Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-07 Thread Tony Crockford
On 7 Sep 2007, at 00:39, Felix Miata wrote: On 2007/09/06 20:42 (GMT+0100) Tony Crockford apparently typed: so, what happens if a user has their default font set larger than the browser default in this case? Can't happen. Browser default == user default. :-p You *know* I meant

Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 7/9/07 (07:50) Tony said: I've been using CSS for seven years or more and I'm trying to adopt best practice in a pragmatic way, which means I can't deliver my clients sites with excessively large fonts - they are trying to design interfaces that look attractive and create income for

Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-07 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
On 07-Sep-07, at 3:01 PM, Rick Lecoat wrote: On 7/9/07 (07:50) Tony said: I've been using CSS for seven years or more and I'm trying to adopt best practice in a pragmatic way, which means I can't deliver my clients sites with excessively large fonts - they are trying to design interfaces that

Re: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Diego La Monica
I suggest to use for the default lang the language which starts the body: the first word is english or chinese? And for each section that is in the other language (that not is the default) you should specify the other language. I hope it will be hopefull. -- Diego La Monica Web:

Re: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
I did read about this somewhere, I thought the guidelines touched upon it. Patrick Lauke wrote: Tee G. Peng I am working on a bilingual site (chinese/english) that needs to pass at least WCAG AA, the site is UTF-8 charset and I didn't use lang attribute in the meta because it's a

RE: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Patrick Lauke
Tee G. Peng I am working on a bilingual site (chinese/english) that needs to pass at least WCAG AA, the site is UTF-8 charset and I didn't use lang attribute in the meta because it's a bilingual site. [...] What do you propose I should do to make the 'failure' goes away? Is every page

Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 7/9/07 (11:50) Rahul said: Try the Chelsea Creek Studio: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ I particularly like this one: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/site/gustave/index.html Yes, both fine designs. (I was simply pulling my example sites from the list of those that had been proffered

[WSG] Browser Check

2007-09-07 Thread jcolon82
Browser check for the following site: http://www.condometropolis.com/buy_orlando_condos.php?Name=action=searchSubmit=Browse+All+Condos!first=yes I've checked on IE 6 and Firefox 2.0.0.9. One strange thing is that the absolutely positioned divs in the relative container aren't were they should be

[WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Tee G. Peng
I am working on a bilingual site (chinese/english) that needs to pass at least WCAG AA, the site is UTF-8 charset and I didn't use lang attribute in the meta because it's a bilingual site. and I am getting this error on Priority 3 Verification Checklist: 4.3 Identify the primary natural

Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-07 Thread Tony Crockford
On 7 Sep 2007, at 00:03, Felix Miata wrote: Don't what? Don't understand your instruction? Don't believe your instruction? Don't let you try to instruct them? Don't look at the good example sites you offer them? ? ? ? yes to all of those. most real world clients I am aware of are being

Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-07 Thread Stuart Foulstone
On Fri, September 7, 2007 11:50 am, Rahul Gonsalves wrote: Try the Chelsea Creek Studio: http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ The text size may be OK but the lack of contast in the page header definitely fails accessibilty standards. Stuart

Re: [WSG] Font sizing: top down or bottom up

2007-09-07 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 7/9/07 (07:50) Tony said: and talking of UI, why are we fighting for 16px fonts in browsers when most UI text is much smaller? I believe that the reasoning here draws a distinction between UI elements and 'content'. UI elements become familiar through their unchanging nature (every time I

Re: [WSG] Browser Check

2007-09-07 Thread Joseph Taylor
Jorge, The site looks good. You might want to start by fixing the 246 validation errors in your HTML just on that pageno offense intended. The other pages have similar issues too. (Firefox 2 on Mac) There are a couple nested tag closure issues, which could well be your problem with the

Re: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Tee G. Peng
Patrick, Diego Jixor, thank you. Is every page on your site in both chinese and english, all in one page? Some pages contain two languages and that was the reason I thought 'lang=en' isn't quite appropriate. I guess I must draw the dice and pick one. According to WCAG 1.0: 4.3 Identify

RE: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Some pages contain two languages and that was the reason I thought 'lang=en' isn't quite appropriate. ... Up till this point, the whole purpose of lang attribute is at fault. Will WCAG2 amend this or perhaps introduce a new attribute for bilingual site? Hi Tee, Personally I think

Re: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Tee G. Peng
Hi Kepler, Personally I think it is an accessibility issue to mix two languages on the same page. I am not sure about this, I don't find it an issue at all, due to my background it's actually a rather common thing to read/speak two different langagues in a single conversation/page. If

RE: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-07 Thread Kepler Gelotte
Wow!! Powered by Zencart! I know it's not ready for production environment, but did you check the Magento? Yes, I did look at Magneto briefly. I like their checkout screen much better than ZenCart's checkout process, but when I saw it was still Beta I decided I needed something more stable.

[WSG] XHTML+Voice

2007-09-07 Thread Tee G. Peng
Has anybody done this on your (and client) site yet? It's showing up on Opera site, so I reckon it's supported for 9.50 Alpha? And Safri Beta 3 too? http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/xhtml-voice-by-example/ tee *** List

Re: [WSG] Browser Check

2007-09-07 Thread Christian Montoya
On 9/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Browser check for the following site: http://www.condometropolis.com/buy_orlando_condos.php?Name=action=searchSubmit=Browse+All+Condos!first=yes Sorry to be off-topic, but is that domain name set in stone? Reading it left to right can be

Re: [WSG] XHTML+Voice

2007-09-07 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Sep 8, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote: It's showing up on Opera site, so I reckon it's supported for 9.50 Alpha? And Safri Beta 3 too? http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/xhtml-voice-by-example/ That page doesn't work as described on Safari, seen from here (latest WebKit nightly

Re: [WSG] XHTML+Voice

2007-09-07 Thread Tee G. Peng
Hi Philippe, a quick question before I forgot to ask. A bit off-topic: yes I use VoiceOver sometimes; the built-in voice options are awful, so far Vicki is the only one I can listen for more than 15 mintues. I'd been wanting to purhcase a pleasant voice sample but don't know where to look.

Re: [WSG] Browser Check

2007-09-07 Thread jcolon82
Yep, it's set in stone. They have nearly 3k unique visitors per month. I guess it's really not affecting the traffic. Jorge Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Browser check for the following site: