Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x

Hi Nick, I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. So use a Conditional Comment - ? 2. If I don't include a dreaded hack in my css (which I'd really like to remove because my style sheet doesn't validate) Sarah --

Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x

Hi Jermayn, Just a quick question. Why we still coding/ hacking for IE5??? Good point. It's just that the site works very well in IE5.5 *except* for this problem - which, by the way, I've just about fixed. Also, my website browser stats have IE5.x at about 2% - not much I know, but when you

[WSG] Form drop-downs for countries

Hi folks, Just wondering what you think about form usability scenarios for drop-downs for countries. I currently maintain a database of countries which is displayed alphabetically in a form drop-down. To save the user having to scroll, I'm considering repeating common countries at the top of

[WSG] Copyright Query

Hi all, Just wondering what the general consensus is on the following website copyright issue. I have a client who has paid for a website (and more recently a major redesign of the same site). We have just discovered that he has been giving the code to his international distributors, and the

Re: [WSG] Copyright Query

More to the point however, this isn't really web standards related. My apologies to everyone :( I must admit that (on this occasion) I didn't think before posting. Many thanks, however, for replies on and off list. If there is any further feedback please email me privately. Sarah -- XERT

[WSG] Two CSS Problems

Hi all, Can anyone please help with the following problems (in WIN IE6 7): 1. How to get a link background image (used as an underline) to continue over two or more lines? Example http://geofeat.com/ - RHS Latest News links 2. Why the footer at the bottom of this page jumps when hovering over

[WSG] Trouble with H3 float

One more question please... When I resize http://geofeat.com/ to 800x600 the H3 heading *Featured Advertisers* (third heading on page content) floats right. I have tried all sorts of css to fix this but end up with more problems (specifically to do with excess top/bottom margins in the heading

Re: [WSG] Two CSS Problems

Hey Ross In response to question 1 this is something that can't really be fixed in IE6/7 due to how they measure the bounding box of a link. Thanks for your reply - I thought this may be the case - bummer! Oh well, the joys of IE! Thanks Sarah -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Trouble with H3 float

Hi Christian Ian, I haven't looked at the code of the site properly so forgive me if this doesn't work... You can apply the CSS property { clear: both } to the H3 heading. I have tried the clear: both; and clear: left; options. But I get a margin problem which differs across

[WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated

Hi all, We have recently unveiled a new project on all things green, eco-friendly and organic: http://geofeat.com/ I would really appreciate feedback on issues related to standards, usability and accessibility. This is an ongoing project, and there are a number of things I have yet to implement

[WSG] Employee Hierarchy in CSS

Hi all I need to display images, names and job titles for employees in a company, and am looking to use Russ's tutorial http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0407.htm instead of a table layout. The problem is that there are gaps in the groupings. I have added a new style thumbnail2

Re: [WSG] Employee Hierarchy in CSS

Hi Seona Thanks so much for your reply. I think this may just do the trick. I'll get to work on the best option... Many thanks Sarah :) -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd

Re: [WSG] Employee Hierarchy in CSS

Hi Jay Thanks for your reply. I have achieved a similar result, however what I really need is to be able to center the overall chart, and maintain columns despite gaps. I have included an example of what I am trying to achieve below - this one uses tables. Please note: I have *not* optimised

RE: [WSG] Employee Hierarchy in CSS

Hi Geoff That looks great. I like the idea of the background image, and I especially like the mugshot! :) See: http://www.virtualgeoff.com/misc/orgChart.html with background image: http://www.virtualgeoff.com/misc/orgChartB.html A couple of thoughts: 1. Would it be possible to center the

[WSG] Keeping a table ordered

Hi all I have a group of retail outlets which I need to order alphabetically by location and still maintain row heights when there are differing amounts of content, eg: CANBERRAABC Company Email SYDNEY XYZ Company Address

Re: [WSG] Re: Multiple language usability query

(hence, out of curiosity, if someone would be kind enough to send me a screenshot of the file I posted earlier, that would be appreciated). I don't have a screen shot, because I have just installed the language pack, however I can confirm that my Win PC showed ?? where the text should have

[WSG] Multiple language usability query

Hi all I am new to multiple language sites. However, I have a client who has a small amount of text on one page of his site referring Japanese speaking users to a different (Japanese) site. Firefox and Safari on the Mac seem to have a default which allows the Japanese to be read. However, I

Re: [WSG] Multiple language usability query

Hi Philippe, Japanese (and other East-Asian) language support is installed by default on OS X. Not so on Windows side of things (it comes with the install discs as an extra package). I've been told that Firefox/Win tries to display the text nevertheless. Just as I thought. A little

Re: [WSG] legend wierdness in IE

BTW I have found this article: http://jeffcroft.com/blog/archives/2004/10/styling_fieldset_and_legend. php which talks about an IE underscore hack using: fieldset{position:relative} legend{position:relative;_top:-0.5em} Does anyone recommend using this in light of IE7? Thoughts, suggestions

[WSG] Valid alternative to textarea WRAP

Hi all Just wondering if there is an altenative to textarea wrap=soft (for e.g.) that validates. I have come across the following: textarea { overflow: auto; } but there appear to be some problems with it. Any other suggestions appreciated. Thanks Sarah -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Valid alternative to textarea WRAP

I'm modifying some of the Zen Cart code to ensure validation. The FF Tidy plugin gives a warning on the wrap attribute, and I'm hoping to do a find and replace to fix it. Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Just wondering if there is an altenative to textarea wrap=soft (for e.g.) that validates

Re: [WSG] hover div fill query

ivanovitch said: I didn't think that the full-width div color would be so tricky. Try using the following css: div.input{border-top: 1px dotted #999;border-right: 1px dotted #999;border-left: 1px dotted #999;} div.item {padding: 0;border-bottom: 1px dotted #999;margin: 0px; width: 100%;}

Re: [WSG] css title styles

Hi Andy Thank you for your input. Unfortunately the exact wording of the content (in this client's case) is legally required, and so the possibility of editing it, or the references, in any way is out of the question. I like the idea of linking back to the content once the reader has read the

[WSG] css title styles

Hi all I am trying to find a web standards compliant way of styling a title for a description of references within an article. Eg: sup title=Ernster L, Forsmark P amp; Nordenbrand K. (1992) The mode of action of lipid-soluble antioxidants in biological membranes. Relationship between the effects

Re: [WSG] css title styles

Dustin Thanks for your link - impressive titles! Just wondered, is it possible to have them degrade when javascript is disabled, so that at least in IE WIN (for eg) the user sees the normal title? At present, if I disable javascript in FF (mac) I don't get any titles at all. Regards Sarah --

Re: [WSG] css title styles

Hi Josh Thanks very much for your reply. I should have mentioned that we will also be listing the entire references in the footer as well. I was just looking for a way to give the user immediate feedback about each reference, and thought the title may be useful. The problem with linking back

[WSG] Footer Navigation

Hi all, I am interested to know what you think of duplicating navigation in the footer of a page. I have a client who has requested it, but I do not, as a rule, include duplicate links - I seem to recall there were some accessibility issues with duplicate navigation links for screen readers.

[WSG] Use of asterisk in ALT

Hi all I recently stumbled across a site (sorry lost the reference now) that made reference to the fact that an asterisk should be used inside an ALT attribute (eg alt=*) when the image is only used for presentation purposes. Apparantly this is helpful for screen readers. Can anyone reaffirm

Re: [WSG] Use of asterisk in ALT

Thank you for the update and link Patrick, that's good to know. It's an outdated piece of advice. Old screen readers did not cope with empty alts, so alt=* was suggested as a viable default: screen readers apparently didn't read that out on normal settings. However, nowadays the suggested

[WSG] Table versus 4 floated divs

Hi all I have a page at: http://www.xert.com.au/workshop/p77ji/ where I have used an isolated table to promote two products. Would it be better to use 4 floated div's here instead? I've not used that many in a row before... My css file is at:

[WSG] Body tag background color changes

Hi All Just wondering whether there was a way to include different body background colors (for different pages) within the same css file. For example #fff for page1.html, #ffc for page2.html etc. At present I have a separate style sheet for each page that requires a different background color.

