best regards,Dmitry

RE: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu

2006-01-10 Thread Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
! * Seamless Merchant integration -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hunt Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2006 5:02 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS or JavaScript flyout menu Taco Fleur

[WSG] CSS help with bullet removal in IE view

2006-01-07 Thread Artemis
My partner and I have a tagboard on our site and it looks greate in FF, but when you view in IE there are round bullets. Can someone help me get rid of the bullets? My partner did email the creator of the tagboard, but never heard back. Unfortunately, I cannot offer the link because it sits

Re: [WSG] CSS help with bullet removal in IE view

2006-01-07 Thread Joshua Street
list-style:none; on the UL should work well... failing that, try playing with padding: on the list. On 1/8/06, Artemis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My partner and I have a tagboard on our site and it looks greate in FF, but when you view in IE there are round bullets. Can someone help me get rid

Re: [WSG] CSS help with bullet removal in IE view

2006-01-07 Thread Artemis
Original Message From: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re:[WSG] CSS help with bullet removal in IE view Date: 1/7/2006 17:58 list-style:none; on the UL should work well... failing that, try playing with padding: on the list. Thank you

Re: [WSG] css rollover - with current page highlight?

2006-01-06 Thread Vicki Berry
Stephanie Sullivan has a good tutorial on how to do what Zachary suggested at: http://nemesis1.f2o.org/aarchive?id=9 (Especially useful if you use Dreamweaver but the principles and basic process applies regardless.) Project VII also has their Uberlink Menu tutorial which takes a

[WSG] css rollover - with current page highlight?

2006-01-05 Thread lucas
hi following the recent discussion of css image rollovers for a menu/nav list (see http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/archive.cfm?uid=6BB21CD6-F78A-DE8B-495CD895C0B6A6AB) i wonder if anyone has a suggestion for how one could add "highlight current page" functionality to this nav? my

Re: [WSG] css rollover - with current page highlight?

2006-01-05 Thread Hopkins Programming
Yeah! The best way to do this is to assign an ID tag to the body. == Example = Page1: body id=page1 a href="" class=link_Page1 a href="" class=link_Page2 /body Page2: body id=page2 a href="" class=link_Page1 a href="" class=link_Page2 /body CSS: body#page1

[WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
Hi everyone, happy after holiday, I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. The problem only happens when I have different images for link and hover, and a background image for the #menu. The problem has been there for a long time with other sites,

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Bob Schwartz
I would do a preload images on the body tag for the over state images since as it is they seem to load for the first time when you do a mouse over. bob Hi everyone, happy after holiday, I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. The problem

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Martin Heiden
tee, you need a preloader (javascript) or better use css rollovers: http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ and the flicker will disappear. regards Martin ** The

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I have a CSS rollover flickering problem that not just occurs in IE but all browsers. Two options I can think of: 1. Pre-load the hover images (using javascript) 2. Use a single background image with both states for each button and shift the background-position on hover. I prefer

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread gaertnersnet.de
Hello IMHO i think Bob has a good idea. I usually use a method called Farner image replacement,which works great in such cases. I`ve put an example below. You need two graphics, one for the normal state ( home.png ) and one for the hover state ( home-red.png). html head title/title

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Web Man Walking
Hi Why not make the background image of the li the same as the hover. That way it preloads itself? E. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 27 December 2005 09:36 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker Hi

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
Thanks all for the pointers, I am trying the sliding doors method now. For other sites, I may have to use javascript preloader as going back to recreate images for menus can be quite a hassle. tee On Dec 27, 2005, at 1:48 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote: I would do a preload images on the body tag

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
On Dec 27, 2005, at 3:03 AM, Web Man Walking wrote: Hi Why not make the background image of the li the same as the hover. That way it preloads itself? E. Hi mysterious E. Interesting approach! It seems to work and a real quick fix. I have tested on PC/Mac: Safari, FF, Netscape,

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Martin Heiden
tee, on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 at 13:03 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: Hi mysterious E. Interesting approach! It seems to work and a real quick fix. I have tested on PC/Mac: Safari, FF, Netscape, Mozilla, iE and Opera. Can you guys confirm? http://gb.lotusseeds.com/menutest_2.html

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Web Man Walking
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: 27 December 2005 12:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker On Dec 27, 2005, at 3:03 AM, Web Man Walking wrote: Hi Why not make the background image of the li the same as the hover. That way it preloads

RE: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread Web Man Walking
This one will work if the a covers 100% of the li's area, otherwise the li's background could shine through. But for this menu it's real quick and simple fix. Sorry, I neglected to mention that, I was thinking it, just not typing it. That what you get when you come into the office to find your

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread tee
On Dec 27, 2005, at 4:45 AM, Martin Heiden wrote: This one will work if the a covers 100% of the li's area, otherwise the li's background could shine through. But for this menu it's real quick and simple fix. Thanks Martin, I'll keep this in mind when fixing other sites. It looks like I

Re: [WSG] CSS Rollover Flicker

2005-12-27 Thread David Hucklesby
Hello Tee, You wrote: Thanks all for the pointers, I am trying the sliding doors method now. For other sites, I may have to use javascript preloader as going back to recreate images for menus can be quite a hassle. If that's the case, there's no need to use JS. Long ago, I had this problem

Re: [WSG] css print help

2005-12-23 Thread Greg Morphis
Hi Terrence, I'm not trying to force a user to print in Landscape (you need ScriptX ActiveX to do that on IE 6).. The regular view and then print view are different and I'm trying to get them to be the same. Trying to make them look the same when you print.. Thanks! On 12/21/05, Terrence Wood

[WSG] css print help

2005-12-20 Thread Greg Morphis
http://home.alltel.net/omen/schedule.htm Looks great until you try to print in landscape. Can someone please help me with adjusting the css so that the print preview looks the same as it does in the browser. We're on a IE standard intranet.. sucks I know.. but I appreciate your help in advance.

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-19 Thread Michael Wilson
Thomas Livingston wrote: The whole basis to my point is that in our little virtual situation, it's too late. The client saw the design. the client wants the design he saw. If you could only do it with a table, you'd say no and/or walk. Just or the record, / I / wouldn't walk; I'd do what

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven? ADMIN THREAD CLOSED

2005-12-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
ADMIN THREAD CLOSED Reasons for closing: The CSS driven thread has gone on far too long and has been dangerously close to flame-wars on several occasions. Time to move on please. Please do not reply to this post or continue this thread. If you have a comment or an issue with the closing of this

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-17 Thread Bob Schwartz
Terrence. Plus I don't want to get into the quirks of clients in this thread, I'd like to concentrate on finding a solution to a real problem that is as reliable (browser-wise) and as easy to implement as it is with a table, Sure... clients who needs them? But see the real problem is

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-17 Thread Rick Faaberg
Why do you assume I didn't? Its this type of flawed assumptions that has caused this thread to wander all over the landscape without arriving at a solution to the problem at hand. And over the last few months, the list has devolved into unending threads that serve nothing wrt web standards.

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-17 Thread Bob Schwartz
Christian, Do these table layouts go in your portfolio? Since you asked. I have my very first site in my portfolio and it is a nested table/spacer gif monster. But except for you guys, I doubt if anyone has ever done a view source on the site. Do these clients recommend you to others

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-17 Thread Terrence Wood
On 17 Dec 2005, at 9:04 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote: Do you think you are being helpful? Believe me, you're not. I think I made it pretty clear that I was having a general rant, not talking directly to you Bob. I was just using your situation as a jumping off point. On 17 Dec 2005, at 9:06 AM,

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-17 Thread Bob Schwartz
Terrence, Obviously you haven't found this thread helpful, but others have. Oddly enough I have, though the (seems to be) answer came in off list. If after doing some testing, the solution does indeed work as I need it to, I will post it for those who remember what the original question

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Bob Schwartz
No can do Bob. I showed you the solution. End of story: solution, choices made, move on :) Yes Sir. Thank you Sir. I will just fold my table and slink away. It's been a honor being in your illustrious presence. I will return when I feel more worthy . bob

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Thomas Livingston
On Dec 15, 2005, at 6:32 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: How can you be stuck without a choice? Would you not at least alert them (clients or peers) to the fact that a better solution may exist? All good points sir. What I took from your original post was this (maybe I was just off base

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Terrence Wood
On 15 Dec 2005, at 9:07 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote: For the record: I am past 1998 in my designs, but as I mentioned earlier, I don't do designs from 1998 because I want to, I have some clients who want that look. Like I said, it was not personal, and I didn't see you comment earlier - but

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Thomas Livingston
On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: My apologies, I never realised the visual design was non-negotiable. If you have the complete and total luxury of doing whatever the heck you want no matter what your clients want or ask for, then you are a lucky man indeed. - Tom

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Terrence Wood
On 17 Dec 2005, at 5:15 AM, Thomas Livingston wrote: A clients wants a design. And you want developers, etc. to tell clients 'no, you shouldn't do that because the only way to achieve that design is to use tables, and tables are bad so how about you go with a similar design but without a, b,

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Terrence Wood
On 17 Dec 2005, at 9:21 AM, Thomas Livingston wrote: If you have the complete and total luxury of doing whatever the heck you want no matter what your clients want or ask for, then you are a lucky man indeed. I work with constraints in a competitive environment just like everyone else

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Thomas Livingston
On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: No, I don't want you to tell them the technical reason's of why one design is better than another. Yes, you do. The whole basis to my point is that in our little virtual situation, it's too late. The client saw the design. the client

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/16/05, Thomas Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: My apologies, I never realised the visual design was non-negotiable. If you have the complete and total luxury of doing whatever the heck you want no matter what your clients want or

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Thomas Livingston
On Dec 16, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Christian Montoya wrote: My thinking is that if I ever had to do one of these sites, I would not put it in my portfolio. Oops. My mistake. I accidentally wandered in to the elitist teachers' lounge. I'll just get back out into the hall where I belong. Do

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Derek Featherstone
On 12/16/05, Thomas Livingston wrote: If I have to use a table now, it it _not_ going to be a horrible retro nested mess. It's to achieve something I can't achieve otherwise. Hi Tom - I don't mean this as a sarcastic question or anything. I fully admit I may have missed this if it was already

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Terrence Wood
Thomas Livingston said: On Dec 16, 2005, at 3:42 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: No, I don't want you to tell them the technical reason's of why one design is better than another. Yes, you do. Did you not read the rest of the paragraph above Tom? I thought it was quite clear, but I'll put it

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Duckworth, Nigel
The idea that table based designs look like something from 1998 is ridiculous. I've seen a lot excellent visual design which is implemented in table form (some well others not so well). On the other hand some of what passes for design on this list may be great in terms of standards and

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Terrence Wood
Nigel said: The idea that table based designs look like something from 1998 is ridiculous. Yes, it is, but fortunately no-one here made that claim. It's a figurative term, not literal. We're not talking about a specific look (like techno, goth, post-postmodern, deconstructed), rather a design

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/16/05, Duckworth, Nigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea that table based designs look like something from 1998 is ridiculous. You are generalizing what was a very specific comment. What we call a 1998 design is 2 or 3 columns, equal height, every column a different color. The key is the

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Duckworth, Nigel
Christian Montoya: What we call a 1998 design is 2 or 3 columns, equal height, every column a different color. The key is the columns being different colors. It was very typical in 1998, and looks retro now. Many of us are just tired of seeing it. Not sure of your point, though the

RE: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-16 Thread Duckworth, Nigel
Terrence said: We're not talking about a specific look (like techno, goth, post-postmodern, deconstructed), rather a design pattern: a head/3 column/foot table layout with multicolored columns Yes, I think I get that, I just disagree with the implication that table based designs are such in

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-15 Thread Bob Schwartz
Stuart, Thanks for the example, but while it displays according to my example, it's not what I'm looking for. (I guess my example assumed too much intuition as to what I was trying to obtain). Here's where your example fails (and perhaps better illustrates the problem I'm trying to

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-15 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
2005/12/15, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... If it can't be done, It can be done, and it has be done hundreds of times (in real world too): take a look at csszengarden.com, or sites featured in cssvault.com, stylegala.com, etc. I'd like to see a humble admission from the non-table people

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-15 Thread Bob Schwartz
Rimantas, Seems like you are not looking for solution, but for simple encouragament to stick with tables. Ok, if the only solution you are going to accept is table, Is there anything to gain in these discussions by you always being so polemic If you have nothing except snide remarks to

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-15 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Bob Schwartz wrote: In reality I have evidently hit upon a problem with pure CSS. The fact that it may not be a problem for those who do not have clients asking for a certian site design is irrelavent. I do and am seeking a way to satisfy them and do pure (in the spirit of this group) CSS at

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-15 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/15/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reality I have evidently hit upon a problem with pure CSS. The fact that it may not be a problem for those who do not have clients asking for a certian site design is irrelavent. I do and am seeking a way to satisfy them and do pure (in the

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-15 Thread Terrence Wood
Bob Schwartz said: Just because I've stated that if a solution (P7 javascript not withstanding) does not exist that does not involve a table, you non- table people should at least admit it. I'm not aware of 'non-table people' making a claim that CSS can solve every design problem. Was that

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-15 Thread Thomas Livingston
On Dec 15, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: encouraging your clients to look to other design solutions that don't reply on the use of tables for layout This is just completely unrealistic. First, don't submit a design that you can't build. Otherwise, if you are not the designer, and

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-15 Thread Terrence Wood
Thomas Livingston said: On Dec 15, 2005, at 4:22 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: encouraging your clients to look to other design solutions that don't reply on the use of tables for layout This is just completely unrealistic. What It's unrealistic to advise your clients? Not in my world, my

[WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Al Kendall
Can anyone please tell me how to fix the following script to get the div the stay in the center of the page in IE. It works fine in Firefox, but stay left in IE. body { margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-family: verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 22px;

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Al Kendall wrote: Can anyone please tell me how to fix the following script to get the div the stay in the center of the page in IE. It works fine in Firefox, but stay left in IE. Add this to your existing CSS: body { text-align:center } #content { text-align:left } Regards -- Bert

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Try this Al #content { padding: 10px; margin:5px auto; background-color: #fff; border: 1px solid #000; width: 70%; /* remove this because you are setting your margin to auto*/ } Regards, Ric Al Kendall wrote: Can anyone please tell me how to fix the following script to get the div the

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ben Wong
On 12/14/05, Ric Jude Raftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try this Al #content { padding: 10px; margin:5px auto; background-color: #fff; border: 1px solid #000; width: 70%; /* remove this because you are setting your margin to auto*/ } errr...then the div will fill the page...

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Apologies...you're right. Leave the width, although I would be setting it to 760px so it was effectively 100% in 800 x 600 and have margins in larger resolutions. I really don't understand why people want these margins though. I feel a site should be fluid to 100% irrespective of

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I feel a site should be fluid to 100% irrespective of resolution. While I agree with you in principle... Have you ever seen a site at 1280x1024 or higher resolution, 100% width and (as some designers seem to be keen on), microscopic (12px or smaller) text? Not easy to read.

Re: [WSG] CSS in IE Help needed.

2005-12-14 Thread Ric Jude Raftis
Yes, I have and in my humble opinion, poor design. Px heights for fonts are not recommended and will cause problems with higher resolution monitors at 96px and in future above. Recommendations are to set font sizes at percentages or ems. I set my font size to 100% in my body of the css and

Re: [WSG] CSS foul-up in IE. Trying to implement Myers pure css pop-up code

2005-12-14 Thread morten fjellman
I would just like to share the solution to my problem.div#menu a:hover {border-right:0;}I do not understand why this makes IE show the hover text, but it does so I guess I'm happy. If anyone knows why it works please let me now. Otherwise just tuck it into the IE is weird category for future

Re: [WSG] CSS foul-up in IE. Trying to implement Myers pure css pop-up code

2005-12-14 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
morten fjellman wrote: I would just like to share the solution to my problem. div#menu a:hover { border-right:0; } I do not understand why this makes IE show the hover text, but it does so I guess I'm happy. If anyone knows why it works please let me now. Otherwise just tuck it into the IE

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-14 Thread Bob Schwartz
Al, Since, my whole point has been that using a simple layout table, as opposed to a nested monstrosity, can sometimes be a good thing I'm glad you are championing my original cause, which somehow got way off course in the thread. Not only can a simple table be a good thing, it is still

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-14 Thread Stuart Homfray
Bob Schwartz wrote: I had hoped for some real solutions when I posted my original two cents, but none came. I can only conclude there are none, yet. I did think more than Rimantas would pop-up with a quick answer for your question, Bob: Which browser can correctly render the

Re: [WSG] CSS and the University Syllabus

2005-12-14 Thread Terrence Wood
Paula Petrik said: Using caption seems to pose difficulties. What difficulties does the caption pose? This is an interesting point because, in my experience, people have issues with captions *only* becuase they are used to using a heading when preparing documents in Word which doesn't have

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-14 Thread Terrence Wood
Bob Schwartz said: I had hoped for some real solutions when I posted my original two cents, but none came. I can only conclude there are none, yet. Here's an easy solution: don't create designs that look like they're from 1998 (e.g the 2-col cnet yellow stripe and it's ilk)... there are so

RE: [WSG] CSS and the University Syllabus

2005-12-14 Thread Ted Drake
I'm using a series of definition lists for my syllabus: http://www.tdrake.net/palomar/100-schedule.html Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paula Petrik Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-13 Thread Bob Schwartz
Christian, On 12/12/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not trying to center, the issue is height and more correctly height which expands to fit content of nested divs and probably even more correctly a box with columns in it which expands all columns to be equal in height to the one

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-13 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
Given a choice of one table or hacks to do what one table already does, I'll stick with the one table. Only so called hacks go to the presentation layer (CSS file) and table stays in your HTML markup. If the current specs still have height issues for divs (which it seems they do), how can we

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-13 Thread Bert Doorn
And still - table for layout _is_ a hack. I'd rather have that single, easy to spot hack, which adds very little overhead, than multiple background images and extra divs coupled with hyroglyphics in my css file. Yes, I know presentation belongs in the CSS. No, I don't subscribe to Never

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-13 Thread Bob Schwartz
There is one browser with issues, not the specs. Which browser can correctly render the following: 3 columns, no height defined and a background color different from that of the body in column 1 goes a 1000px high image in column 2 goes a 750px high image in column 3 goes a 500px high

Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?

2005-12-13 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/13/05, Bob Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is one browser with issues, not the specs. Which browser can correctly render the following: 3 columns, no height defined and a background color different from that of the body in column 1 goes a 1000px high image in column 2 goes

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