Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Gaspar
But all this examples doesnt still force the users to open a new window!?! So i not use target=blank, it's the somethink, or i have turn off javascript to be forced to open in a new Window!? I many times think in this, and think in a way of using a class= or rel= to a , this activate a

Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Diego La Monica
Hi, Gaspar: But all this examples doesnt still force the users to open a new window!?! Not all, WindowedLinks doesn't force user, but let the user to choose by a common function on the page. So i not use target=blank, it's the somethink, or i have turn off javascript to be forced to open

[WSG] margin problem in Firefox

2007-07-19 Thread Tee G. Peng
Hi, I don't seem able to solve this very simple position problem for the comment area. First I wasn't sure whether I should use OL or UL or P or DT for the comment (my first question), after looking at some blogs I decided to go with OL (with a question mark hanging in my head),

Re: [WSG] My Website

2007-07-19 Thread Tee G . Peng
On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: Hi. check out my website at the bottom of this message. cheers Marvin. Check out my home page at http://startrekcafe.bravehost.com Hi Marvin, I am a Star Trek fan. :) Is there anything particular you would like us to look at? I understand

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Joyce Evans
I always thought it was a good idea to open links to other websites in a separate window, so you don't lose the visitor. If the visitor clicks on a link on your website and it does not open into a separate window, the visitor may stay in the other website for awhile, going to, say, 20 different

Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Diego La Monica
Hi Joyce Evans: I always thought it was a good idea to open links to other websites in a separate window, so you don't lose the visitor. If the visitor clicks on a link on your website and it does not open into a separate window, the visitor may stay in the other website for awhile, going to,

Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Dave Lane
My suggestion is simple: let it be the content and presentation that keeps people on your site, not gimmickry. Most smart web surfers use Firefox or Opera or a lesser browser that is nonetheless tabbed. If I want to stay on a page, I open links from that page in new background tabs while I

Re: [WSG] My Website

2007-07-19 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi Marvin, On your pages at http://startrekcafe.bravehost.com there is a problem, from a usability/accessibility viewpoint, with the hover background colour on your standard links, i.e. across the top (Sbar) and bottom (footer). The hover background in styles.css is mid-green. This is fine for

Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread paul tutty
I think adding a css class that displays an icon that quite obviously denotes that the link will open a new window has been banded around for awhile now. I know that I have used it in the past, but must admit on this particular subject to, depending on the project's needs, use transitional

RE: [WSG] margin problem in Firefox

2007-07-19 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Hi Tee, The indentation appears to be coming from #comments li { margin-left:96px; } Not #comments li.msg_left as you assumed. Adding a margin-left: 5px; to your #comments li.poster and #comments li.myresponse definitions will fix the problem: #comments li.poster {

[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest

2007-07-19 Thread Cook, Karen
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Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Dave Lane wrote: I find it oh-so-frustrating to have a site designer decide how my browsing should work, breaking web conventions Opening new windows *is* a web convention, of long standing, your lack of approval notwithstanding. :-) ... if it insists on opening a new window, it pisses me

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Philip Kiff
Joyce Evans wrote: I always thought it was a good idea to open links to other websites in a separate window, so you don't lose the visitor. [...] I think that the weight of public opinion has been steadily turning against this view over the past 10 years or so. I would be interested in knowing

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Philip Kiff
Hassan Schroeder wrote: I've done usability tests where users *preferred* off-site links to open in another window. I find that surprising. I am sure you are right, however, that it is all about context. Certainly if you sat down in a room full of 20- to 25-year-olds today you would not find

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Joyce Evans
I'm all about web conventions. I didn't realize having a blank target didn't follow web standards. Is that documented somewhere? Joyce Evans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Lane Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 4:45 PM To:

Re: [WSG] margin problem in Firefox

2007-07-19 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Jul 19, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Kepler Gelotte wrote: Not #comments li.msg_left as you assumed. Adding a margin-left: 5px; to your #comments li.poster and #comments li.myresponse definitions will fix the problem: Hi Kepler, Thanks for the suggestion. It doesn't quite work though as it

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Michael Yeaney
-Original Message- Since W3C doesn't allow the target attribute in XHTML Strict, which do you think is better? Having the window opening up with JavaScript or just keeping the page in the same window like W3C wants. I assume the reason for not allowing the target attribute is

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Leaving aside that the user wouldn't need to click the back button 20 times to return to your site, as you suggest. Presuming you do not link to your competitors, I would think you provide external links to things which are not present on your site. If users are looking for something not on your

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Joyce Evans
Oops. My response was posted after Philip Kiff gave some web standards links. Thanks. Joyce Evans -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joyce Evans Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 5:44 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] To

Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Gaspar
IN wcag 2, a draft of 17th May of 2007 you can see: ยป http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/#consistent-behavior Guideline 3.2 Make Web pages appear and operate in predictable ways 3.2.1 On Focus: When any component receives focus, it does not initiate a change of context. (Level A)

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Jermayn Parker
We as web designers provide a service to our customers and clients of the website etc so in doing that we need to provide a service that allows the user to browse the website the way *he/ she* prefers and we cannot force the user to browse the way 'we' like it. This means that you do not open a

please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Michael MD
I'm all about web conventions. I didn't realize having a blank target didn't follow web standards. Is that documented somewhere? This one still bothers me ... The alternatives I've seen invariably require javascript and some of those javascript methods give the user less choice and are

Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Bruce
Personally and from a usability I feel pdf's belong in the office, not on the web. As a definite download link and have a choice between viewing it as html or a pdf download. I hate seeing pdf becoming more popular. Bruce P bkdesign - Original Message - From: Michael MD [EMAIL

please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Jermayn Parker
I work at one of the those government places that has those horrible pdfs scattered through out all their horrible pages. I couldnt agree more. I used to believe that you only open in new window for pdfs but now only just realise that maybe its not best practise and could be thought about more.

RE: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Webb, KerryA
Jermayn wrote: I work at one of the those government places that has those horrible pdfs scattered through out all their horrible pages. I couldnt agree more. And I work with people who build such sites, and I don't have a problem with PDFs per se. If that's an efficient and effective way

Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread dwain
Michael MD wrote: I'm all about web conventions. I didn't realize having a blank target didn't follow web standards. Is that documented somewhere? - at least give them the option to right-click and download it for offline viewing! the option is already there if you know about it. how do

Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread dwain
Bruce wrote: Personally and from a usability I feel pdf's belong in the office, not on the web. As a definite download link and have a choice between viewing it as html or a pdf download. I hate seeing pdf becoming more popular. i think that offering a substantial amount of information, like

RE: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread Jermayn Parker
I think the problem is that the links are not easily reconised that it is a pdf document you are opening [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/07/2007 9:23:44 am Jermayn wrote: I work at one of the those government places that has those horrible pdfs scattered through out all their horrible pages. I

[WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-19 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/07/19 11:23 (GMT+1000) Webb, KerryA apparently typed: Jermayn wrote: I work at one of the those government places that has those horrible pdfs scattered through out all their horrible pages. I couldnt agree more. And I work with people who build such sites, and I don't have a

[WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-19 Thread Jermayn Parker
pdfs are not going to go away (and docs are not the answer) in Nielsons article (who is over rated and take his opinion with a grain of salt) he says pdfs are for print and I agree but for most Government websites they need these pdfs that we all hate and as I said in an earlier email html

Re: [WSG] (Phillipe) margin problem in Firefox

2007-07-19 Thread Tee G. Peng
Phillipe wrote in CSS-D: It is a bug in Gecko. [1] Here is your list, simplified. http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/moz-egde.html The top one is wrong, the bottom one is fixed. li.poster {-moz-float-edge:content-box;} does all the magic. (one could argue about the semantics of your list

RE: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-19 Thread Paul Bennett
I, for one am enjoying this discussion :) My 2c: 1) Let the user know it's a PDF *and* what size the PDF is, eg by putting something like (12Kb PDF) beside the link. I'm on dial up at home and it grates my backside when sites don't let me know how big the file is 2) If you can, use

Re: [WSG] (Phillipe) margin problem in Firefox

2007-07-19 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote: Phillipe wrote in CSS-D: It is a bug in Gecko. [1] Here is your list, simplified. http://dev.l-c-n.com/_temp/moz-egde.html The top one is wrong, the bottom one is fixed. li.poster {-moz-float-edge:content-box;} does all the magic. (one

RE: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-19 Thread Jermayn Parker
I think of your 5 steps, number one is the most practable... the others are good in a 'perfect' world but this aint and if most other gov sites are like mine (new design coming tom), they will not happen. All of my pdfs are direct from the different areas and so I dont create the pdfs and we

Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser! was Re: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Maybe you should try Foxit Reader 2.0 http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php PDF's won't be going away anytime soon, particularly from Government websites. There is also zero chance of having all PDF's done as HTML due to staffing and time constraints. The best you'll get is a link to an

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2007-07-19 Thread Marvin Hunkin
Hi. looking for a free web hosting, and most of them have banner adds. do you know of any good free webhosting, without banner adds, and do not have a credit card, that allows php, asp, my sql, access, cgi-bin access? if so, e-mail me off list and let me know. cheers Marvin.

Re: [WSG] Free Web Hosting With No Adds

2007-07-19 Thread Robert DC. Reyes, mcp
We will soon be offering free webhosting services via http://www.turfsiteph.net brgds, Bob Reyes On 7/20/07, Marvin Hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. looking for a free web hosting, and most of them have banner adds. do you know of any good free webhosting, without banner adds, and do

Re: [WSG] Free Web Hosting With No Adds - ADMIN

2007-07-19 Thread russ - maxdesign
We will soon be offering free webhosting services via ADMIN Please make all replies to Marvin offlist as he requested! This is wy off topic Thanks Russ Official off-topic police *** List Guidelines: