Re: [Zen] Just curious...

2008-10-02 Thread roloro1557
Hi Edgar, I've done a little fiction, but this is not my favorite or my best. My best stuff is non-fiction investigative stuff. Lets see... I've done lots of work on genetically engineered food. I've done some exposes of local dirty politics and politicians, this is the work I'm especially proud

[Zen] Re: women zen

2008-10-02 Thread roloro1557
Hi Edgar- (big sigh) Sex is such a hot button issue. I have trouble in this area because now that I am older my perspective on sex is very different than when I was young. Sex by itself (WITHOUT the pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease issues) is such a tiny, inconsequential part of life,

Re: [Zen] Re: women zen

2008-10-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Hi Margie, Yes, I'd agree with you on most all your points. BTW my grandfather was a Polish immigrant who escaped Poland hiding in a hay wagon so we have some similar ancestry. As to the 'emotional damage' from sex I would note that Zen tells us that most so called 'emotional damage' is

Re: [Zen] Just curious...

2008-10-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Hi Margie, Read your poems at your site and was quite impressed and hope to read more if you can post them. Your tone reminds me of mine a lot, one that I think few people appreciate, sort of a deep very conscious yet very simple clarity of nature as it is in its overwhelming realness in

Re: [Zen] Re: Share Your Satori Experiences

2008-10-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Chris, I took LSD and peyote a number of times in the past. I found these drugs extremely useful in the sense that they clearly show you what your ordinary mind is like by taking you out of it. It is extremely difficult to understand the constraints of ordinary mind from within those

Re: [Zen] Just curious...

2008-10-02 Thread roloro1557
Hi Edgar, The original meaning of the word virgin was a woman who is not under the dominion of any man - as in Vestal Virgins. The prostitutes at Aphrodites' temples were also referred to as virgins. Besides, I figured if Queen Elizabeth the 1st could reclaim her virginity, so can I. I've

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-02 Thread mike brown
Not necessarily. Watching a documentary about global warming might invoke a different state of mindfulness than watching an advert for carpet shampoo. Then again, depending on the person, watching an advert for carpet shampoo might invoke a a higher level of mindfulness than a documentary about

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-02 Thread mike brown
Hi Edgar, And I'm losing the battle badly.. Mike. - Original Message From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 22:10:27 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori Hey Mike, Beware, Buddha put all those cute Japanese girls

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-02 Thread mike brown
No, I didn't notice. But they definitely raise their tone by an octave or 10 when I... oops! Sorry, too much info. Mike. - Original Message From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 23:40:42 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re:

Re: [Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-02 Thread mike brown
Thank you JM. Probably the wisest words I've read here in 5 years (apart from my own, of course). Mike. - Original Message From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008 23:47:13 Subject: Re: [Zen] 2009 Best Way Pledge

Re: [Zen] Just curious...

2008-10-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Hi Margie, Thanks for the clarification. BTW the Vestals were actual biological virgins and if they strayed they were buried alive as a punishment. BEst, Edgar On Oct 2, 2008, at 1:57 PM, roloro1557 wrote: Hi Edgar, The original meaning of the word virgin was a woman who is not under

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Mike, Poor guy! Well you could compromise and at least start practicing Tantra with them. :-) Edgar On Oct 2, 2008, at 2:39 PM, mike brown wrote: Hi Edgar, And I'm losing the battle badly.. Mike. - Original Message From: Edgar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Zen] Re: What's after Satori

2008-10-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Mike, One can certainly gain useful information from at least some TV shows. The problem is that one's wakened mind tends to be replaced by the mind of the TV which of course is not one's true mind. Not good re enlightenment. Edgar On Oct 2, 2008, at 2:38 PM, mike brown wrote: Not

[Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-02 Thread cid830
Mike, I really just mean for the sake of discussion on this forum. My understanding of Zen Buddhism has always been that this is the path that the Buddha took to enlightenment, minus much of the dogma that traditional Buddhism has followed. The Eight-fold path, the Middle Way, the Three

Re: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-02 Thread Edgar Owen
Mike and Chris, In my view Zen is simply directly experiencing what is real. All else is just window dressing and fluff, useful perhaps on the way to Zen, but intrinsically irrelevant. Edgar On Oct 2, 2008, at 4:09 PM, cid830 wrote: Mike, I really just mean for the sake of discussion

RE: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-02 Thread BillSmart
Chris, In a recent post you wrote: I do disagree with Bill's point that Zen has always stood alone and that other beliefs have tried to incorporate it, I believe it is the opposite, Zen has been isolated from Zen Buddhism and incorporated into other people's beliefs. Or something like that.

RE: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-02 Thread BillSmart
I agree completely with Edgar...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edgar Owen Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 6:48 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge Mike and Chris, In my view Zen is simply directly

[Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge

2008-10-02 Thread roloro1557
Glorious Good Evening Bill! You certainly live up to your name. Your post is absolutely delicious! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, In a recent post you wrote: I do disagree with Bill's point that Zen has always stood alone and that other beliefs have

[Zen] Re: women zen

2008-10-02 Thread roloro1557
Hi Edgar- That's really interesting... We have a similar tone to out poetry, we have polish ancestors, maybe we are long-lost cousins and just don't know it. grin I completely agree with you about emotional damage and attachment. Margie (roloro1557) --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar