On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:06:27 -0700, Devendra Shrikhande
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Till now I have been using Fireworks to create popup menus for web sites.
Just saw this, looks like there were never any replies... Devendra, if
you're still listening, Fireworks menus are actually really bad,
Hi all!
I have been fighting now for several hours with Mac IE 5.1.4 on OS X 10.1.5.
You can find the public screenshots via browserCam:
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=133206 (The first pic
shows the error)
I have used Mark Lynch CSS/List based navigation
Good Day everyone:
I have been doing the annual maintenance/update of a Holiday Home letting
site I've had for a few years, so this year I attempted to convert it all to
standards. It is now XHTML1 /CSS and most of it validates. (I say most
because there is a bit of Flash and some of it uses
Thanks Iva,
well with xlink not honored aswell
seems like a bad idea doing XML+CSS directly anyway...
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white-space pre
Hi, Bob
There's so many ways to argue and defend the pros of doing XHTML and
CSS layout! First, it reduces bandwidth, it saves time (and therefore money ;-)
in maintenance and updating, it is flexible and reusable.
Take a look at
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:57:46 -, designer
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I can appreciate that I am getting a 'quality' product, but from a
practical point of view, what am I getting that improves my business? As
far as visitors to my site are concerned there seems to be no advantage -
after all,
Here is some comments she might like ;)
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000266.php
http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/benefits/
Kind Regards
Jacobus van Niekerk
Creative Consultant
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Kay Smoljak wrote:
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:57:46 -, designer
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I can appreciate that I am getting a 'quality' product, but from a
practical point of view, what am I getting that improves my business? As
far as visitors to my site are concerned there seems to be no
Try it - watch their eyes glaze as you show how the
competitors' sites don't validate.
Of course if you talk them about it in terms of standards and
validation and doctypes they are going to get bored and stop
listening. The overall language and structure of Russ's article is not
appropriate
Title: Quick h1,h2 etc question
Hi,
I'm sure this has been asked time and time again and is probably a daft question, but which is the proper way to use header tags? Thanks in advance for your patience and help!
Jamie
Is it...
=
1) All headers must be used in order
They shouldn't have to care about standards. They shouldn't have to know
about standards. Their time is too short, they're too busy running their
business.
Just build a standards-compliant site as something you do as a matter of
course. I don't see any reason not to do that. We have no more
I can't see any problems with your second example in theory - but it's
an impossible question to answer without content. Remember that
(X)HTML elements are supposed to describe or explain (for want of
better words) the content that they are marking up.
So there aren't any rules as to how header
Jamie Mason wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure this has been asked time and time again and is probably a
daft question, but which is the proper way to use header tags? Thanks
in advance for your patience and help!
Depends on what you want to optimize.
Tonico
G'day
Think of the headings as a collapsible outline, with sections and
sub-sections, each with a heading of the *appropriate* level.
Collapse it (as one can do in Word for instance) and you should
see an outline made up of headings that makes sense. Each h2
belongs to a sub-section of the
Have to remember that search engines will read the contents of header tags so i think best way is for heading text, titles etc. For list headings i think it would be easier to using a seperate style.
The second option i think is the better way to go though, just for organization and nice and
Hi All,
Everyone has had something sensible to say, but it's interesting to play
Devil's advocate with Mark's list:
- Speed Development
Hey - she'll be expecting me to reduce my prices next year! :-)
- Simplify Maintenance, Increase Opportunity
Ditto!
- Open Up Access Options
OK
-
Anybody else notice that MSN.com now uses CSS? Can't say I'm impressed
with the design, but with the money that Microsoft is investing to try
and compete with Google, the new MSN search (and MSN.com) is going to
get some serious attention. Like Yahoo's redesign, MSN's will continue
to show
Hi Darren,
In addition to what was said by other guys, a few general comments:
(1) Home and Products links in the right menu point to the same
page. I think it is confusing.
(2) Cursor shape should change when hovered over the link to the
current page to create appearance that it is not
I just found Doug Bowman's well-written blog entry about it.
http://tinyurl.com/5xyey
~john
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Dr. Zeus Web Development
http://www.DrZeus.net
content without clutter
on 2/1/2005 12:49 PM john said the following:
Anybody else notice that MSN.com now uses CSS? Can't say I'm
Hey Bob
Hey - she'll be expecting me to reduce my prices next year! :-)
Yeah well these two ways to approach it - give her more for less
because of the efficiency gains hope you benefit in terms of greater
customer respect/loyalty or stuff around doing things the hard way so
you can spend
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:44:21 -, designer
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- Reduce Bandwidth Costs
Not relevant - small site, with folk increasingly being on a high speed
line. Here in UK (where it's called Broadband) the user pays a standard
fee, no matter how much/how long he/she uses it.
Great, glad to see Microsoft getting out the closet and embracing web
standards! Now lets hope they upgrade all the other MS sites. If so, I'll
start to believe in MS again, as a forward thinking company, that works with
us and not against.
Kind Regards
Jacobus van Niekerk
Creative Consultant
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:11:57 -, Jamie Mason wrote:
2) With the exception
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Nice of them to continue support for Mac IE.
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I like it, but it leaves room to improve. They are a large company
and even I can do better than that. It is nice to see that they are
using standards though, not enough sites do that.
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 13:31:30 -, Mike Foskett
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sarcasm
Nice of them to continue
I don't like putting Skip to main content or Skip to navigation link,
because they can be seen in search results.
I thought about replacing it with or something that won't contain
keywords and won't go in the way in search results, but that probably is a
killer for screen readers.
Do you know
Kornel Lesinski wrote:
I don't like putting Skip to main content or Skip to navigation link,
because they can be seen in search results.
I thought about replacing it with or something that won't contain
keywords and won't go in the way in search results, but that probably
is a killer for screen
I dont bother with them either Kornel.
I know they seem to be the best option for screenreaders.
although I have found it is and would be best to simply keep your
navigation short and quick.
That of course depends on the type of website.
But is it really necessary to have a million links in the
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http://www.kaosweaver.com/extensions/details.php?id=76
Hi I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this extension
and whether it is fully accessible etc as it looks like it could be
quite a time saver.
Hi Helen,
I'm biased on this, but I'd like to point out
Title: Quick h1,h2 etc question
Hi,
I'm sure this has been asked time and time again and is probably a daft question, but which is the proper way to use header tags? Thanks in advance for your patience and help!
Jamie
Is it...
=
1) All headers must be used in order
Hello,
Not sure if this is off topic or not, but let me know if it is.
I'm wondering what the suggested default state of a group of radio
buttons is? Let me use a current, specific example.
In a form I'm writing I have one set of radio buttons. The current
options are 'Home', or 'Agency'. The
I think it's the good old checked=checked attribute that you add in your
default radio button's code.
HTH
Iain
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Oops, sorry I didn't really read your question thoroughly. Surely an e-mail
address will be either a personal or a business address. Personally I'd set
the default to personal as this seems to me the most likely option.
Iain
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But at least it looks like they were. It is better than that crowded
horrible page that they used to have.
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:55:56 +0100, Raffaella Biscuso
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Anthony Timberlake Scrive:
I like it, but it leaves room to improve. They are a large company
and
Iain Gardiner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:04 PM said:
Oops, sorry I didn't really read your question thoroughly. Surely an
e-mail address will be either a personal or a business address.
Personally I'd set the default to personal as this seems to me the
Actually, it's kind of ironic that they would even consider trying to use
standards when those very standards are so poorly executed on their own
product(s). Maybe there's hope...I just won't hold my breath. I'm sure after
this experience, they'll add a few of their own new standards buried deep
I think this is like FAQs - my FAQ is never there. Likewise, pre-set a control
to option A and I'm equally likely to want option B.
IMHO pre-setting options for the user (unless they're VERY obvious) is like
making assumptions about them.
That said, RFC1866 says 'CHECKED' is optional but then
Hi All,
I was surprised to find a local government web site (English) using
standards and accessibility:
http://www.oldham.gov.uk/
It doesn't quite validate, but it's a determined start!
Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
With radio buttons, no value is passed to the form's action page unless one
of the options is selected. This will normally cause an error in
the processing page unless special consideration is given to this
possibility.Normally if there are radio buttons on the form, it is
best to ensure that at
Or pass hidden parameters onto the action page ... these
then can be over ridden if the radio is selected
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Good Day All,
I'm developing a new site and was wondering if you guys could take a
look at the initial layout. It's a bit more complicated than I tend to
do with xhtml/css and I'm wondering how it's holding up so far.
I welcome any feedback.
Thanks!
Mani Sheriar
Sheriar Designs |
Lol, I'm tired. Sorry guys!!
Here it is ... http://www.manisheriar.com/queenbee
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Hi There,
Just use a background image for the nav border. I made one that was
760x20 with no repeat, but it could even be 1x1 and repeat y. Just
position it at the bottom.
You can look at the page here:
http://www.manisheriar.com/wsg/borderOrder/
Here's the code:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC
IIRC though, while RFC 1866 says exactly one the checked attribute
is optional in W3C guidelines.
