RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Somaya Langley Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 4:08 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1 Hi All - I'm putting together a template for a contents list page for the National Library of Australia's online

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Geoff Pack
Paul Noone wrote: Also, and I'll probably get lynched for this but the following should also work in a transiational doctype. ol li value=40/li ... Not for using it, just for not quoting it properly ;) ** The discussion

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Can someone explain why this incredibly useful attribute: ol li value=40/li is deprecated, or is it? C On Nov 23, 2005, at 3:44 PM, Geoff Pack wrote: Paul Noone wrote: Also, and I'll probably get lynched for this but the following should also work in a transiational doctype.

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Somaya Langley
Thanks guys. Javascript is out, as our internal NLA standards try to avoid where possible. Value attribute falls into the same category as the start attribute... Yes, theoretically you can do things with the counter in CSS, but to actually do anything meaningful, CSS would really need to be a

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Jon Tan
Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain why this incredibly useful attribute: ol li value=40/li is deprecated, or is it? It is depreciated ( http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html) although it is not obselete therefore will still be supported for backward

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Somaya Langley
: Thursday, 24 November 2005 12:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1 Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain why this incredibly useful attribute: ol li value=40/li is deprecated

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Richard Czeiger
There's also the idea that legal documents are often split into sections which continue numbering but are infact separate documents (addendums, etc...) . At the moment, legal docs can't be semantically marked-up (at least in OZ) because: 1. any electonic version of a legal document MUST

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread matt andrews
On 23/11/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Bert - use the start attribute and a transitional dtd. It's cleaner, more concise, and captures exactly the semantics of what you are doing. You don't need the div around the text info though. Of course you could always write

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread heretic
the first, for example: ol start=40 li divtext info in here/div /li What do people suggest? I'd vote for: ol start=40 litext info in here/li /ol I think the specs should not have deprecated the attribute - breaking up huge lists into separate pages is entirely legit, which means the

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Jon Tan
. Jon Tan www.gr0w.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Tan Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2005 12:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1 Chris Kennon [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
ordered lists from a number other than 1 Somaya Langley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]* the way that's been selected is to show a thumbnail icon and the title or some descriptive metadata (similar to search results pages on the site: http://www.musicaustralia.org) If the ol is just to place

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Peter J. Farrell
matt andrews wrote: Agree with Bert and Geoff here. The dropping of 'start' attribute from strict DTD was, and is, a controversial W3C decision - one with which I disagree, personally. There are plenty of plausible and sensible scenarios for having an ordered list start with something other

[WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-22 Thread Somaya Langley
Hi All - I'm putting together a template for a contents list page for the National Library of Australia's online pictures delivery system. We need to start an ordered list on a page from a number other than 1, as the lists could be quite long and so will be chunked into a set per page. There

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-22 Thread Kevin Yank
lists from a number other than 1 Hi All - I'm putting together a template for a contents list page for the National Library of Australia's online pictures delivery system. We need to start an ordered list on a page from a number other than 1, as the lists could be quite long and so

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-22 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day We need to start an ordered list on a page from a number other than 1, as the lists could be quite long and so will be chunked into a set per page. ... What do people suggest? Use a transitional DTD (whether XHTML or HTML) so you can use the start attribute while keeping the

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-22 Thread Geoff Pack
I agree with Bert - use the start attribute and a transitional dtd. It's cleaner, more concise, and captures exactly the semantics of what you are doing. You don't need the div around the text info though. Of course you could always write out the first 39 empty list-items and hide them :)