RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

2008-04-11 Thread michael.brockington
That sounds very complex to achieve, if it is possible: As things stand, the lines you are talking about don't actually exist, they are an artefact of the tiled bb image you are using (nb, the effect was too subtle for me to see on the first machine I viewed your site on) - to do what you descri

RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

2008-04-11 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone >Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:40 AM >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >Subject: Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change colour? > >Hi, > >From a usability and accessibility point of vie

RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

2008-04-11 Thread michael.brockington
Do I understand this right: you want the background to change, as the mouse passes over one of these diagonal lines - or just when the user mouses over any part of the background? Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lae

[WSG] RE: NVU

2008-04-08 Thread michael.brockington
Don't mean to be negative, but NVU is a pretty poor choice: even its own home page admits that! (Last release was 2005, and that should never have been classed as version 1, and no development work being undertaken.) As far as I can see, the best choice on the open source route is SeaMonkey. Re

RE: [WSG] Dreamweaver8

2008-04-07 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > one thing I >miss about dreamweaver is that you can do a 'search all' and >get a list of all instances of the thing you are searching for >rather than cycling through a 'find...find...find...' >list. So far it's the only program I've used

RE: [WSG] Software to read aloud web pages (targetted at literacy issues not vision issues)

2008-04-04 Thread michael.brockington
This has been possible on every Apple Mac for the last fifteen years or so, and you have the option of changing the voice if you want, unfortunately the good versions that are available for Windows are all relatively expensive. Regards, Mike >-Original Message- >> Someone's asked me abou

RE: [WSG] Safari 3.1 OSX & Safari 3.1 Windows

2008-03-25 Thread michael.brockington
That would depend on what you consider significant - some of the most irritating issues are due to relatively tiny bugs. Safari has essentially the same codebase on both Windows and OSX, but the OS is always going to be responsible for some functions. For an example, consider the well-known "thre

RE: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag

2008-03-19 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke >"In the real world where people are imperfect, you can't have >a standard with just a spec-you must have a super-strict >reference implementation, and everybody has to test against >the reference implementati

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-07 Thread michael.brockington
I use XP on two different corporate networks. Both have auto-update blocked, and will remain on IE6 for the foreseeable future. I don't think this is uncommon, but we will need to wait and see. Until now, the general practice appears to be to support the latest two versions of IE, but I think for a

RE: [WSG] hello

2008-02-12 Thread michael.brockington
Basically, there is no difference. Web 2 is basically just marketing-speak, loosely meaning "The Currently Fashionable Thing" Regards, Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gitanjali Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:21 PM To: wsg

RE: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-30 Thread michael.brockington
One question that I have yet to see anyone ask is: How good will IE8 actually be? If it is perfect, then there is no need to worry about future versions... I also haven't seen anyone mention the fact that we have yet to get rid of IE5 completely - I know of at least one large organisation (not my

RE: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread michael.brockington
If the back button doesn't work, then I think you will find that history.go won't work either. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexey Ten Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:41 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgro

RE: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-14 Thread michael.brockington
Now fire up Safari and Camino side-by-side, and notice how both browsers display form elements the way that the user expects - nice and shiny, rounded blue - easy to tell apart from the occasional "You are infected" etc pop-ups with an image of a Windows button. This is because the form elements

RE: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3

2007-12-17 Thread michael.brockington
Have you looked at UltraCompare, a close cousin of the excellent UltraEdit ? Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PRO

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-17 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:18 AM >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >Subject: Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part >Ask yourself where have you ever seen go

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread michael.brockington
I presume it is okay with you then if MS starts up their own PC Support business? Sorry 'Computer Consultancy'? Assuming it is, do you mind if they then advertise it heavily, force users to sign up to it before they can use Windows, undercut other operators, etc. etc.? It is precisely because Gov

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread michael.brockington
John Faulds wrote: > I can't see that flying. Is anyone going to ask Apple to stop shipping > their OS with Safari? It may no longer be the case, (since there is no supported version available) but Apple DID include Internet Explorer on all Apple Mac's, even when Safari became available. What's m

RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?

2007-11-19 Thread michael.brockington
For the sake of clarity; can you please confirm whether you are referring to machine-readable site-maps for the benefit of Google etc.; or to human-readable site-maps for the benefit of your human visitors? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Designer Sent: Su

RE: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-31 Thread michael.brockington
Strictly speaking, it is the browsers that are at fault - Safari/WebKit supports multiple background images, and FireFox/Camino et al. all support rounded corners via border-radius. In both cases this is (basically) according to the CSS spec. In many cases, I use border-radius: this is purely eye-

RE: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem

2007-10-14 Thread michael.brockington
Certainly for this example, the use of an ordered list is incorrect - there is a strong hint there in the description; this should be marked up with tags, with the identifier as the first bit of text, ie the number is content in this example. If you think about it, the 'label' of each item MUST

RE: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem

2007-10-13 Thread michael.brockington
I can see what you mean, however that would depend to a degree on what the list-number actually represents: perhaps the OP could give us a little more context? Anyway, no-one has spotted a good answer to this problem, so I merely offered this idea for discussion, as an alternative to other bad

RE: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem

2007-10-12 Thread michael.brockington
How hard would it be to have the list start with two empty elements, removed from view in what ever way works best? Mike >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:22 AM >To: wsg@webstandard

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-08 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Lauke >Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:30 PM >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >Subject: RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility > >> And here's me thinking that WCAG 1.0 _WAS_ a web standard !? > >Guidelin

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-08 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Woods >Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:01 PM >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >Subject: Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility > >Standards compliance doesn't automatically guarantee an >accessible site ...

