[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2012-09-16 Thread Dominic Hey
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Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2012-09-15 Thread Mathew Robertson
Part of the img vs picture discussion, has been to define what features are actually required of this element. Primarily this has come down to: a) responsive handling of bandwidth vs image-quality (aka bandwidth vs file-size) b) pixel density of display devices c) art direction [ Did I miss

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2012-09-14 Thread Dominic Hey
To paraphrase your own words.. if an img src=... is descriptive of the target image then srcset would be descriptive of the *set* of target images, no styling information there. Where I would be more inclined to agree with you would be the media attribute, however if you abstract the essence of a

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

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Re: [WSG] More on spam traps

2012-08-22 Thread Ken Robinson
Client side validation fails when scammers screen scrape your site and then directly send to your receiving script. You really need to consider using a server side validation. Ken Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: coder co...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk

Re: [WSG] More on spam traps

2012-08-22 Thread Oliver Boermans
Hi Bob, A few points: - The form submission was likely posted without JavaScript - There is no point confronting a robot with the reality of it’s existence Look into writing a filter on your email inbox or server that can eliminate such messages without your intervention. Don’t give up :) Ollie

RE: [WSG] More on spam traps

2012-08-22 Thread Mike Kear
I think its important to give the spammer no indication that you are onto them. If you give them any kind of feedback, they can use that to work a way through your maze.The filters i use (which are similar to yours on the client side, but I also use some tests on the server side, but the

Re: [WSG] More on spam traps

2012-08-22 Thread MJ Ray
Mike Kear I think its important to give the spammer no indication that you are onto them. If you give them any kind of feedback, they can use that to work a way through your maze.The filters i use (which are similar to yours on the client side, but I also use some tests on the server

Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-08-03 Thread David Hucklesby
(See below) On 8/2/12 9:50 PM, James Ducker wrote: Second that. If you can version the filenames that's definitely the most sure-fire way to make sure users don't cache old copies. James On 3 August 2012 14:39, Emmanuel Negri nna...@gmail.com mailto:nna...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes a

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2012-08-02 Thread Dominic Hey
2012 09:57:54 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way? Hi Isabel, It sounds like you might be confusing/mixing your requirements... from the limited information you have provided, this sounds like perfect candidate to generate two separate files

Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-08-02 Thread James Ducker
Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or images, go nuts.

Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-08-02 Thread Emmanuel Negri
Sometimes a random query string does not work. Changing the filename itself works 100% of the time. Eg. style-scm-revision-number.css Manu On 03/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, James Ducker james.duc...@gmail.com wrote: Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like

Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-08-02 Thread James Ducker
Second that. If you can version the filenames that's definitely the most sure-fire way to make sure users don't cache old copies. James On 3 August 2012 14:39, Emmanuel Negri nna...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes a random query string does not work. Changing the filename itself works 100% of

Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way?

2012-07-31 Thread Isabel Santos
Hi Rob, thank you, and sorry for the delayed answer. The need for xml comes from the site being a web application for an academic work. The idea is to generate xml both to the site and for exchange purposes. I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant, and would not optimise

Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way?

2012-07-31 Thread Mathew Robertson
Hi Isabel, It sounds like you might be confusing/mixing your requirements... from the limited information you have provided, this sounds like perfect candidate to generate two separate files ie: HTML already has accessibility built in, and you get the XML file contain exactly what you

Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way?

2012-07-31 Thread Rob Crowther
On 01/08/12 00:29, Isabel Santos wrote: I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant, and would not optimise the resources. Unless you serve the XHTML files with a MIME type of application/xml or application/xhtml+xml, which will break things in IE9, the browser will treat

Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way?

2012-07-30 Thread Rob Crowther
On 26/07/2012 23:41, Isabel Santos wrote: I decided to use polyglot markup, allthough it involved serving it as text-html for old trident browsers, to be able to include xml content on the site (wich I'm still learning). What XML content do you need to include? If you just stick to regular

Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way?

