Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps

] On Behalf Of Jason KG4WSV Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:42 AM To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 10:23 PM, Skyler F <electricity...@gmail.com> wrote: > So the ultimate solution for the raspberry pi fo

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I have taken Xastir to demo at a Hamfest each year on our Linux Group stand for about 10 years now and always is popular to hams discovering APRS and those who who maybe looking to move on from Uiview. Off-line use is a real gotcha, especially to people who might just be coping with a new OS as

Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps

In reply to Dave H I can confirm this script works for downloading tiles. Like everyone else said use caution -- tile policy. It looks like there is no policy on the Mapquest open maps, however, so you could download more of those. Documentation

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On 2015-11-19 1508, Curt Mills wrote: They're not dead, they just switched to ESRI Shapefile format, which works fine for Xastir. I was tempted to say "mostly dead" to see if anyone knew the movie reference. It was a movie!? _Now_ I find out. --- (Billy Crystal as) Miracle Max: He probably

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As for "does the speed matter that much": I'm not sure if the difference is actually significant, but when you're watching maps redraw while the voice operator is waiting for you to tell him which medical unit is closest to the accident that just happened on the bike route, it sure _feels_ like

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Those are the magic words. "done locally no network needed)  :-)  Kurt KC9LDH From: Andrew Errington <erringt...@gmail.com> To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion <xastir@lists.xastir.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script t

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Hey Curt, Could you send us a screen capture of what your rendered ESRI Shapefile data looks like? I personally don't necessarily need ultra pretty tiles but I definitely don't need the complexity and resource hungry requirements of setting up a local tile server. If my old little Garmin

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Yea. Here are several, but it looks like I don't have OSM data on the work machine. I do however have Tiger 2004 ESRI Shapefile format maps, so I enabled those and did several snapshots. Looks like I might need to do some local tweaks to get better looking fonts, but these render fast! Of course

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:59 PM, David Ranch wrote: > > None of the attachments made it through but I can wait for the OSM specific > ones. Tigermaps is dead and has been dead for some time now so there isn't > much point to talk about it to new(ish) users like me. Do you

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What he said... I prefer the fastest/smallest vector dataset that will do the job. It may not be the prettiest when rendered, but I'm more interested in useful data and ultimate speed than "pretty". For me that currently means OSM vector data in ESRI Shapefile format, with the appropriate

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The scaling and numbering work pretty much the same across all systems. Some have the Y axis south positive, and some have it north positive. Scaling is the same, and they all use the Google spherical Mercator projection. Hal N3YX > On Nov 19, 2015, at 2:04 PM, Skyler Fennell

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Skyler Fennell Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 5:05 PM To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps Is the tiling system with the zoom/x/y.png standard for non OSM like the ArcGIS topo? Does this system work cross between maps, ex. Does 5/5/5.png

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Do you mean like these? https://www.census.gov/geo/maps-data/data/tiger.html They're not dead, they just switched to ESRI Shapefile format, which works fine for Xastir. Oh interesting! So is it that the online TigerMaps just became non-free or something like that and only later with

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> Best regards, > Fred N7FMH > > > > -Original Message- > From: xastir-boun...@lists.xastir.org > [mailto:xastir-boun...@lists.xastir.org] On Behalf Of Jason KG4WSV > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:42 AM > To: Xastir - APRS client software discu

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Curt, did you intend to attach pictures or a link? I don't see anything. Do you find the quad- core actually makes a difference? Years ago I looked at parallelizing the shapefile rendering, but I never found a way that wasn't more invasive than i was willing to undertake. - Jason On Thu, Nov

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According to GMail here I added 3 attachments. Don't know why you're not seeing them. Regarding the quad-core: It will use one heavily while rendering the maps, while the other cores do other Linux stuff and stay out of the way. So it's nice to have at least 2 cores for that reason. On Thu, Nov

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Hey Curt, None of the attachments made it through but I can wait for the OSM specific ones. Tigermaps is dead and has been dead for some time now so there isn't much point to talk about it to new(ish) users like me. --David KI6ZHD On 11/19/2015 02:16 PM, Curt Mills wrote: Yea. Here are

Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps

-boun...@lists.xastir.org [mailto:xastir-boun...@lists.xastir.org] On Behalf Of Curt Mills Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:44 PM To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps What he said... I prefer the fastest/smallest vector dataset that will do

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I did this https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/building-a-tile -server-from-packages/ On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:32 AM, Hal Mueller wrote: > What stack are you using to set up the server? > > Hal N3YX > > > On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Skyler F

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Surely the ultimate solution is to download vector data and have a well-written dbfawk which shows the elements you are most interested in? Vector data takes up much less space than tiles, and setting up a tile server is not actually straightforward (plus, you have to download the vector data to

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> > Interesting.. so I wonder: > > - Where you would need to run that program in to places the files in the > correct Xastir path > ~/.xastir/OSMtiles/mapnik/ > > - Would the resulting files be in the proper format to Xastir to use them > looks like it since it writes png and Xastir

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Xastir - APRS client software discussion <xastir@lists.xastir.org> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Hal Mueller <h...@seanet.com> wrote: > The point of using a tile server is to leverage the a

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Kurt wrote: > The Tiger maps from '06 and the Cloudmade '08 maps were dropins forXastir > in the past but not longer available. > Geofabrik has shapefiles that appear (from looking at the download page) similar to the old cloudmade. I'm

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I am having terrible issues with trying to get the tile server working. I will keep trying to get it to work. I think it might be very practical for hams to use for public safety events. In particular, I have the localhost setup fine, but the maps won't show, its just pink tiles with no content

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What stack are you using to set up the server? Hal N3YX > On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Skyler F wrote: > > am having terrible issues with trying to get the tile server working. ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org

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Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Skyler F <electricity...@gmail.com> wrote: > Finding where I will need maps, and then viewing the maps that I need to > cover for the event. > > On Wed,

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Ian Bennett wrote: > Has anyone installed this using the installation instructions on the > website?? I No, but I did grab the source and hack at it the usual perl way (I use perl in my day job). bash$ wget

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Kurt wrote: > One comment here is that OSM map tiles can be downloaded in one form or > another.I downloaded 11Gb of north american data osm.bz2 over a high speed > link over the weekendin a few hours from Geofabrik. Looks like Geofabric

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FYI: I use Shapefile OSM data I downloaded quite a while back from CloudMade. I don't use tiles for offline use. On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Jason KG4WSV wrote: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Kurt wrote: > >> One comment here is that OSM map

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Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps FYI: I use Shapefile OSM data I downloaded quite a while back from CloudMade. I don't use tiles for offline use. On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Jason KG4WSV <kg4...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Kurt <ksav

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ent: Monday, November 16, 2015 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps > > FYI: I use Shapefile OSM data I downloaded quite a while back from > CloudMade. I don't use tiles for offline use. > > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Jason KG4WSV <kg4...@

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I might be wrong but I think the purpose of a tile server is to eliminate main server stress. A tile server converts shape file data into pretty tiles, so all you need to do is download the raw data, not the images. Kd0whb > On Nov 16, 2015, at 12:36 PM, David Ranch

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:58 PM, David Ranch wrote: > Ok.. so this is was part of the detail that I'm not familiar with and why > I asked what that 11GB of data really consists of. > IIRC it is OSM vector data for some or all of the united states. My stash of vector data is

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16, 2015 2:12 PM To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps It looks like creating a tile server might be the way to go if one has enough memory / storage. Who has experience with this, and can point me in the right direction for setting it up

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Hello Jason, You missed the initial post and you have fallen for the "everyone is always online", "bandwidth is plentiful", and "bandwidth is free" fallacies. Ha.. no, I do understand the goal here and I too don't want to have to be 100% online with a *very* fast Internet connection to

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If the goal is to make tiles available for offline use, I don't understand why creating a NEW tile server help us achieve the goal other than avoid OpenStreetMap's abuse clause. To me, I would think that if we come up with an automated way to download current OSM tiles *and* then allow

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:36 PM, David Ranch wrote: > If the goal is to make tiles available for offline use, I don't understand > why creating a NEW tile server help us achieve the goal other than avoid > OpenStreetMap's abuse clause. > for starters, you can take it with

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:36 AM, David Ranch wrote: > > Could these tile archives be stored be the > current xastir.org server? To minimize bandwidth issues, maybe downloads can > be restricted to specific "trusted" Xastir accounts/passwords/whatever? The VM only has 20GB of