RE: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-04 Thread michael.brockington
> In 2000, Bruce Maguire's accessibility complaint against the Olympics.com website was upheld. > Did this lead to a spate of "frivolous", "discriminatory" lawsuits in Australia? Did it lead to any improvement in accessibility of commercial, government or hobby web sites in Australia? Did

RE: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-23 Thread michael.brockington
I think that a more appropriate example would be using: -moz-border-radius Any validator should tell you that this is non-standard, but it is up to you to decide whether or not to use it. Regards, Mike >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf O

RE: [WSG] inability to line up elements in a print style sheet

2007-08-22 Thread michael.brockington
You may want to double-check you maths - I make it around 800px high at 72dpi: 295mm / 25.4mm = 11 inches * 72 dpi ~ 800px after margins. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Campbell Sent: Wednesday, Aug

RE: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread michael.brockington
Are you serving up your hacked stylesheet to everyone, or just to those crippled by IE? The latter is far more acceptable than the former, in my opinion. Mike >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lecoat >Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2

RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link

2007-08-11 Thread michael.brockington
I'm afraid this doesn't give me much confidence when your label for HTML5 is (X)HTML 5 One of the major points about HTML5 is that it is _not_ XML based. Second point would be what do you mean by Block(ish)? Regards, Mike *** Lis

RE: [WSG] Usefulness of JSDoc

2007-07-25 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Wong > >I personally wouldn't use it for production websites because >it inflates the size of the Javascript file, therefore forcing >the user to download more. Also it would tempt others to steal >code by making it easy to

RE: [WSG] Using target="_blank"

2007-07-25 Thread michael.brockington
That has to be just about the nastiest version of all - I click a link and get a new window. Fine, not what I wanted, but there was that other link that looked interesting, I'll just go back to the first window and open a few more links before I read that page. Hey! Where did they all go! Number o

RE: [WSG] Using target="_blank"

2007-07-24 Thread michael.brockington
How about asking the client if they want a 'modern' web site or an old-fashioned one? Assuming they ask for the former, then inform them that it is not possible to have pop-up windows of any kind. Also mention pop-up blockers and ask if they want to be 'that kind of site' Mike >-Original Mess

RE: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-20 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >I love web standard and practice it with the best of my >ability, Nice to know, very glad to hear it. > and I love PDF too - use it, create it, deliver it So somewhat biased then... >PDF can be accessible, not in the sense of web stan

RE: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-20 Thread michael.brockington
Saying that PDF's are needed by Government Websites is a very circular argument for allowing them - why are they needed? In my experience it is only ever because of laziness or poorly designed workflows, and as you point out, we all hate them, especially when they cannot be opened/read. Mike >-

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-20 Thread michael.brockington
If your banking site relies on a new window for its security, then it is time to get a new bank! In this day and age when every major browser has tabbed browsing, there is little that is more infuriating than have a new browser window spawned for no reason - worst of all is when I 'middle-click' t

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-13 Thread michael.brockington
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:32 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] To target or not Id say dont use pop-ups, nobody likes them e

RE: [WSG] Shadow validation

2007-07-10 Thread michael.brockington
Not sure about the 1.X series, but text shadow is supported in Safari 2.X - I have been using it for quite a while, and love it. Mike >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucien Stals >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:32 AM >To: wsg@webstan

RE: [WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-07-02 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman >Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:08 AM >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >Subject: Re: [WSG] Skip to Content? > > >On 30 Jun 2007, at 9:58 AM, Sander Aarts wrote: > >> > So you don't care at

RE: [WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-07-02 Thread michael.brockington
I think you missed the major point of the last reply - do you have any evidence that what you are doing _does_ make things easier for AT users? Many of the other good ideas that people have had, have been proved to be counter-productive, such as access keys that conflict with OS shortcuts. I have b

RE: [WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-06-29 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sander Aarts >Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:20 PM >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >Subject: Re: [WSG] Skip to Content? > > >I alway make skip links to all major parts of the page, being >the different l

RE: [WSG] Page Structure

2007-06-28 Thread michael.brockington
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Crockford >Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:48 PM >To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org >Subject: Re: [WSG] Page Structure > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Of course the branding shouldn't be an . > >> Total

RE: [WSG] Page Structure

2007-06-28 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Taylor > Its a matter of convention. And demanded by WCAG > When we write documents, we always put the "big heading" up top and go down from there. > Its simple habit. Agreed. > Of course the

