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From: Mathew Robertson mathew.blair.robert...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 12:01:42 +1000
Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: WSG Digest
Part
Part of the img vs picture discussion, has been to define what features
are actually required of this element. Primarily this has come down to:
a) responsive handling of bandwidth vs image-quality (aka bandwidth vs
file-size)
b) pixel density of display devices
c) art direction
[ Did I miss
To paraphrase your own words.. if an img src=... is descriptive of the
target image then srcset would be descriptive of the *set* of target
images, no styling information there. Where I would be more inclined to
agree with you would be the media attribute, however if you abstract the
essence of a
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Client side validation fails when scammers screen scrape your site and then
directly send to your receiving script. You really need to consider using a
server side validation.
Ken
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Hi Bob,
A few points:
- The form submission was likely posted without JavaScript
- There is no point confronting a robot with the reality of it’s existence
Look into writing a filter on your email inbox or server that can
eliminate such messages without your intervention.
Don’t give up :)
Ollie
I think its important to give the spammer no indication that you are onto
them. If you give them any kind of feedback, they can use that to work a
way through your maze.The filters i use (which are similar to yours on
the client side, but I also use some tests on the server side, but the
Mike Kear
I think its important to give the spammer no indication that you are onto
them. If you give them any kind of feedback, they can use that to work a
way through your maze.The filters i use (which are similar to yours on
the client side, but I also use some tests on the server
(See below)
On 8/2/12 9:50 PM, James Ducker wrote:
Second that. If you can version the filenames that's definitely the
most sure-fire way to make sure users don't cache old copies.
James
On 3 August 2012 14:39, Emmanuel Negri nna...@gmail.com
mailto:nna...@gmail.com wrote:
Sometimes a
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Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid
way?
Hi Isabel,
It sounds like you might be confusing/mixing your requirements... from the
limited information you have provided, this sounds like perfect candidate
to generate two separate files
Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like
example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be
refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it
makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or
images, go nuts.
Sometimes a random query string does not work.
Changing the filename itself works 100% of the time.
Eg. style-scm-revision-number.css
Manu
On 03/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, James Ducker james.duc...@gmail.com wrote:
Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like
Second that. If you can version the filenames that's definitely the
most sure-fire way to make sure users don't cache old copies.
James
On 3 August 2012 14:39, Emmanuel Negri nna...@gmail.com wrote:
Sometimes a random query string does not work.
Changing the filename itself works 100% of
Hi Rob,
thank you, and sorry for the delayed answer.
The need for xml comes from the site being
a web application for an academic work.
The idea is to generate xml both to the site and for exchange purposes.
I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant,
and would not optimise
Hi Isabel,
It sounds like you might be confusing/mixing your requirements... from the
limited information you have provided, this sounds like perfect candidate
to generate two separate files ie: HTML already has accessibility built
in, and you get the XML file contain exactly what you
On 01/08/12 00:29, Isabel Santos wrote:
I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant,
and would not optimise the resources.
Unless you serve the XHTML files with a MIME type of application/xml or
application/xhtml+xml, which will break things in IE9, the browser will
treat
On 26/07/2012 23:41, Isabel Santos wrote:
I decided to use polyglot markup, allthough it involved serving it as
text-html for old trident browsers, to be able to include xml content on
the site (wich I'm still learning).
What XML content do you need to include? If you just stick to regular
Hi Kevin,
thank you for your feedback, I do recall times when this list was quite
more active :)
I found out I can use WAI-ARIA with html5 polyglot, without any aditional
schema or doctype, I was tired the other day, and not thinking straight.
The reason it wasn't validating, is because
I am also looking into some similar areas. Looking for replies???
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On Jul 26, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Isabel Santos unboun...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I've been researching for a way to use aria roles and states, to enhance
accessibility on a web application, but it
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Hi again,
Just to let you know that the issue is fixed after I did some research ;)
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Are! you again Bob, we will have people complaining about off topic again lol
You can do this Bob
Place the following meta tag within the head of your HTML document. When used
to refresh the current page, the syntax looks like this: It should work in
all browsers but dont hold me to that and
On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote:
How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers,
i.e., perform a cache bypass? And I don't mean for me - I mean for all
visitors to the page? Is it possible?
??
Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it,
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On 7/18/2012 3:23 PM, Ben Zeller wrote:
Hi all,
On a current project we are debating the best way to construct our
main navigation in an accessible keyboard friendly format.
The navigation consists of three levels - primary, secondary, tertiary.