HTML 4.01 (and thus also the XHTML 1 series) state:
[http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#radio]
If no radio button in a set sharing the same control name is
initially on, user agent
Hi,
I was even more surprised to find an entire Australian government
department website not only uses an effective table-free design, not
only has a website which is at least partially accessible, not only
does it collapse well when styling is removed, it is also XHTML 1.0
conformant!
Michael Cordover mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 2:51 PM said:
IIRC though, while RFC 1866 says exactly one the checked attribute
is optional in W3C guidelines.
[snip]
I guess I'm saying that I'd consider this a moot point - check
whichever you'd like and the user
There are reasons why you might not want to select a 'default' on radio
buttons. It can distort your data.For example, if you have
option 1 checked as the default, and a user forgets to choose one of
the options, they're selecting option 1 anyway. This may be erroneous
data. (Or it may not matter
Hey Mani,
Looks nice, good balance and the colours mix nicely.
I think the one thing that looks a bit odd is the space for text between the advert on the right and the middle section. The text seems quite squashed but i guess it all depends on whats being placed there.
Good work
-Karl
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 17:24:35 -, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For example in a survey, if you indicate any default answers, you are
automatically slanting the results, and if someone doesnt make a choice
to a question, they wont get a warning popup, instead they will have a
selection
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Ahem... http://www.salford.gov.uk http://www.salford.gov.uk :)
All UK local government sites have a requirement to be AA rated for
accessibility, so expect to see a lot more of them in the near future.
Antony
Antony Golding
Principal e-Government Services Officer
I'm a bit baffled by this question -- in a way it's not about CSS or
HTML or standards at all.
If you want to get good data from your form, and you have two radio
buttons, then neither should be checked by default. Your CGI script
or whatever should do the checking and return the form with you
Perhaps, Kornel, but in that case how to you tell the difference between
responses where people preferred not to say/didn't know (i.e. an answer to
the question), and where people didn't answer the question or didnt notice
it?There are cases where a default is a bad thing, and you need to
be able
John,
If you want to get good data from your form, and you have two radio
buttons, then neither should be checked by default. Your CGI script or
whatever should do the checking and return the form with you must
select a button to proceed.
the difference between a radio button set and checkboxes
At 11:36 AM +1100 2/2/05, John Allsopp wrote:
John,
the difference between a radio button set and checkboxes is (going
way back to Mac UI guidelines in the 80s) is that a radio button
group always has a value
[snip -- I did know the difference between checkboxes and radio buttons!]
If you're
Some searching revealed these:
http://www.htmlref.com/reference/appb/css_unicode-bidi.htm states
support is:
CSS2
IE 5, 5.5, 6
Nav 6, 7
No Opera support
http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/intl/unibidi.htm
http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/intl/direction.htm
John,
[snip -- I did know the difference between checkboxes and radio
buttons!]
I was almost certain you did :-)
If you're saying that a set of radio two or more buttons must always
be shown with at least one pre-selected, i.e. as soon as the page
loads, one is already selected, then there are
Apologies for being so late on this (been rather busy at work). The
double-space after a full-stop (period) thing is simply a notational
convention that sprang out of the typing pools of the 1950s. It has nothing
to do at all with grammar, and is in fact actively discouraged as practise
in the
Hi
I'd appreciate it if anyone on the list who has worked with leading
accessibility/usability companies in Sydney/NSW could email me contact
details for these companies off-list
thanks
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I hesitantly suggest a good place for this discussion would be on Justin
French's Interface list.
http://lists.indent.com.au/mailman/listinfo/interface
Cheers
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Hi group :)
The proposed presentation for the February meeting is some of the
technical aspects of CSS a title invented by the good people at WSG
to account for my slackness ;)
The presentation I will be giving is Site in an Hour Studying the
workflow of CSS development. I will be presenting
Well I got involved in it because (i thought) someone said at the beginning
of this thread that it was only valid markup if a set of radio buttons had
one and only one 'checked' item.My point was that regardless of the
validity of the code, it is sometimes invalid communications/user interface
to
That's the relevance to standards - i.e. that if it's only standard
if there is a default radio button and never valid if none of them
are 'checked' then the standard is wrong and ought to be changed.
I heartily agree, Mike.
hey all,
Thanks for the help, everyone! I'm now slowly ironing out the issues. :)
Cheers
Darren
Darren Wood wrote:
I've recently designed (and partially built) an online store. Its in its
'soft launch' phase as there are some issues with IE.
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