like what?..merle
I don't see how. There are good teachers who can do a lot of things I can't do.
Jim
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 you might already be enlightened have you considered this?.
.searching for the light with a broomstick
listen to KG..he has his finger on the pulse..merle
On 10/6/2012 10:58 PM, jfnewell7 wrote:
But none of those are right, because they didn't cause me to become
enlightened.
Likewise then none are wrong, because none prevent realizing this.
Realizing this, being a redundant (thus
Merle,
I found ISLAND on Amazon.com. I could by the Kindle edition for $8.99.
Tell me why you are recommending it to me. I assume you have read it. How
long ago? Did you like it? If so, why?
Thanks...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
i
Actually this is in response to Merle's query to Edgar asking where everyone is
hiding. I was showing what kind of chum she needs to spread on the waters to
attract an Edgar.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
 indeed..merle
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LOL!
Edgar,
I agree, but I accepted the graphics 'History is a fiction...' as being the
same thing as 'history is an illusion'.
I was feeling generous...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgarowen@... wrote:
Bill,
Actually more to the point the entire past is an illusion that
I think the Photographer of this photo isn't interested in either cash or
credit. I've been told He is only interested in my soul.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill!,
Please give the photographer some credit! [even if (s)he'd prefer Cash].
Joe,
I passed on commenting on your previous post about this, and I still don't know
if you're jesting or not.
In case you're not, just ask yourself...if this was a 'photo', who would have
been around to take it?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, desert_woodworker
bill and a bit tacked on for joe
great news...bill..finally your learning!..hip hip hoorah!
.for christ sake BIll!..i read it as a kiddy and re read it many times..it is
somewhat my bible.
.read it and find out for yourself what you will.
.. i will not spoil it for you..otherwise you'll have
Jim,
Thanks for your candid response.
First and foremost I agree with whomever previously posted that you should try
to find a 'sangha' (Zen Buddhist center) near you to get first-hand
instructions on how to sit zen meditation (zazen). That's the absolute best
way.
Second and foremost even
for bill!
Subject: We love Miranda Hart!! - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTf17cmPl0I
for one moment our lives met
our souls touched
oscar wilde
Jim,
'Hearing the bell before it rings' is what I described in my previous post
vis-a-vis the taste of the lemon. Buddha Nature experiences reality (tastes,
hears, etc..) before your discriminating mind PERCEIVES the taste and starts
labeling and judging it as sweet/sour, bell/horn, etc...
Jim,
Nonsense! What can a zen teacher do that you can't?
Can you see a sunset? Can you taste a lemon? Can you hear a bell? Can you
smell the ocean? Can you feel the sunshine?
What else is there?
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, jfnewell7 jfnewell7@... wrote:
I don't see how.
Merle,
I asked you about the book because I don't want to waste my time READING a book
when I could be out DOING something. I used to read a lot, but not so much
anymore.
Also I've seen a movie called THE ISLAND and although it was okay I certainly
didn't want to read a book with the same
Jim,
You are looking in the wrong place. Reality is all around you all the time.
Just open your eyes to what is already there...
Edgar
On Oct 6, 2012, at 10:58 PM, jfnewell7 wrote:
Thank you for your thoughts. I think you are right, for after all, I am still
being dualistic. The problem
Jim,
What do you imagine you are lacking?
There is nothing lacking - ever. Let me rephrase that. Individual things can be
lacking but Buddha Nature is never lacking since everything is a manifestation
of Buddha Nature... It's just a matter of realizing that directly...
Edgar
On Oct 6,
Merle,
Such penetrating eyes looking deep into my soul!
;-)
And a good metaphor for Zen too: the dark distorting lenses of illusion drop
away to reveal the true view of reality as it actually is!
All in all great Zen photo...
Edgar
On Oct 7, 2012, at 5:20 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
If history is fiction and illusion, I can say Sakyamuni was born in Africa and
fought war with American Indians before he became Buddha. Buddha itself is
illusion after all.
Anthony
From: billsmart billsm...@hhs1963.org
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Hello Uncle,
He may as well be, who knows :-D
Cheers,
Siska
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From: Anthony Wu wu...@yahoo.com.sg
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 22:36:02
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Subject: Re:
Smells just as fishy no matter who's ladling it out or lured in by it.
KG
On 10/7/2012 4:04 AM, billsmart wrote:
Actually this is in response to Merle's query to Edgar asking where
everyone is hiding. I was showing what kind of chum she needs to
spread on the waters to attract an Edgar.
On 10/7/2012 4:40 AM, billsmart wrote:
Of the three states you have described below I would say that #1 is
the closest to describing a realization of Buddha Nature. When you
describe 'a space without thoughts' that IMO is very close.
Yes, good then you do not consider yourself a 'zen
Yes, hearing immediately before you place it into a context where 'you'
are 'hearing' a 'sound'. A simple recognition of re-cognition, being
conscious of conscious thought being afterthought.
Mind is always playing catch-up. Don't get caught up in it (believing
the after-story is 'true') or
FWIW...
Original Message
Subject: [Nonduality Salon] attainment being unrelated to practice, why
practice? Q and A
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2012 11:39:51 -
From: terencepmurphy terencepmur...@yahoo.com
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To:
This reminds me of something that heard some years ago:
This statement is false
B
Find what makes your heart sing…and do it!
From: Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 7, 2012 11:46:47 AM
Subject: [Zen] Fwd:
I apologize for possibly missing other posts to this. I read these posts all
backwards
I think that the concept is that there is a bell which causes the air to
vibrate.
The vibration of the air reaches an ear. (sound cannot be transmitted in a
vacuum)
There is a instant where the
That is certainly a very intelligent analysis and you might be right. I don't
know.
On the one hand, Bankei lived from 1622 to 1693. The intellectual culture then
didn't know about vibrations in the air - eardrum - neuron pathway. However,
being a Zen master, it is possible that
Bankei did
Many things, but I will only give a couple of examples.
A. They can teach better than I could. For example, when I was in Paris, I went
to the morning meditations of Master Deshimaru's Zen Center of Paris. Shortly
after I started, after the meditation, I went into the entry room, and there,
Your advice to find a sangha is excellent, and I don't want anyone to
misinterpret my problems as meaning your advice isn't good. Besides the health
problems, I simply am not financially able to manage it. There is a Zen center
in Ashland, but I can't afford the costs of maintaining a car, let
What I am lacking is the ability to project an insight which would almost
instantly rescue every being in the universe from suffering.
That probably, actually, isn't even a possible goal. However, I am still
lacking the ability to quickly rescue a reasonable number of beings on a single
On 10/6/12, Joe desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yes.
But who is it who is aware of that identity? Maybe nobody.
dunno. faith comes to mind...
That one is worth finding. That's why we practice. But not everyone -- and
not everyone here -- practices. It's worthwhile to do so, in
how?
yeongsoo
On 10/6/12, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com wrote:
It appears so.
KG
On 10/6/2012 2:46 AM, yonyon...@gmail.com wrote:
aren't appearances too, just THIS!? and hindrances for that matter?
On 10/6/12, Kristopher Grey k...@kgrey.com mailto:kris%40kgrey.com
wrote:
Siska,
I forgot something. Sakyamuni also came to Indonesia, where he met and scolded
the previous lives of Bill! and Edgar, for not paying respect to karma.
Uncle
From: siska_...@yahoo.com siska_...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 7
have some fun!..merle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0IgXpZtqbc
for one moment our lives met
our souls touched
oscar wilde
Jim,
OK, so you're well aware already of levels of intensity of practice that are
possible, and of how teachers guide folks.
That may be more than some people on this forum can claim, and that's OK, too,
unless they seek some progress.
Progress is really becoming simpler, and more
Merle,
Oh, NO, not that, again.
Reminds me of the little boy in Holland preventing the inrush of the sea and
inundation of the entire countryside by keeping his finger in the dike.
Best of luck! ;-)
--Joe
PS I think he has his thumb on the scale.
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
Bill!,
Your first instinct was correct.
But I doubt Big Bang is a finished notion. It's in trouble now, and the
trouble in Physics is a big embarrassment to fundamental Science. But we do
the best we can! All the observations until lately point to a reasonable
synthesis that results in a
Merle,
Of course you will.
No Authority; but a friend will always tell you the truth; oh, well.
Don't say I didn't try, in this short life of ours. ;-)
--Joe
PS Dunno what you mean by Zen, as a verb. To coin a phrase, There you GO
again!
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
bill and a
Bill,
You know, some teachers, masters, and mature practitioners claim to be able
to see a sunset, without having thoughts of, e.g.:
Beautiful! I wonder if we'll see one like this TOMORROW!?, or;
This is better than the one we saw in HAWAI'I that first night!
Or, they can taste the Cheerios
Jim,
These people just have a very natural human response.
This is possible when the mind is empty, or when there is no mind.
You have the same response; but I suspect it is sometimes covered by an
overriding impression of activity in what we call the mind [say, by
thoughts, or movement(s)].
Dear Jim,
If the feral cats are truly feral, it is a good idea to capture them and have
them spayed at a free- or low-cost clinic before feeding them. Feeding the
females will make them fertile, and then they can bring more starving beings to
birth. Consider it!
--Joe
jfnewell7
Jim,
There's one being, if that many.
But Compassion, Wisdom, and Suffering are also real.
Saving all beings is coming to see that one being; then, you have everything
available, and Wisdom will arise, and Compassion, both at the same instant,
spontaneously, in perfect response to conditions.
Yonyonson,
Seriously, all Tortoise-Shell Coat cats are female.
And some people will not keep male cats because of the spray-marking of
territory that even neutered Toms will do, if they ever learned that behavior.
The numerical part of the cat's name came from our telephone Area Code of the
Joe,
Why in the world would you want to interfere with nature? Let them all be I
say. Why do humans insist on trapping and killing wild cats instead of letting
them live as part of nature?
Why do humans always insist on interfering with the way nature works? And
always at the expense of some
Edgar,
You have a point.
But, you say killing? (I didn't).
I live in cities, and always have done.
Except when I lived for years in the Andes on the observatory mountain, among
Puma.
In cities, feral cats are not in a state of nature, even here in the State of
Arizona. They are dependent
Jim,
Bankei did mean something profound. He was doing his best to describe the raw,
unfiltered, holistic (non-dualistic) experience Zen Buddhists call Buddha
Nature. He did this in the context of hearing a bell. He did not try to
explain it. He tried to describe it.
He used some terms
Joe,
That is EXACTLY what I call Just THIS!, or Buddha Nature.
...Bill!
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Joe desert_woodworker@... wrote:
Bill,
You know, some teachers, masters, and mature practitioners claim to be able
to see a sunset, without having thoughts of, e.g.:
Beautiful! I
Jim,
There is nothing I am 'afraid' to tell you, nothing secret. I could describe
in detail the teachings and techniques my two teachers used with me. I do know
however they did not use those same techniques with everyone of their students,
and I know even if the same techniques were used
Jim,
IMO...and some 'tough love'...
This Bodhisattva fantasy is an attachment of yours. Drop it!
I have an original 'zen story' for that: Pay attention to the kindly
Bodhisattvas that look after you when you fly and remember their words, Be
sure to put you your own oxygen mask first before
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