got in your corrected copy because I'm
unsure which values I'm supposed to be tuning?
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The purpose of max-width loses if it can't overruled the ems behavior.
It's not a case of max-width overruling ems. Ems is related to font-size
which is why it's used for fluid/elastic layouts - it's *supposed* to
increase as you increase the text size. If you don't want your layout to
exp
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wrote:
John Faulds wrote:
Could you show me what you've got in your corrected copy because I'm
unsure which values I'm supposed to be tuning?
Ok, here's a smooth-working version...
* html #wrap {
width: 95%;
width:expression(((document.compatMode
Hi Georg,
Yep, that did it. It looks like it was the % padding causing the problem.
Huge thanks for the time and effort you spent helping me out on this one!
Cheers
John
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:56:44 +1000, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
John Faulds wrote:
I apprecia
I have to mark up a club constitution where all the paragraphs are
numbered but there are also headings that are supposed to relate to
paragraphs, e.g.:
Heading 1
1. Paragraph goes here
2. Paragraph goes here
3. Paragraph goes here
Heading 2
4. Paragraph goes here
5. Paragraph goes here
n find
in the WSG archives if you want to read the full discussion.
John Faulds wrote:
I have to mark up a club constitution where all the paragraphs are
numbered but there are also headings that are supposed to relate to
paragraphs, e.g.:
Heading 1
1. Paragraph goes here
2. Paragraph go
I'd think a little bit more about what you want your CMS to do before
jumping in with Joomla. I've only given it a cursory look over before
because I wasn't that impressed particularly by the sort of templating it
uses and the code it outputs. If your client just wants to edit pages
themsel
Hi Taco,
Have you got a link to the page you're trying to fix this on?
Regards,
John Hancock
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It should be: (no 2nd !).
On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:40:52 +1000, Hayden's Harness Attachment
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You've got a colon : after 'a' which is preventing the rule being read
properly. Should be:
a {
display:block;
width: 6em;
padding 0.2em;
line-height:1.4;
background-color:#00;
border 1px solid black;
color:#d22539;
text-decoration: none;
test-align: center;
}
but you probably want to be m
"First, it requests the Commission to obligate Microsoft to unbundle
Internet Explorer from Windows and/or carry alternative browsers
pre-installed on the desktop."
I can't see that flying. Is anyone going to ask Apple to stop shipping
their OS with Safari?
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:05:11 +1
Delivering their OSes with half a dozen pre-installed standard-compliant
alternatives to IE/win isn't a
technical problem, so why not?
I'm no lawyer and I'm also no MS fanboy, but I think 'why?' is as equally
a valid question as 'why not?'.
My latest computer with Vista came pre-intalled w
but their os should be able to run other optional packages that the
customer chooses.
Out of all the applications Gav & I mentioned previously, all the
alternatives are easily installed on Windows (including Vista), and that's
certainly the case for other browsers, so I don't really see you
Personally, I think the img tag has the correct semantics (and attributes) for
an image. I'd just keep them for images in paragraphs and use css background
for everything else.
An object is just that!
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Oh come on, let's not be so blinkered that we can't appreciate really
good work in most areas!
Felix isn't the only one who has a number of issues with the new design
and for entirely different reasons -
http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/bbc_homepage_redesign/
I'd have to agre
Seems like someone is listening! The color buttons is gone
No they're not. Unless you're referring to something different.
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Yeah, that's right. I can still see them and they still change the colour
of the page.
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Well they are on my computer! (we're talking about the 4 colored buttons
that changed the colors of the page..
slypleasereload might do it.
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Yeah, that's right. I can still see them and they still change
>- I really don't like the clock; it's so 1990s - we all have a clock on
>our computer/phone; I don't think it's needed.
I think you're missing the nostalgia, the "aah" factor embodied in that
clock -- British people have spent many *many* hours watching it.
It's rather off-topic, but more to the point it's impossible, and your
main task at this point is to explain to your client why even trying to
do it is pointless and silly. If they can see the text, the text is on
their computer.
As Andrew said, either they want their information on the web or the
I mean the only reason i can see that they dont validate
Inline styles are as valid as any other form of CSS as far as the W3C
validator is concerned. But there's a difference between valid and best
practice.
Lately ive been using a lot of inline styles in textpattern forms
(template blo
A textpattern "form" with inline styles, only gets loaded once and when
a change is made to it every page on the site is globally updated.
You may only have one file to edit, but what gets sent to the browser is
still a different page for each entry with the inline styles needing to be
dow
you'd expand the acronym/abbreviation
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>can I safely develop in non Mac versions and expect
>my web sites to behave the same on the Mac?
Behave? Yes. But...
I don't think anyone's made this point yet -- one key difference between
the platforms is the display of form elements.
Elements like buttons and select menus and checkboxes, et
s (one shows a menu,
one takes you to another page). Consistency is key - but remember that
users usually browse in only one browser at a time.
John Hancock
identity.net.au
PS. On a side-note, can we keep platform discussion to standards and
implementation? 'My computer is bigger/bett
It's disturbing how well lemurs can illustrate the issue, too:
http://www.katemonkey.co.uk/article/48/x-ua-lemur-compatible (the Zeldman
lemur cracked me up completely)
That's awesome!
We can opt to save our energy for standards-based browsers and not
bother learning new versions of IE. Lazy?
IE6 doesn't respect the *:hover pseudo selector if I remember
rightly... It only supports it for anchors, e.g a:hover
You may have to look at a small bit of javascript to 'activate' this
behavior.
No, because he's using one of Stu Nicholl's js-free menus. The trade off
is a lot of IE conditi
You don't need a longdesc in that example because you're already linking
to it by an anchor.
On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:34:09 +1000, dwain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
here's the link to the example:
http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html
i have the jesus and discip
Also is their a preference in web standards for using PHP includes or
something like SSI?
SSI stands for server side include which is essentially what a PHP include
is. The only difference is the syntax used to call the include.
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Hi Germ17,I have seen your example presented in GERMWORKS.NETFYI, your
approach is perfect to my knowledge, but the element should not
wrapped by any element. It's not compliant/accessible...I
request you to modify this example according to standards, if you believe
the same.
You're wron
For further discussion on which is the best method to use:
http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1926
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:03:28 +1000, sri kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Germ17,I have seen your example presented in GERMWORKS.NETFYI, your
approach is perfect to my knowled
I'd say the only time you need to use paragraphs inside list items is when
a list item's content is made up of more than one paragraph.
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:13:54 +1000, Tim MacKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Taco,
In the case of the example you provided I'd say definitely no need for
If you have two paragraphs you might want to reconsider the use of a
list.
I don't agree. Consider as an example a 'list' of services - it may take
more than one paragraph to adequately describe each service, but it is
still a list.
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If the lists have a number of levels like
Services
Web Site Development
Graphics
SEO and
more
About Us
Me
You
Someone else
I'm not talking about presenting a list of links; I'm talking about
presenting the actual content on a page. From your example above, it's
qu
Assign the paragraph style to a HTML tag that is surrounding all other
tags?
If so, I would not feel comfortable with that.
Why not? If this is your HTML:
some text
some text
This
.content {
color: red;
font-size: 1em;
line-height: 1.5
}
makes more sense and is more concise than
p {
c
>A website I was working on, client wants client-side
>validation, something fancy, something Ajax.
The whole point of AJAX is that it's *not* client-side. It's both. So
your client is a little confused if they said that.
===
If you apply the style to the container, then you don't need to assign
styles individually to different elements (except where you want them to
be different).
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 13:22:52 +1000, Taco Fleur
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Hi Tim,
What I mean by duplicate style is that if I ass
the flaw in this approach is the potential for adding divs for styling
purposes only which is hardly ever necessary.
I'm not saying that at all. Every layout is going to have containers; use
the ones you've already got. Adding styles for every element has the
potential for 'bloating' your CS
Plenty of references here:
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2006/11/11/css-based-forms-modern-solutions/
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:01:26 +1000, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi ,
Could anyone tell me which is the best way to build a form without
tables in w3c standards.
I would really appreciate
an off-topic message, please at least mark it as such so the rest
of us can hit the delete button without checking it first for relevant
information!