Re: [WSG] Body tag background color changes

Thanks all for your lightning quick replies. I had tried some variation of these, but must have got it wrong somewhere. Much appreciated, Sarah G'day Just wondering whether there was a way to include different body background colors (for different pages) within the same css file. For

Re: Subject: Re: [WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

Hi Georg Not any closer to a real benefit from the IE6 mode-change itself, which is what I'm looking for. I hope Sarah who started this thread have found something useful in it. Myself: I don't think IE6' two modes matter much, although I do find it easier to handle complex pages with IE6

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

OK, I have now enabled full keyboard access (system preferences), but when I use the tab key in both sites listed below nothing happens. It is only when I hover over the area where the navigation should appear that each link appears. For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key

[WSG] Quirks mode vs Standards mode

Hi all, I am interested in people's thoughts about using quirks mode (ie adding ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? before the doctype) vs standards mode. What do most people use? Which option requires *less* css hacks, and is *more* standards compliant across the widest range of modern

[WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

HI all I have just come across a css tip at http://www.htmldog.com/guides/htmladvanced/links/ which involves a css method to render the 'skip navigation' link invisible. My question is: Does anyone else use this method, or another similar technique? Many sites I have seen *retain this link's

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Thank you Thierry, Lisa and Russ. Great points - I am new to accessibility, but your replies make great sense. Cheers Sarah :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for

Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility

Hi Rob For a compromise http://www.lionsq3.asn.au the tab key reveals the skip links. I have tried pressing the tab key, but the skip menu does not appear. Am I doing something wrong here? Am using a mac, if that makes any difference. **

Re: [WSG] Style part of form field

Hi Juergen Thanks for your reply. I am not familiar with this specification. Can you point me to a link or other info on this? you would need an own specification !ELEMENT option (#PCDATA | span)* then this would work. But not with the official things. Instead you may use some

RE: [WSG] Style part of form field

Hi Ted I saw a reference to styling optgroup within an option list on one of the resources. Try a google search for optgroup css. Thanks for this, but it's not exactly what I was looking for. The optgroup tag defines a group of options in a selectable list

[WSG] Style part of form field

Hi all I would like to be able to give a different style to *part* of an option field within a form. I cannot seem to find any reference to whether the following is possible: form select option value=somethingName span(with photo)/span/option option value=somethingName span(with

RE: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors

I recently attended a workshop on this very issue. 1. I now calibrate all my monitors (PC and Mac, LCD and CRT) at least once a month using Eye-One Display. 2. I have also changed my Macs to gamma 2.2 (rather than the obsolete 1.8) in line with PCs. These are the two main changes, and have

Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors

Hi David Cool. Did the workshop you attended offer any suggestions on how everyone else in the world can obtain the same output on their monitors as you have on yours? The two methods I listed (below) will go a long way towards addressing this. The Eye-One Display is very easy to use

Re: [WSG] Standards compliant site, clients wants to make updates themselves

Hi Bert The people I am trying to help want simple buttons to format text on static pages, not learn a new language (otherwise I'd teach them HTML). I haven't used this, but looked into it a while back, but it might provide a solution for some of your clients. Visit

RE: [WSG] Standards compliant site, clients wants to make updates themselves

Hi Peter I am really interested in Textpattern, but like many others want to retain XHTML/CSS validation when clients make changes. Another enthusiastic endorsement of Textpattern. I've used it a number of times in scenarios where the client wants to update the site themselves (see

Re: [WSG] standards for shopping carts

Hi Lisa Are there web standards for shopping carts? I'm looking for a secure cart. Perhaps this isn't the best list to post this question, but if there are standards regarding carts, you guys would certainly know! I use Zen Cart (it is written in XHTML 1.0, CSS) and is an excellent shoot

RE: [WSG] Redundant Code

Hi Mary Ann Seems as though everyone has pipped me to the post! I printed out your test site because I thought it was so very clean and attractive and I wanted to study your use of styles in creating it. You (and others) may be interested in the following links which have helped me with this

Re: [WSG] Redundant Code

Hi Russ Thanks very much for your reply. The most powerful way to achieve this (but not supported by IE) would be to use adjacent sibling selectors so no classes were used at all. For example: #subnav ul li, #subnav ul li + li { background: yellow; } #subnav ul li + li + li, #subnav ul li

[WSG] Redundant Code

Hello all I have a test site http://www.bureke.com.au/test/index.html which is valid XHTML/CSS. The style sheet is here: http://www.bureke.com.au/test/styles/global.css In order for it to work cross-platform (I have tested on Firefox, IE5, IE5.5, and IE6 on the PC, and Firefox, Safari and

Re: [WSG] Redundant Code

Hi Siggy Thanks for your reply. ul liSub Heading 1 ul lia href=/Category 1/a/li lia href=/Category 2/a/li lia href=/Category 3/a/li lia href=/Category 4/a/li lia href=/Category 5/a/li lia href=/Category 6/a/li /ul /li liSub Heading 2/li liSub Heading

