[WSG] Missing Icon and strange Legend margin in IE7

2008-11-24 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Hello All - Got a project that's set for deployment Dec 1 and was just cleaning up a few bits and pieces when I noticed a few small anomalies that - after hours of trying - I can't figure out. First, go here with FF: http://www.koisis.com/.clients/asdem/dev/index.php?cmd=004004 You'll notice

Re: [WSG] Missing Icon and strange Legend margin in IE7

2008-11-24 Thread Robert O'Rourke
Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hello All - ... First, go here with FF: http://www.koisis.com/.clients/asdem/dev/index.php?cmd=004004 You'll notice in the UL a heading called Getting Help. In that the single LI that follows there's a little question-mark icon (which sit's in a span tag). That's the way

[WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Hello, My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top menu/color/images/table/..gently *grin In IE the page color is white so need to find how to get the correct color. This color works in FF ok - #172228 I am working in DW8 on

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Peter Mount
Hi What's the url? -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 24/11/2008, at 9:55 PM, kate wrote: Hello, My first attempt at Web design but only first step to any design and wondered what you think so far as to: Top

[WSG] Sorry Link

2008-11-24 Thread kate
http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Thanks, sorry I forgot the link in my earlier mail. Kate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] Sorry Link

2008-11-24 Thread Peter Mount
Hi You might want to look at this tutorial by Drew Mclellan at: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/dreamweaver/extreme/five_steps.html You don't need DreamWeaver to do it. -- Peter Mount Web Development for Business Mobile: 0411 276602 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.petermount.com On 24/11/2008, at

Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared

2008-11-24 Thread Robert O'Rourke
tee wrote: I am trying to optimize a site, though the file sizes of the overall images aren't so much of a problem but the http requests. So I am attempting to put 10 icons in one gif file, the individual icon size is merely 600b and the dimension is 18px by 12px. I made a 18px by 150px to

Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared

2008-11-24 Thread Dennis Suitters
Check out http://www.alistapart.com/articles/sprites and http://www.alistapart.com/articles/sprites2 I think this what your trying to achieve, or at least close to either one of those articles. I haven't played much with horizontal sprite images, but usually use vertical ones, and I

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Hello Peter, I followed with another messge for the link but here it is: http://www.jungaling.com/katalinadesigns/index.html Sorry.! Kate - Original Message - From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WSG]

RE: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Rachel Radford
Hi Kate, For a first webpage you're doing pretty well - you have some images there and have changed the background colour and text colour on the page. However, using the Dreamweaver design view approach will not give you the best end results, or teach you the best practices. Peter's link gives

Re: [WSG] Web governance

2008-11-24 Thread Mary Krieger
Here I am writing from the other side of the fence. I find that some of the barriers to communication are rooted in the two different 'cultures' of the two streams. I recently had to work with a admittedly junior web developer to upgrade static HTML pages associated with a web application

Re: [WSG] Web governance

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 24, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Andrew R wrote: Can anyone give me some pointers, do have something that works in your organsiation, etc? I'm afraid I can't offer help, just let you know I'm another companion in pain. This is a problem that seems to be almost universal, in organizations

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Todd Budnikas
As someone who hasn't opened dreamweaver in years and codes css and xhtml by hand, but learned to build websites in Dreamweaver, I would say Rachel's approach might be difficult for some. This being your first website Kate, I would say to use some of the better tools Dreamweaver offers and

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Hi Rachel, Many thanks for your positive imput which gives me some incentive to carry this through. I have listened, looked and watch for answers to questions on one or two lists and feel maybe I am ready to wet toes (not feet yet) and venture into Web design to see how my first one goes. I

RE: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared

2008-11-24 Thread michael.brockington
If I remember rightly if you are able to save the image with a transparent background it keeps the file size lower because a transparent pixel takes less space than a pixel with colour information. It may be possible to get better compression on a file that contains lots of pixels of the

Re: [WSG] your best practise for CSS sprites for elements that have no height declared

2008-11-24 Thread Brett Patterson
Yes, and colors in a row or horizontal line, so to speak, compress better depending on the compression mechanism. Just say that jpeg files read/compress horizontal, and gif files read/compress vertical, not sure if that is exactly correct, just an example. But iii (if the size is 1 pixel wide

Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-24 Thread David Dorward
Brett Patterson wrote: I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is read first! Are scripts or styles read first? And which is the recommended order to list them? Styles or Scripts first? They are read in whatever ever the browser reaches them. Scripts pause parsing of

Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-24 Thread Christian Snodgrass
Brett Patterson wrote: I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is read first! Are scripts or styles read first? And which is the recommended order to list them? Styles or Scripts first? -- Brett P. ***

Re: [WSG] Sorry Link

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Thanks for the links Peter, Kate - Original Message - From: Peter Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Sorry Link Hi You might want to look at this tutorial by Drew Mclellan at:

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote: Wow! You hand code For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only way available if you want to get it right... ...although its a long road Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply, and follow the excellent advice

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Brett Patterson
As someone who has read the post, in Dreamweaver 8, to follow along with Todd's statement, choose (File -- New) and under the General tab choose Starter Pages. You may choose from the list DW8 has. The rest I agree with. Try learning some of the code from the pre-existing sites, modify one section

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Hi Brett, Yes, I have sen the starter pages , thanks. I also like the 3 column left nav because remember that awesome menu that Macromedia did? Well, you get that with that 3 column. I know you can buy it from Adobe too. Now the starter pages and the page designs CSS I was never sure if we

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Kate
quote Todd As someone who hasn't opened dreamweaver in years and codes css and xhtml by hand end quote Wow! You hand code. Well Todd I salute you. Thanks for the feedback and advice and although its a long road I am not afraid to try what I have set out to achieve given time. There is a lot

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Bruce
Andrew November 24, 2008 10:59 AM On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Kate wrote: Wow! You hand code For now, and I think, the foreseeable future, this is still the only way available if you want to get it right... ...although its a long road Yes it is! But worth it, and if you start simply,

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Thanks Bruce, Best viewed lolol was funny to read because about three years ago someone created an awesome site for me with Wordpress. He worked the China Red theme and wrote nin the sidebar best viewed in IE5 or higher. I never knew then about testing in different browsers and I really

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Bruce
kate wrote: Thanks Bruce, Best viewed lolol was funny to read because about three years ago someone created an awesome site for me with Wordpress. He worked the China Red theme and wrote nin the sidebar best viewed in IE5 or higher. I never knew then about testing in different browsers

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Kate wrote: Wow! You hand code. You realize many people started developing web sites before anything like DreamWeaver even existed -- when the *only* option was opening up a file in vi or emacs or whatever text editor and hand coding? It's not rocket science, honest. And the sooner you throw

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Bruce
kate wrote: Wow Bruce, I transferred my code from Dreamweaver to Notepad gave it the .index.html and bingo even images..wow my giddy aunt I am amazed. lolol Positive from this is no upgrades for Dreamweaver. Kate wow my giddy aunt I am amazed. This statement is destined to go down in

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Ron Zisman
kate, thought i'd throw in my two cents. firstly i was in your position a couple years ago, using dreamweaver. at a certain point i realized i didn't know what i was doing or what was going wrong when things didn't view properly. i hadn't heard anything about box models, didn't know what

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Hya Ron, Thanks for the link to Opera, I did dl the software two weeks ago and have an Opera blog but don't have time to do much with it. The link will be great though. At this moment I am trying to understand by looking at the code why my swf works just fine in Swish and DW but is a

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Thanks Hassan, I am trying to create with notepad the images are fine as is the text but testing a swf which refuses to show anything but a white space. I believe there is a problem with swf in IE and FF. All good things come to those that wait so they tell me. Everyone has been very kind

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Maben
On Nov 24, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Bruce wrote: Hopefully this can get back on web standards topic... ...might be a good moment to remember a previous thread re: standards and swf. I'm sorry not to remember who provided this link, but I've found it invaluable:

Re: [WSG] Which is read first? Scripts or Styles?

2008-11-24 Thread Dave Hall
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 10:24 -0500, Brett Patterson wrote: I have no idea why, but for some reason I cannot remember which is read first! Are scripts or styles read first? As others have mentioned, they are read in the order they occur in the document. And which is the recommended order to

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread kate
Thanks Bruce Agree BOT, I can now from the help get learning. Thankyou! Kate - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] First Attempt kate wrote: Thanks Hassan, I am trying to create

Re: HTML reached end of life?? (Was: Re: [WSG] Sorry Link)

2008-11-24 Thread Christian Snodgrass
That is most definitely incorrect. HTML5 is in development as we speak. HTML is far from the end of it's life. rch lib wrote: Hi, I took a look at that Drew Mclellan article. He says: Step 3: Future-proof your site with XHTML HTML has reached the end of its life and is no longer being

Re: HTML reached end of life?? (Was: Re: [WSG] Sorry Link)

2008-11-24 Thread Christian Montoya
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:28 PM, rch lib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I took a look at that Drew Mclellan article. He says: Step 3: Future-proof your site with XHTML HTML has reached the end of its life and is no longer being developed as a mark-up language. Its replacement is Extensible

Re: HTML reached end of life?? (Was: Re: [WSG] Sorry Link)

2008-11-24 Thread Marko Mrdjenovic
Quite sure this was written when xhtml seemed to be the only way forward as xhtml 2 was the only thing being developed. Things change. fry Christian Montoya wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:28 PM, rch lib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I took a look at that Drew Mclellan article. He says:

RE: [WSG] Missing Icon and strange Legend margin in IE7

2008-11-24 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Robert - Thanks for the legend fix: perfect! No hits on the vanishing span icon so I'm re-posting that under an amended title. Thanks very much for the help with the Legend! Cole -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert O'Rourke Sent:

[WSG] Vanishing icon within a Span Element in IE7

2008-11-24 Thread Cole Kuryakin
Hello All - I've got an icon set as a background image within a span element which shows up as expected in FF, but vanishes under IE7. First, go here with FF: http://www.koisis.com/.clients/asdem/dev/index.php?cmd=004004 Under FireFox, you'll see the little question-mark icon in the line under

Re: HTML reached end of life?? (Was: Re: [WSG] Sorry Link)

2008-11-24 Thread rch lib
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet! ... Things change ... yes, well, I do realise that. The point is, that a newbie was directed to this resource, and it's clearly outdated (and it made me do a double-take when I read it). I didn't want her to go there, read that, and go what

Re: [WSG] First Attempt

2008-11-24 Thread Mustafa Quilon
Well, I started with Dreamweaver's design view, since, that was what I was thought. My first site was a table crap :) I didn't know what was going on. I decided to learn the nuts bolts of HTML. My next site was table based but with a valid code. Then, I joined various lists, communities and saw