RE: [WSG] Accessibility and "fly out" menus

2007-06-22 Thread michael.brockington
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sander Aarts > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:30 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility and "fly out" menus > Providing an option to turn off the dropdowns is of course

RE: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread michael.brockington
> If you use JS to write specific styles to the document, there > should be > nothing "popping in and out". > > --- > Regards, > Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com How do you work that one out? Javascript cannot run until the page has (mostly) loaded, so I can vouch for getting a 'flash of extra conte

RE: [WSG] Print style sheets

2007-06-08 Thread michael.brockington
Generally speaking, my advice would be to use print styles as part of the main stylesheet setup (possibly but not necessarily a separate CSS file) By tying your print-friendly styles to a script of any kind, you are forcing the user to find that link and be able to use it, in order to gain the bene

RE: [WSG] obj height: css + js

2007-06-04 Thread michael.brockington
Marc, It is pretty trivial to use JavaScript to 'measure' the height of a window / viewport - you should be able to find plenty of articles that describe the details, if you Google carefully. From what I remember, all browsers will give you this data in pixels, regardless of how the element you are

RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-06-04 Thread michael.brockington
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Novitski > > Fortunately we can aim stylesheets specifically at handheld devices, Sure we can aim, but I think anyone who has spent half an hour or more looking into this will tell you that you

RE: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

2007-05-29 Thread michael.brockington
Marvin, I for one don't really understand what it is that you are trying to achieve, but then that may partly be the language barrier! Regards, Mike > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marvin hunkin > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:04 AM

RE: [WSG] Photo gallery markup & semantics

2007-05-23 Thread michael.brockington
I think the primary issue you have here is the assertion that Images, however artistic they may be, qualify as 'data'. I cannot see that connection, and therefore cannot agree with the use of a table. Further, the 'relationship' between two images may change if they are moved, but the 'meaning' of

RE: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

2007-05-13 Thread michael.brockington
I stand corrected. Must be time to by a new copy of the OED - 'Initialism' isn't in my carbon-sink copy! These definitions do seem much clearer than M-W was, but then I have never been impressed with them. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Dan Dorman Sent: F

RE: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

2007-05-11 Thread michael.brockington
> > I don't see that this should be the case. For example, "Ltd" is a > common UK abbreviation for the word "Limited" in the context of a > "Limited Liability Company", such as "HyperGlobalMegaCorp Ltd." > > Another example would be "Mr", which is an abbreviation of "Mister." > There are pl

RE: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

2007-05-11 Thread michael.brockington
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Dorman > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 5:45 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Acronym tag usage > > > Incidentally, it strikes me as somewhat silly to fuss about whether > t

RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
I can't make up my mind whether you are agreeing with me here or disagreeing? The important point is that this type of script assumes that no JavaScript == screen reader which is patent nonsense. It also assumes that screen reader users are the only ones who might dislike pop-ups, which is even m

RE: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
That is a good point, though again it is assuming that the page will be read in a fully linear fashion. Depending on the nature of the page, a compromise of the first time per 'section' might be better. Again compare with a printed page where it is relatively easy for a sighted person to pick out

RE: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
Since most web pages are skimmed rather than being read in a traditional, linear fashion, it makes sense to use the full tag and attributes on every occasion. The traditional, print-based method was to only expand the abbreviation/acronym on first use, to save space, but this does not apply to an a

RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
Perhaps I did not make myself clear - what every script of this nature does is remove the need for an 'inline' onClick event handler, by programmatically inserting the exact same handler after the document has loaded, by searching for some attribute of the link. While this does a good job of fooli

RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
Unfortunately, using JavaScript to insert such links is no more than a fudge - you cannot rely on JavaScript being turned off in a screen-reader users browser, and this cannot be regarded as 'unobtrusive', or even 'progressive enhancement' as it is a fundamental change in behaviour. Mike > --

RE: [WSG] handling accessible form

2007-04-23 Thread michael.brockington
On the other hand, relying on the form data to indicate which fields to validate may be dangerous - a malicious user may rename the field before submission, potentially bypassing your security. Regards, Mike *** List Guidelines: htt

RE: [WSG] Teaching CSS

2007-03-19 Thread michael.brockington
Can I just mention, that if you can possibly find the time, then _do_ try and teach things to your colleague; nothing else is as good for ironing out any issues in your own knowledge as having someone else saying "but why?" This may sound daft, but trust me, it always works for me. Mike **

RE: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ?

2007-03-12 Thread michael.brockington
Sounds like a job for the likes of Visio, or Illustrator. Since you don't appear to need anything functional, I would avoid the complexities of NVU or Dreamweaver. You would need to spend five minutes providing the basic shapes, but then it is all down to the user. Mike > -Original Message--

RE: [WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated

2007-03-07 Thread michael.brockington
In what way do you think that SPANs are better than DIVs? My understanding was that they were both entirely neutral, and at exactly the same level as each other, simply that one is a block by default, while the other is inline. Regards, Mike > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

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