Kind regards,
John Hancock
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And now you don't even need to buy Sitepoint reference material:
http://reference.sitepoint.com/css
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I would also reccomend the Sitepoint books. Work well as a reference
when your working too, or just forgot somethin
us with extremely large working areas should
usually have a 17" TFT or lower to test on for 'the great unpixeled'.
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in terms of design - my
method is usually to build a /mobile site for mobile users.
John.
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Me, personally, I wouldn't use a CMS that produced mark-up like that.
Especially not when I know there are others out there that will do a
better job (haven't explored Powerfront too closely to find out whether
it's possible to alter the output mark-up).
I'd have to ask though: why are you
Please consider that a cms is a tool too allow people to add there own
content. So the inline styling may in fact be added by the end user.
For the example site linked to - http://www.goodshepvic.org.au/ - I didn't
even get as far down to what might've been user entered content.
Incomplete d
How can you disagree with a capability? Isn't it a feature to be used
if you so choose? For intranets etc that you can force this behaviour
can actually be a good thing, but if you don't like it, you don't have
to use it! Microsoft has certainly responded here, but in my opinion
we shouldn'
'd say these are more language-based or protocol
based and that's a pretty small niche in web standards.
I feel that more on the subject would take my response away from Web
Standards, so feel free to contact me off-list if you want to discuss
further.
best wishes,
John Ha
the stats. For myself,
I'd be unwilling to support people who steal rather than go to linux-based
operating systems. Unfortunately, it's impossible to tell the difference!
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t know how to
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t actually been deprecated is
that the HTML working group were worried it would lead to the misuse of
other presentational tags, indeed such as and , which
should be considered whenever you use these 'newer' tags!
cheers,
John
Kepler Gelotte wrote:
Hi,
I am just curious if anyone
Please, please, please everyone.
Discuss web standards on the web standards group mailing list, and "my
text/WYSIWY editor is better than yours" on the HTML Editors mailing
list...
If there isn't one, feel free to set it up.
thank
Does the coder need to be in London?
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Hi All London Standardistas!
Hope this little job requ
I've just spent a bit of time looking at how background-position works
when expressed as a percentage:
background-position: 90%;
and I'm wondering why it works the way it does.
Here's the best way I can describe the effect of (90%, x-axis)
positioning with percentages: "to position the image s
Just to point out something that hasn't been mentioned as far as I can
see -- of course, you can map file types to extensions on a webserver
however you like. You could set .JPG to serve as HTML if you wanted. The
original creators of Blogger, Pyra, used ".pyra" as their extension so I
have no idea
I'd be interested in hearing recommendations for good standards-based
HTML and CSS training in the Sydney area.
I'm looking at MaxDesign's website, of course, but not seeing specific
dates for upcoming courses.
Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
The information containe
then you might use
a Definition List. The term postcode is the , then just add input
elements in the and use title to explain the input use for screen
readers.
To all the more experienced members, please step forward to clarify or
correct my advice.
Your faithfully,
I've got no signature set u
Was just walking back from work when it occurred to me I should of
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rs?
Finally why did the absolute position boxes just vanish in the IE7? I
realise this might be too vauge a question, but I'm not even quite
sure what my search terms might be trying to find the answer to this
via Google. Generally the
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Cow"; http://forums.creativecow.net/ or even the Adobe website. Not
surprisingly a quick google search provides some info, and this link
looked informed.
http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Making_Video_Accessible
Not exactly your question answe
Just a quick note that if you're going to shorten
"Do collaborative online groups need to be successful"
to make a URL, it would be better, from the SEO viewpoint, to cut out
the common words, "do", "need", "to" etc. So, your URL would be
collaborative-online-groups-successful.html
not
d
Just want to put in a plug for Radio National's coverage of this topic
so far:
The Media Report:
http://abc.net.au/rn/mediareport/stories/2008/2405376.htm
Australia Talks:
http://abc.net.au/rn/australiatalks/stories/2008/2419136.htm
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OK, I'll bite, what makes you say that there are no suitable microformats?
Where did you look?