2012-07-28 Thread Isabel Santos
Hi Kevin, thank you for your feedback, I do recall times when this list was quite more active :) I found out I can use WAI-ARIA with html5 polyglot, without any aditional schema or doctype, I was tired the other day, and not thinking straight. The reason it wasn't validating, is because

Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way?

2012-07-27 Thread Kevin L. Erickson
I am also looking into some similar areas. Looking for replies??? Kevin Erickson 804-873-0388 On Jul 26, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Isabel Santos unboun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've been researching for a way to use aria roles and states, to enhance accessibility on a web application, but it

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-21 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-21 Thread Claire Helme
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Re: [WSG] Issues with IE

2012-07-20 Thread Naim Latifi
Hi again, Just to let you know that the issue is fixed after I did some research ;) Regards, Naim Latifi On 20 jul 2012, at 11:12, Naim Latifi naimlatif...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello friends, I really hope you are having fun in this warm summer. Through this email I want to ask for a

Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-07-20 Thread Danny Vose
Are! you again Bob, we will have people complaining about off topic again lol You can do this Bob Place the following meta tag within the head of your HTML document. When used to refresh the current page, the syntax looks like this: It should work in all browsers but dont hold me to that and

Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?

2012-07-20 Thread Rob Crowther
On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote: How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers, i.e., perform a cache bypass? And I don't mean for me - I mean for all visitors to the page? Is it possible? ?? Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the

[WSG] Out of the Office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-20 Thread Janet Jaffke
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-20 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

[WSG] Bobby is away Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-19 Thread Slobodanka Graham
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-19 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

Re: [WSG] Complex navigation - semantics tab order

2012-07-18 Thread Chad Kelly
On 7/18/2012 3:23 PM, Ben Zeller wrote: Hi all, On a current project we are debating the best way to construct our main navigation in an accessible keyboard friendly format. The navigation consists of three levels - primary, secondary, tertiary. Navigation will be arranged in a horizontal

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-18 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-17 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-16 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-16 Thread Claire Helme
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[WSG] Bobby is away Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-15 Thread Slobodanka Graham
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[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-15 Thread Kirill Kiryshin
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[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-15 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-14 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest::Abwesendheitsnotiz Michael Schröder

2012-07-13 Thread mailservice
Vielen Dank für Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich vom 16. Juli bis einschließlich 8. August 2012 im Urlaub und kann Ihre Nachricht deshalb zur Zeit nicht bearbeiten. Nach meiner Rückkehr werde ich mich umgehend um Ihr Anliegen kümmern. In dringenden Fällen wenden Sie sich bitte an meinen

[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-12 Thread Claire Helme
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[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-11 Thread Kirill Kiryshin
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[WSG] Bobby is away Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-11 Thread Slobodanka Graham
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Re: [WSG] Video not showing using iframe in Firefox

2012-07-11 Thread Frank M. Palinkas
Tested: Page loads 100% with no errors, and video renders perfect in FF 13.0.1 and in Opera 12.50, Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Senior Technical Writer Google Motorola Mobility Inc. Sunnyvale, CA Mobile: +1 650 248 5315 Web standards and accessibility tutorials:

[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-05 Thread Claire Helme
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[WSG] Bobby is away Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-04 Thread Slobodanka Graham
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[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-03 Thread Kirill Kiryshin
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[WSG] Out of the Office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-03 Thread Janet Jaffke
I am currently out of the office until July 9, If you need immediate assistance please contact Darla Ware at extension 7-5777 Best Regards, Janet Jaffke -- • Janet Jaffke Director Content Strategy and UI Illinois Institute of Technology 3300 S. Federal

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 02/07/2012 04:35, Teddy Knoy wrote: These e-mails aren't intended for me, but I keep on receiving them. Ted Knoy Dear Ted, welcome to the wonderful world of email mailing lists. You must have signed yourself up at some point?