Navigation will be arranged in a horizontal
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I would go with David Dorwood’s suggestion, this seems the most logical. I
would try and avoid the sup tags, as these are for superscript, which is
really presentational and should be handled by CSS if this is the style
that is required.
On 2 July 2012 11:41, Patrick H. Lauke
In what way is sup more presentational than p?
Bob
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Cc: Teddy Knoy
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
I would go with David Dorwood’s
)
Dan
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Subject: Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
I would go with David Dorwood's suggestion
On 02/07/2012 13:39, Dan Freeman wrote:
The sup tag is definitely not presentational. It’s good for the
browser to know what is superscripted. Think about math and powers.
The browser will interpret these two things totally differently:
10^4
10sup4/sup (correct)
10span4/span (browser will
On 30/06/2012 07:10, tee wrote:
In scholarly paper and report, we often use number (e.g.. 1, 2. 3, displays in
sup) in between paragraphs when referencing others' work. What is the name of
the tag used in such manner in HTML or ebook format?
The microformats community lists a rel=footnote
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On 02/07/2012 01:55, James Ducker wrote:
element.valueAsDate
This property is designed to solve your locale woes, and it is also an
easy way to feature-detect a browser's native support for the date input
type. I haven't gone through all current browsers yet, so if you do use
this method, make
The only issue I've found so far is that Safari's implementation of the
date type sucks. It gives you little up/down chevrons which add or subtract
one day at a time. So my working code also treats Safari as
datepicker-not-implemented.
For me, as I make use of the valueAsDate property when it's
Thanks David.
I think ePub3 and HTML5 support is still not here. When converting the HTML5
doctype files to ePub, Sigil (an ePub editor) forces ePub2 version and stripped
all HTML5 tags.
Converting to mobil format for Amazon Kindle is even worse, I feel as if
dealing with the IE6 7.
Tee
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Thanks David.
I think ePub3 and HTML5 support is still not here. When converting the
HTML5 doctype files to ePub, Sigil (an ePub editor) forces ePub2
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The only issue I've found so far is that Safari's implementation of the
date type sucks. It gives you little up/down chevrons which add or
Are you referring to a citation tag cite?
Greg
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In
Hi
It's called sup/sup
Regards
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Sort of.
But I looked up from HTML5 tag, cite doesn't' seem to be the correct ones to
use.
Example of my text when we do it in a Word document.
One model to explain political power, ...is referred to as the monolithic
theory . 3
Where 3 is superscribed, and at the footnote of the given
On 30 Jun 2012, at 11:04, tee wrote:
I thought maybe I can use hyperlink for monolithic instead of adding 3
(which will be directed to Appendix), but this often is not desirable because
in other sections of paragraphs where citations are used, there aren't alway
clear sentences to
Learn something new everyday. Never heard of this before!
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On 6/29/12 11:08 AM, coder wrote:
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Start with a simple design for mobile and old browsers.
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Firstly “Do websites need to look exactly the same in every browser?”
http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/
This wasn't on my radar, but even still, there are better solutions out
there to handle CSS. I looked through the little documentation that this
tool gave, and I
For the record, I was referring to :root, not the site mentioned by the OP.
Sent from iOS 5
On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Kevin Rapley ke...@digikev.co.uk wrote:
Firstly “Do websites need to look exactly the same in every browser?”
http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kevin Erickson
kevinlerick...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I am asking if anyone uses http://ecsstender.org/ to write CSS
cross-browser code or, if not, what are you using to write CSS cross-browser
or vendor-specific code?
Many thanks!
Kevin
I do not use this. I
On 6/29/12 7:20 AM, Kevin Erickson wrote:
Hi, I am asking if anyone uses http://ecsstender.org/ to write CSS
cross-browser code or, if not, what are you using to write CSS
cross-browser or vendor-specific code?
Short answer - I don't even try to make all browsers act alike. :)
Start with a
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Start with a simple design for mobile and old browsers
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On 6/29/12 11:08 AM, coder wrote:
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Start with a simple design for mobile and old browsers. Add advanced
CSS inside @media queries or qualified by :root.
qualified by :root? can you give us an example here?
In HTML, :root is functionally
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Sorry Lea,
I get around 100 emails a day. Accessibility is in the scope of my work. AOL
definitely isn't.
... and if everyone on this forum had just a little bit of chatter OT then it
makes it hard to find the posts on topic.
c.