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Hal Mueller wrote: > The point of using a tile server is to leverage the amount of work already > devoted to making beautiful maps, rendered quickly, and to serve them > efficiently. It also keeps APRS (and other) clients from having to get into

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In the FOSS4G (free/opensource software for geospatial) world, there are two leading map renderers, MapServer and Mapnik. Both of those can be configure to render and serve tiles conforming to the spherical Mercator tiling scheme used by Google, Apple, Mapquest, OSM, and others. Both packages

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​https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/Geo-OSM-Tiles/downloadosmtiles.pl Looks like there's an existing script ​that can download OSM tiles. I have not tried it, and if it works I would use with care given the tile usage policy. Interesting.. so I wonder: - Where you would need to run

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Has anyone installed this using the installation instructions on the website?? I get "Couldn't find module or a distribution downloadosmtiles.pl" messages for both methods. Ian VK1IAN On 16/11/15 03:58, Lee Bengston wrote: > >

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 9:49 PM, Skyler F wrote: > Finding where I will need maps, and then viewing the maps that I need to > cover for the event. > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Floyd Rodgers wrote: > > > So can you explain what you do by hand?

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What is mapquests policy? On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) < ldeff...@homeside.to> wrote: > See specifically: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy > > You really don't want the following image to appear for every tile > requested by xastir for all users:

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I think if Skyler's script automation was slow enough, it shouldn't be a terms violation. It specifically says "significant areas of tiles at zoom levels of 17 and higher". It's unclear what "significant" is. Maybe we should reach out to their Sysadmins to get some clarification? I

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A couple of years ago I had setup my own tile server on my computer and pointed at xastir at localhost. (I downloaded the OSM data for just my state.) It worked well, but took a little bit of effort to get going. It was long enough ago I can't point to directions, but I'm guessing with some

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See specifically: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy You really don't want the following image to appear for every tile requested by xastir for all users: On 11/10/2015 11:06 PM, Jason KG4WSV wrote: On Nov 10, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Skyler F wrote:

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So can you explain what you do by hand? On 11/11/2015 3:08 PM, Skyler Fennell wrote: The only reason why I want a script is so I can have a computer do what I do by hand and have a reliable way to keep the maps. Like I said I am not planning on causing any more server stress then I already

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Finding where I will need maps, and then viewing the maps that I need to cover for the event. On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Floyd Rodgers wrote: > So can you explain what you do by hand? > > > On 11/11/2015 3:08 PM, Skyler Fennell wrote: > >> The only reason why I want a

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Two things, One, I know of an app that applies a google maps watermark across the maps when used offline.  Still very usable.Is "supposed" to not violate anything. Second, there needs to be some straight forward instructions for "morons" (such as myself) for creating some type of usable mapset

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The only reason why I want a script is so I can have a computer do what I do by hand and have a reliable way to keep the maps. Like I said I am not planning on causing any more server stress then I already do by simply downloading the maps at the certain zoom level I need on a small area where

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ftware discussion <xastir@lists.xastir.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps The only reason why I want a script is so I can have a computer do what I do by hand and have a reliable way to keep the maps. Like I said I am not planning on

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of legerdemain to get them to work. Kurt KC9LDH From: Skyler F <electricity...@gmail.com> To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion <Xastir@lists.xastir.org> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:09 AM Subject: [Xastir] Script to cache some maps Yes, I know it is bad to download a

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for Xastir without having to do a bunch of > legerdemain to get them to work. > Kurt KC9LDH > From: Skyler F <electricity...@gmail.com> > To: Xastir - APRS client software discussion <Xastir@lists.xastir.org> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:09 AM > Subject: [X

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> On Nov 10, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Skyler F wrote: > > I don't see why nobody just puts together an easy script, or even builds it > in xastir to Download (not store it on the cache) the tile maps. Because it violates the terms of service for many (most?) map servers.

[Xastir] Script to cache some maps

Yes, I know it is bad to download a lot of tile maps, and that is not my intention, just need a certain area for different APRS events. I am getting sick of going over the whole course in every zoom level I want every time I want to use APRS offline. I then have to double check offline to make