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-02 Thread Kevin Rapley
I would go with David Dorwood’s suggestion, this seems the most logical. I would try and avoid the sup tags, as these are for superscript, which is really presentational and should be handled by CSS if this is the style that is required. On 2 July 2012 11:41, Patrick H. Lauke

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-02 Thread coder
In what way is sup more presentational than p? Bob - Original Message - From: Kevin Rapley To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Teddy Knoy Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? I would go with David Dorwood’s

RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-02 Thread Dan Freeman
) Dan From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Rapley Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Teddy Knoy Subject: Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? I would go with David Dorwood's suggestion

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-02 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 02/07/2012 13:39, Dan Freeman wrote: The sup tag is definitely not presentational. It’s good for the browser to know what is superscripted. Think about math and powers. The browser will interpret these two things totally differently: 10^4 10sup4/sup (correct) 10span4/span (browser will

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-02 Thread Rob Crowther
On 30/06/2012 07:10, tee wrote: In scholarly paper and report, we often use number (e.g.. 1, 2. 3, displays in sup) in between paragraphs when referencing others' work. What is the name of the tag used in such manner in HTML or ebook format? The microformats community lists a rel=footnote

[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-07-02 Thread Claire Helme
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Re: [WSG] HTML5 input type=date / and you

2012-07-01 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 02/07/2012 01:55, James Ducker wrote: element.valueAsDate This property is designed to solve your locale woes, and it is also an easy way to feature-detect a browser's native support for the date input type. I haven't gone through all current browsers yet, so if you do use this method, make

Re: [WSG] HTML5 input type=date / and you

2012-07-01 Thread James Ducker
The only issue I've found so far is that Safari's implementation of the date type sucks. It gives you little up/down chevrons which add or subtract one day at a time. So my working code also treats Safari as datepicker-not-implemented. For me, as I make use of the valueAsDate property when it's

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-01 Thread tee
Thanks David. I think ePub3 and HTML5 support is still not here. When converting the HTML5 doctype files to ePub, Sigil (an ePub editor) forces ePub2 version and stripped all HTML5 tags. Converting to mobil format for Amazon Kindle is even worse, I feel as if dealing with the IE6 7. Tee

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-07-01 Thread Teddy Knoy
These e-mails aren't intended for me, but I keep on receiving them. Ted Knoy On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:52 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks David. I think ePub3 and HTML5 support is still not here. When converting the HTML5 doctype files to ePub, Sigil (an ePub editor) forces ePub2

Re: [WSG] HTML5 input type=date / and you

2012-07-01 Thread Teddy Knoy
These e-mails aren't intended for me, but I keep receiving them. Ted Knoy On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:57 AM, James Ducker james.duc...@gmail.com wrote: The only issue I've found so far is that Safari's implementation of the date type sucks. It gives you little up/down chevrons which add or

RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-06-30 Thread Greg Gamble
Are you referring to a citation tag cite? Greg -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? In

RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-06-30 Thread Birendra Patel
Hi It's called sup/sup Regards Birendra -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Greg Gamble Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-06-30 Thread tee
Sort of. But I looked up from HTML5 tag, cite doesn't' seem to be the correct ones to use. Example of my text when we do it in a Word document. One model to explain political power, ...is referred to as the monolithic theory . 3 Where 3 is superscribed, and at the footnote of the given

Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?

2012-06-30 Thread David Dorward
On 30 Jun 2012, at 11:04, tee wrote: I thought maybe I can use hyperlink for monolithic instead of adding 3 (which will be directed to Appendix), but this often is not desirable because in other sections of paragraphs where citations are used, there aren't alway clear sentences to

Re: [WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS

2012-06-30 Thread Tom Livingston
Learn something new everyday. Never heard of this before! Sent from iOS 5 On Jun 30, 2012, at 12:03 AM, David Hucklesby huckle...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/29/12 11:08 AM, coder wrote: - Original Message - From: David Hucklesby Start with a simple design for mobile and old browsers.