On 16/06/12 9:35 AM, Chris Pearce wrote:
I'm sorry but how is
Hi Bob
I have had this problem several times over the years with customers wishing to
have their mail redirected. The first things to check are the obvious ones (not
a sop on your ability but computers make us brain dead at times!) Does his
account with the hosting company have any
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?
Hi Bob
I have had this problem several times over the years with customers wishing
to have their mail redirected. The first things
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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?
Thanks, Dan,for your comprehensive answer! I have tried everything you
mention and I can't see anything wrong - it's driving me potty! I've
');
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*Subject:* Re: [WSG] AOL mail problems?
Thanks, Dan,for your comprehensive answer! I have tried everything you
mention and I can't see anything wrong - it's driving me potty! I've done
this several+ times over the years and not had a problem . I
On 16/06/12 9:35 AM, Chris Pearce wrote:
I'm sorry but how is this related to Web Standards?
Its not relevant to web standards, but when the list is quiet (as the
word echoes around the room) its harmless to have a little technical
off-topic chatter.
(but only a little)
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In order to comply with Success Criterion 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks – you must
provide a mechanism to “bypass blocks of content that are repeated on multiple
Web pages. (Level A)
One of the “sufficient techniques” recommended by the W3C for bypassing
I agree with the consensus that less is more with the skip navigation links
at the top of the document. “Skip to main content” in the majority of cases
will be all you need. If you are getting to a point where by rights you
need a skip link, to skip the list of skip links, as they have grown so
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Subject: Re: [WSG] WCAG 2.0 compliance and best practise on the Skip to
function [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
I agree with the consensus that less is more with the skip navigation links at
the top of the document. Skip to main content in the majority of cases will
be all you need
.
Steve
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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I agree
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Sent: 05 June 2012 23:53
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Source order of content / navigation
An interesting discussion...
Back in 2006, Roger Hudson, Lisa Miller and I conducted testing on three
aspects associated with screen
ooops. Reference:
http://usability.com.au/resources/source-order.cfm#conclusion
t appears that when visiting a web page, most, if not all, screen reader
users expect at least the main site navigation to be presented before the
content of the page. There appears to be little evidence to
Well, I've dropped a csv file here:
http://vikings.homeip.net/temp/Analytics-Devices-20120504-20120603.csv
It shows mobile visit data over the last month from 2 (thus the 2
columns) moderate-volume sites that are visited by typical 'mum and dad'
users.
(Data from Google Analytics)
Man those
Hi Luke,
This is my first post so hope you find my answer useful
You should consider using WAI-ARIA landmarks
here are couple of link
http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2010/10/using-wai-aria-landmark-roles/
http://juicystudio.com/article/examining-wai-aria-document-andmark-roles.php
Regards
In order to comply with Success Criterion 2.4.1 Bypass Blocks – you must
provide a mechanism to “bypass blocks of content that are repeated on multiple
Web pages. (Level A)
One of the “sufficient techniques” recommended by the W3C for bypassing blocks
is the use of skip links.
On 01/06/2012 21:00, Tom Livingston wrote:
a definition
What's most semantic and appropriate?
a definition list?
P
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ul and li is more preferable than p
because when we going to SEO
ulli is for Listing purposes
p for paragraphs
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A definition list dl is the most semantic approach.
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On 2012-06-01 21:00, Tom Livingston wrote:
Hi listers,
I have a graphic map with icons and will have a separate container
for
a map icon legend. This legend will consist of each different
icon
that appears on the map
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote:
On 01/06/2012 21:00, Tom Livingston wrote:
a definition
What's most semantic and appropriate?
a definition list?
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I was going this way but than was a little stumped with the
Tom -
Your markup should work. For a detailed description, look at
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 [1]
Debbie
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2012-06-01 21:28, Tom Livingston wrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:10
PM, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote:
On 01/06/2012
21:00, Tom
Thanks all
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Your markup should work. For a detailed description, look at
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3
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On 2012-06-01 21:28, Tom Livingston wrote:
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM,
Your markup should work. For a detailed description, look at
http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3
HTML5 has also broadened out the use of the DL:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/
The dl element now represents an association list of name-value groups, and is
no longer said
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Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles
Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it
invisible AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none invisible
should precede ARIA elements. If a site speficically told
Hi Tom
if you use display none then AT like JAWS will ignore the element.
Regards
Christos
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:44 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or
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From: tee weblis...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:14:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [WSG] Media queries and roles
Don't know the answer for sure
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't know the answer for sure, but if you display none or make it invisible
AT would ignore it no? My logic is, display:none invisible should precede
ARIA elements. If a site speficically told the AT not to display a block of
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