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Subjec
I adopted the use of the element in an application I'm working
on, used like this:
foo
one main reason I liked buttons is that they can be disabled with an
attribute, which was useful for things like keeping a "next" button
everywhere, so that the layout was consistent, but disabling it when
Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code. I will
definitely not be using Javascript. It seems entirely logical to me that there
should be such a thing as a button, which can exist outside a form, which has
an HREF attribute or can be wrapped in an anchor. But if there
roup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] IE and the element
On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, John Horner wrote:
> Thanks for all the discussion so far. It seems I'll have to re-code.
> I will definitely not be using Javascript. It seems entirely logical
> to me that there should be such a thing as a button,
here - http://natbat.net/
In the end, presuming I was in the ball park when I assumed you meant
deliverables, as best as I can tell there is only techniques that work
for you, rather than a standard such that the W3C would endorse.
Hope some of this is helpful.
John Unsworth
>>>
7;ve usually been fortunate to either be able to create my own images,
or have them supplied to me and then proceeded with the understanding
that the client has already cleared there use. Thus far no problems.
Hope this might help.
John Unsworth.
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> hi.
> tried lookin
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>
> When you use a character code, e.g. » as a list marker
> (hardcoded in the li), how is that interpreted by a speech browser?
> Does the user hear tho
= and name=, use one or the other - they complete the same purpose,
although I'm just reading this information from a book and haven't
checked the specification per se.
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On 4 March 2010 12:33, wrote:
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>
> I have run in to what seems to be an IE8 b
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As this nearly became a question to the group and only lucky chance
provided the answer in minutes, and the information was previously
unknown to me, I thought I'd share especially to those creating novel
font stacks.
Cheers,
John Unsworth
Ian,
Your "Out of the Office" automated message is one of three such messages sent
to the WSG list today.
Thanks for advising me, I will note it in my diary.
Regards,
John Townsend
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Vision - implied is if you don't check any, you would of selected No.
So to sum up, before it's a question of which is the best markup to
use, what is the actual end result of this action and can it be
handled a better way?
Cheers,
John Unsworth
On 4 June 2010 12:29, nedlud wrote:
&
a visitor from the W3C who spoke to the WSG in Melbourne
some time ago now called Richard Ishida who is all about
internationalisation on the web. More links; http://rishida.net/
Cheers,
John Unsworth
On 4 June 2010 14:41, nedlud wrote:
> Hmm.
> I hadn't considered the wording of the
d Flash was
at school and it was Flash8 and given the presentation I mentioned it
might be a tool built in??
Of course how this would be handled in HTML5 I'm less clear on:)
Didn't really answer your questions directly, but I hope some of
ology, currently 3rd edition.
She recommends a Javascript version for accessibility. I would agree.
Best of luck on your journey . . .
John
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discussing the merits of software and not web standards :)
My other suggestion would be to write to the guys behind NVDA (or join
the forum). They are blind computer developers and likely have some
experience that could assist you.
Hope this is helpful somehow and congrats on the study deci
Hi all,
if you'd like a taste of the kind of thing your boss or client will
hear at the briefing next week
http://we04.com/briefing.cfm
then I've just posted "5 things you should ask your web development
team"
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/house/good_oil/5_question
/dog_or_higher/index.rdf
Maxine at westciv does Redemption Through Standards
http://westciv.typepad.com/standards/index.rdf
and you'll find a swag of great web development blogs in her blog roll
john
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sof
o create the gallery with three (or whatever) images to a
line.
Just need a bit of help over the final alignment
hump.
Many thanks to all who have helped me in the
past.
Cheers,
John Penlington
Hi all,
Thanks for those suggestions. Unfortunately, my client requires the
thumbnail galleries to align exactly as I've shown with the table layout -
caption under image.
The test page is at:
http://www.bluemountainsgardener.info/fgtest/max_miller.asp
I cannot control either the height or width
.asp
Finally, Nick ...
About those non-breaking spaces in the floated divs ... just junk from a
much earlier version. I've removed them in the final version.
Thanks, everyone for your help.
I've really enjoyed this exercise. Only been doing full CSS web standards
for the past six m
let you know what
I found out in a second email a bit later, but I thought I'd raise
the question for your interest/discussion first.
"Have You Validated Your Code?"
John Horner(+6
l, that's the origin of the problem...
jh
"Have You Validated Your Code?"
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