[WSG] Bobby is away Re: WSG Digest

2012-06-30 Thread Slobodanka Graham
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Re: [WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS

2012-06-30 Thread Kevin Rapley
Firstly “Do websites need to look exactly the same in every browser?” http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/ This wasn't on my radar, but even still, there are better solutions out there to handle CSS. I looked through the little documentation that this tool gave, and I

Re: [WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS

2012-06-30 Thread Tom Livingston
For the record, I was referring to :root, not the site mentioned by the OP. Sent from iOS 5 On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Kevin Rapley ke...@digikev.co.uk wrote: Firstly “Do websites need to look exactly the same in every browser?” http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/

Re: [WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS

2012-06-29 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kevin Erickson kevinlerick...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am asking if anyone uses  http://ecsstender.org/ to write CSS cross-browser code or, if not, what are you using to write CSS cross-browser or vendor-specific code? Many thanks! Kevin I do not use this. I

Re: [WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS

2012-06-29 Thread David Hucklesby
On 6/29/12 7:20 AM, Kevin Erickson wrote: Hi, I am asking if anyone uses http://ecsstender.org/ to write CSS cross-browser code or, if not, what are you using to write CSS cross-browser or vendor-specific code? Short answer - I don't even try to make all browsers act alike. :) Start with a

Re: [WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS

2012-06-29 Thread coder
- Original Message - From: David Hucklesby huckle...@gmail.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Kevin Erickson kevinlerick...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS Start with a simple design for mobile and old browsers

[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-06-29 Thread Kirill Kiryshin
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Re: [WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS

2012-06-29 Thread David Hucklesby
On 6/29/12 11:08 AM, coder wrote: - Original Message - From: David Hucklesby Start with a simple design for mobile and old browsers. Add advanced CSS inside @media queries or qualified by :root. qualified by :root? can you give us an example here? In HTML, :root is functionally

[WSG] Out of office Re: WSG Digest

2012-06-28 Thread Claire Helme
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RE: ADMIN Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2012-06-18 Thread Chris Vickery
Sorry Lea, I get around 100 emails a day. Accessibility is in the scope of my work. AOL definitely isn't. ... and if everyone on this forum had just a little bit of chatter OT then it makes it hard to find the posts on topic. c. On 16/06/12 9:35 AM, Chris Pearce wrote: I'm sorry but how is

Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?

2012-06-15 Thread Danny Vose
Hi Bob I have had this problem several times over the years with customers wishing to have their mail redirected. The first things to check are the obvious ones (not a sop on your ability but computers make us brain dead at times!) Does his account with the hosting company have any

Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?

2012-06-15 Thread coder
- Original Message - From: Danny Vose To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems? Hi Bob I have had this problem several times over the years with customers wishing to have their mail redirected. The first things

Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?

2012-06-15 Thread Danny Vose
- Original Message - From: coder To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems? Thanks, Dan,for your comprehensive answer! I have tried everything you mention and I can't see anything wrong - it's driving me potty! I've

Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?

2012-06-15 Thread Chris Pearce
'); *Sent:* Friday, June 15, 2012 12:00 PM *Subject:* Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems? Thanks, Dan,for your comprehensive answer! I have tried everything you mention and I can't see anything wrong - it's driving me potty! I've done this several+ times over the years and not had a problem . I

ADMIN Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?

2012-06-15 Thread Lea de Groot
On 16/06/12 9:35 AM, Chris Pearce wrote: I'm sorry but how is this related to Web Standards? Its not relevant to web standards, but when the list is quiet (as the word echoes around the room) its harmless to have a little technical off-topic chatter. (but only a little) Lea -- Lea de Groot

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest (Out of office reply-Maternity leave)

2012-06-13 Thread Claire Helme
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Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2012-06-05 Thread rossstep
Russ Weakley r...@maxdesign.com.au wrote: In order to comply with Success Criterion 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks – you must provide a mechanism to “bypass blocks of content that are repeated on multiple Web pages. (Level A) One of the “sufficient techniques” recommended by the W3C for bypassing

Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2012-06-05 Thread Kevin Rapley
I agree with the consensus that less is more with the skip navigation links at the top of the document. “Skip to main content” in the majority of cases will be all you need. If you are getting to a point where by rights you need a skip link, to skip the list of skip links, as they have grown so

RE: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2012-06-05 Thread Steve Green
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] I agree with the consensus that less is more with the skip navigation links at the top of the document. Skip to main content in the majority of cases will be all you need

Re: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation

2012-06-05 Thread Russ Weakley
. Steve From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Rapley Sent: 05 June 2012 22:37 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL] I agree

RE: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation

2012-06-05 Thread Steve Green
...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley Sent: 05 June 2012 23:53 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation An interesting discussion... Back in 2006, Roger Hudson, Lisa Miller and I conducted testing on three aspects associated with screen

Re: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation

2012-06-05 Thread Russ Weakley
ooops. Reference: http://usability.com.au/resources/source-order.cfm#conclusion t appears that when visiting a web page, most, if not all, screen reader users expect at least the main site navigation to be presented before the content of the page. There appears to be little evidence to

Re: [WSG] Market share of smartphones in Australia

2012-06-04 Thread Lea de Groot
Well, I've dropped a csv file here: http://vikings.homeip.net/temp/Analytics-Devices-20120504-20120603.csv It shows mobile visit data over the last month from 2 (thus the 2 columns) moderate-volume sites that are visited by typical 'mum and dad' users. (Data from Google Analytics) Man those

Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2012-06-04 Thread Christos Petrou
Hi Luke, This is my first post so hope you find my answer useful You should consider using WAI-ARIA landmarks here are couple of link http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2010/10/using-wai-aria-landmark-roles/ http://juicystudio.com/article/examining-wai-aria-document-andmark-roles.php Regards

Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

2012-06-04 Thread Russ Weakley
In order to comply with Success Criterion 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks – you must provide a mechanism to “bypass blocks of content that are repeated on multiple Web pages. (Level A) One of the “sufficient techniques” recommended by the W3C for bypassing blocks is the use of skip links.

Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

2012-06-01 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
On 01/06/2012 21:00, Tom Livingston wrote: a definition What's most semantic and appropriate? a definition list? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader;

[WSG] Out of the Office Re: WSG Digest

2012-06-01 Thread Janet Jaffke
I am currently out of the office until June 4, If you need immediate assistance please contact Darla Ware at extension 7-5777 Best Regards, Janet Jaffke -- • Janet Jaffke Director Content Strategy and UI Illinois Institute of Technology 3300 S. Federal

Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

2012-06-01 Thread Chatura Lanthana Perera
Hi everyone, This is my first time to answer this group ? hope you all accept me as a friend. ul and li is more preferable than p because when we going to SEO ulli is for Listing purposes p for paragraphs Chatura *** List

Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

2012-06-01 Thread dj
A definition list dl is the most semantic approach. Debbie Johnson On 2012-06-01 21:00, Tom Livingston wrote: Hi listers, I have a graphic map with icons and will have a separate container for a map icon legend. This legend will consist of each different icon that appears on the map

Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

2012-06-01 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: On 01/06/2012 21:00, Tom Livingston wrote: a definition What's most semantic and appropriate? a definition list? P -- Patrick H. Lauke I was going this way but than was a little stumped with the

Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

2012-06-01 Thread dj
Tom - Your markup should work. For a detailed description, look at http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 [1] Debbie On 2012-06-01 21:28, Tom Livingston wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: On 01/06/2012 21:00, Tom

Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

2012-06-01 Thread Tom Livingston
Thanks all On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:40 PM, d...@danceofthebee.com wrote: ** Tom - Your markup should work. For a detailed description, look at http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 Debbie On 2012-06-01 21:28, Tom Livingston wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM,

Re: [WSG] What is the best element?

2012-06-01 Thread Russ Weakley
Your markup should work. For a detailed description, look at http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 HTML5 has also broadened out the use of the DL: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/ The dl element now represents an association list of name-value groups, and is no longer said

Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2012-05-29 Thread tee
...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisible AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none invisible should precede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told

Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles

2012-05-26 Thread Christos Petrou
Hi Tom if you use display none then AT like JAWS will ignore the element. Regards Christos On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or

[WSG] Re: WSG Digest

2012-05-26 Thread Justin Avery
: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: tee weblis...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:10 -0700 Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles Don't know the answer for sure

Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles

2012-05-25 Thread Tom Livingston
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisible AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none invisible should precede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to display a block of

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