If you feel you can
be an example to others by transforming your lifestyle - don't go.
But be led by your own innate wisdom - not by others.
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> Mike.
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> - Original Message
> From: Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi Anthony,
Anytime.
Mike.
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From: Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 11:05:25
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Thank you , Mike.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 16/10/08, mike
Edgar,
Except it's only:
Hungry > Eat
Tired > Sleep
...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Edgar Owen
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 1:27 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Bill,
Great
ursday, October 16, 2008 1:16 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
I don't think the discussions between Bill and Edgar are off-topic(??) in
the least. Call me a novice, but everything seems to speak to the very heart
of what Zen Buddhism is.
Thank you , Mike.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Thu, 16/10/08, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 16 October, 2008, 8:38 AM
Hi Anthony,
I'
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Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 8:52:53
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If that is not simple enough. Here we go:
I cannot do anything on my own. I need your help.
Regards
Anth
If that is not simple enough. Here we go:
I cannot do anything on my own. I need your help.
Regards
Anthony
--- On Thu, 16/10/08, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogro
Hi Anthony,
Ok, I'm waiting. When are you going to put it in simple bloody English?
Mike
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From: Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, 16 October, 2008 7:59:00
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Mik
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Hi Anthony.
What can't you do by yourself?
Mike.
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Hi Anthony.
What can't you do by yourself?
Mike.
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From: Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 19:15:43
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Hi Mike,
I am not yet convinced, and I do
eat; when tired, sleep...Bill!
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On Behalf
Of Edgar Owen
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:12 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Bill,
All sounds great to me, but how do you accomplish all this
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Good Luck!
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Anthony Wu
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To:
Good Luck!
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Wu
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 8:15 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Bill,
You convinced me you are doing the right thing in your place in Thailand
Edgar,
It's easy to learn. When hungry, eat; when tired, sleep...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Edgar Owen
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:12 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Bill,
All s
/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008, 6:50 PM
Anthony,
Thailand is in a real political mess right now. The
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Date: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008, 6:23 PM
Anthony,
We've had what you could call modern morality for at least 2,000 years. We've
surely had some sense of morality much, much longer than th
eep.
When are you moving to Africa?
...Bill!
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On Behalf Of Anthony Wu
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:04 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Hi Bill,
It makes sense to start to alleviate m
en hungry I eat. When tired I
sleep.
When are you moving to Africa?
...Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony
Wu
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:04 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Hi Bill
aspects of Causality
Hi Mike,
I am waiting to be convinced that without morality we can still live in peace.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Wed, 15/10/08, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
To: Zen
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fickle and therefore not valid. As Buddha said, be your own guiding lamp.
Mike.
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From: Anthony Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com.sg>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.com
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 18:55:10
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Hi Mik
Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008 18:55:10
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Hi Mike,
I am waiting to be convinced that without morality we can still live in peace.
Regards,
Anthony
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Regards,
Anthony
--- On Wed, 15/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008, 1:06 PM
Anthony, My responses are
Hi Mike,
I am waiting to be convinced that without morality we can still live in peace.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Wed, 15/10/08, mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: mike brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogro
AIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 7:14 PM
Anthony,
'Digression' is my middle name!
See my responses embedded below:
nesday, 15 October, 2008 8:24:30
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Dear Digression,
That is what I expected to be your answer: there is no suffering to save. How
about starving African people, those who go through tortures, political
oppression, rape victims, bereaved family, e
people to get rid of attachment to the
suffering. Right?
Regards,
Anthony
--- On Tue, 14/10/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 14 O
Bill,
Excellent point on pain and suffering and very clearly explained.
I'll update my terminology from now on and draw a clearer distinction
between pain and suffering as you point out.
Thanks,
Edgar
On Oct 14, 2008, at 7:14 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anthony,
'Digression' is my
Anthony,
Karma is a kind of wishful thinking about causality. There is of
course some general tendency for people to do to others as others do
to them but that has plenty of limitations. The ideas that 'doing'
good will inevitably bring good in the end is nonsense. Just as dumb
as Christi
Anthony,
'Digression' is my middle name!
See my responses embedded below:
>A hammer hitting a toe occurs every day and everywhere in the world,
>resulting in a lot suffering. How does zen address this problem?
Pain is not what Buddhism means when it talks about suffering. Pain is pain.
OUCH!
Tuesday, 14 October, 2008 17:12:00
Subject: [Zen] Practical aspects of Causality
Bill and Edgar,
Perhaps you can have a little digression from your major discussion by
answering my practical questions.
A hammer hitting a toe occurs every day and everywhere in the world, resulting
in a lot suffer
Bill and Edgar,
Perhaps you can have a little digression from your major discussion by
answering my practical questions.
A hammer hitting a toe occurs every day and everywhere in the world, resulting
in a lot suffering. How does zen address this problem? Many zen masters still
remember the
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