Re: [WSG] Redundant Code

Siggy See below: I think what you and I are both really waiting for is XHTML2; except we need to wait for browsers and W3C to adopt it :P http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-list.html#edef_list_nl nl labelContents /label li href=#introductionIntroduction/li li nl

Re: [WSG] Help centering footer IE6

Hi Bert Thanks for your suggestion. I tested that by removing all the floats, positioning and display:inline (with the web developer toolbar in Firefox) and it made no visible difference to the layout. I have included these elements for a couple of other pages, namely:

Re: [WSG] Help centering footer IE6

Thanks Bert In quirks mode, that means the footer is only a total of 698px wide (with the padding subtracted to get inside width). In standards mode (as with Firefox and Opera), left and right padding is added to that figure, for a total width of 728px. I have removed the left and right

[WSG] Form field validation query

Hi Folks Have a validation error (this link over *two* lines): http://www.htmlhelp.com/cgi-bin/validate.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xert.org%2Fwarnings=yesspider= yeshidevalid=yes on this page of my site: http://www.xert.org/contact/index.php?formtype=personalsubmit=Display+Form I am using php to

RE: [WSG] IE img border padding error

Hi Bert Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not quite a CSS expert, but I'm not sure that images, being replaced elements can officially have padding, since padding goes inside the element I am following, to some degree, Russ' tutorial:

RE: [WSG] IE img border padding error

Hi again I am following, to some degree, Russ' tutorial: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0208.htm So it is possible to style an image to have padding and a border. I don't see image padding mentioned, at least not on that page. The CSS code on Russ' tutorial highlights

Re: [WSG] IE img border padding error

Hi Charlie RE: http://www.xert.com.au/workshop/pbyron628/ Just have time for a quick glance, but I think it looks nice, it validates, and it doesn't have unintelligible markup so my screen reader doesn't struggle with it. Just to make sure, you're not going to keep the Heading Two,

[WSG] IE img border padding error

Hi all Was wondering if someone has some time to check out this *in progress* page I'm working on: http://www.xert.com.au/workshop/pbyron628/ I have validated the XHTML and CSS and it appears to be OK on Firefox, Safari, NS 7.0, Opera 7.5, IE Mac 5.2.3, but NOT in IE Win 6. The problem is

Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor

, and it's not completely free. Patrick Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Hi all Can anyone recommend a browser based editor (preferably written in PHP) that will allow clients to update code themselves, but that outputs standards compliant XHTML? I am not interested in a full CMS, this is just for updating

[WSG] Online browser XTHML editor

Hi all Can anyone recommend a browser based editor (preferably written in PHP) that will allow clients to update code themselves, but that outputs standards compliant XHTML? I am not interested in a full CMS, this is just for updating page snippets etc. I have come across WYSIWYG Pro which

Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor

/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Hi all Can anyone recommend a browser based editor (preferably written in PHP) that will allow clients to update code themselves, but that outputs standards compliant XHTML? I am not interested in a full CMS

Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor

interesting from the looks of it. If you are running something on a client machine then PHP will not work (it's a server side script) unless you have the PHP interpeter installed somehow in your browser (http://mozphp.mozdev.org/, http://www.thomas-schilz.de/MozPHP/) :D. HTH Cheers James Sarah Peeke

RE: [WSG] Site Check / Improvements

is a good em size for the body tag), and why should there be such a contrast from one platform to another. Sarah Hi Sarah , Nice site. Just had a quick look and the only thing I picked was no-text re-sizing in IE6. Have you tried using ems. Michael From: Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED

[WSG] Site Live

Hi all Just a quick update to say that http://www.xert.org/ is now live. Many thanks for all the feedback, both on and off line. Any other feedback regarding usability, standards, accessibility etc most welcome. Thanks! Sarah -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xert.com.au

[WSG] Site Check / Improvements

I would appreciate feedback on the following (personal) site (please disregard previous posting): http://www.bureke.com.au/ (temporary address) The main CSS page is at: http://www.bureke.com.au/styles/global.css The site is valid XHTML 1.0 and CSS. I have checked on WIN IE 5.0 and 6, Safari

[WSG] WIN IE 5.0 6 CSS quirks

Hi all, Long time member, very few posts, but have enjoyed reading all of yours, and am grateful for all the insights. Thanks also to Russ for his presentations which have got me out of numerous sticky situations! I would appreciate feedback on the following (personal) site: