Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2008-10-26 Thread Peter Bridge
You have not described your requirements (low-power ??, low-cost ??). But I'll contribute some pointers anyway! :) Well for a home NAS I'm looking at noise as a big factor. Also for a 24x7 box, power consumption, that's why the northbridge is putting me off slightly. So far the other solutions

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2008-10-26 Thread mike
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Peter Bridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well for a home NAS I'm looking at noise as a big factor. Also for a 24x7 box, power consumption, that's why the northbridge is putting me off slightly. That's why I built a full-sized tower using a Lian-Li case with

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2008-10-26 Thread Peter Bridge
Same case and same idea :) I have 2 dampered drives already installed from a previous project. Another 2 I pulled out to install into a qnap 209. Ideally I'd return the disks and replace the qnap with this new single ZFS NAS, although I'm quite fond of the qnap bt client, and can't use all

Re: [zfs-discuss] Verify files' checksums

2008-10-26 Thread Peter Schuller
1) When I notice an error in a file that I've copied from a ZFS disk I want to know whether that error is also in the original file on my ZFS disk or if it's only in the copy. This was already addressed but let me do so slightly differently: One of the major points of ZFS checksumming is that,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Verify files' checksums

2008-10-26 Thread Chris Gerhard
A slight nit. Using cat(1) to read the file to /dev/null will not actually cause the data to be read thanks to the magic that is mmap(). If you use dd(1) to read the file then yes you will either get the data and thus know it's blocks match their checksums or dd will give you an error if

Re: [zfs-discuss] recommendations on adding vdev to raidz zpool

2008-10-26 Thread Mattias Pantzare
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Peter Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 7x150GB drive (+1 spare) raidz pool that I need to expand. There are 6 open drive bays, so I bought 6 300GB drives and went to add them as a raidz vdev to the existing zpool, but I didn't realize the raidz

[zfs-discuss] Boot from mirror

2008-10-26 Thread dick hoogendijk
Is it or isn't it possible to boot off two mirrored ZFS disks and if yes, can this be done in the upcoming solaris 10 10/08 too? -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG key: 01D2433D ++ http://nagual.nl/ + SunOS sxce snv99 ++ ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Verify files' checksums

2008-10-26 Thread James Litchfield
A nit on the nit... cat does not use mmap for files = 32K in size. For those files it's a simple read() into a buffer and write() it out. Jim --- Chris Gerhard wrote: A slight nit. Using cat(1) to read the file to /dev/null will not actually cause the data to be read thanks to the magic

Re: [zfs-discuss] recommendations on adding vdev to raidz zpool

2008-10-26 Thread Peter Baumgartner
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Mattias Pantzare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Peter Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 7x150GB drive (+1 spare) raidz pool that I need to expand. There are 6 open drive bays, so I bought 6 300GB drives and went to add

Re: [zfs-discuss] diagnosing read performance problem

2008-10-26 Thread Matt Harrison
On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 06:50:46PM -0700, Nigel Smith wrote: Hi Matt What chipset is your PCI network card? (obviously, it not Intel, but what is it?) Do you know which driver the card is using? I believe it's some sort of Realtek (8139 probably). It's coming up as rtls0 You say '..The

Re: [zfs-discuss] recommendations on adding vdev to raidz zpool

2008-10-26 Thread Mattias Pantzare
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Peter Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:02 AM, Mattias Pantzare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Peter Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 7x150GB drive (+1 spare) raidz pool that I need to expand.

Re: [zfs-discuss] recommendations on adding vdev to raidz zpool

2008-10-26 Thread Peter Tribble
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Peter Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They do not have to have the same number of drivers, you can even mix raidz and plain disks. That is more a recommendation. Add -f to the command. What is the risk of creating a pool consisting of two raidz vdevs

[zfs-discuss] Cannot remove slog device from zpool

2008-10-26 Thread Ethan Erchinger
Hello, I've looked quickly through the archives and haven't found mention of this issue. I'm running SXCE (snv_99), which I believe uses zfs version 13. I had an existing zpool: ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

[zfs-discuss] Cannot remove slog device from zpool

2008-10-26 Thread Ethan Erchinger
Sorry for the first incomplete send, stupid Ctrl-Enter. :-) Hello, I've looked quickly through the archives and haven't found mention of this issue. I'm running SXCE (snv_99), which uses zfs version 13. I had an existing zpool:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread William Bauer
I've done some more research, but would still greatly appreciate someone helping me understand this. It seems that writes to only the home directory of the person logged in to the console suffers from degraded performance. If I write to a subdirectory beneath my home, or to any other

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread Ethan Erchinger
William Bauer wrote: I've done some more research, but would still greatly appreciate someone helping me understand this. It seems that writes to only the home directory of the person logged in to the console suffers from degraded performance. If I write to a subdirectory beneath my home,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2008-10-26 Thread Daniel Leaberry
I just built a homeserver that pulls 62 watts from the plug at idle for ~$700. I had some of the parts lying around but even if you bought everything at frys you should be able to set yourself up for under 1K for the next 3-5 years. Seasonic 80 plus 300 watt power supply Intel DP35DP motherboard

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread William Bauer
If that were the case, why would it matter if I was logged into the console, and why would subdirectories of my home exhibit better write performance than the top level home directory? A write to /export/home/username is slower than to /export/home/username/blah, but ONLY if that user is

Re: [zfs-discuss] recommendations on adding vdev to raidz zpool

2008-10-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008, Peter Baumgartner wrote: What is the risk of creating a pool consisting of two raidz vdevs that don't have the same number of disks? Virtually no risk. The only matter of concern would be if the vdevs have substantially different I/O performance and latencies since ZFS's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Boot from mirror

2008-10-26 Thread Richard Elling
dick hoogendijk wrote: Is it or isn't it possible to boot off two mirrored ZFS disks and if yes, can this be done in the upcoming solaris 10 10/08 too? Yes. Yes. For details, please consult the ZFS Administration Guide. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfsadmin.pdf --

Re: [zfs-discuss] Cannot remove slog device from zpool

2008-10-26 Thread Richard Elling
CR 6574286 removing a slog doesn't work http://bugs.opensolaris.org/view_bug.do?bug_id=6574286 -- richard Ethan Erchinger wrote: Sorry for the first incomplete send, stupid Ctrl-Enter. :-) Hello, I've looked quickly through the archives and haven't

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS + OpenSolaris for home NAS?

2008-10-26 Thread Orvar Korvar
For those of you who wants to build a NAS, this is mandatory reading I think. Read all comments too. http://breden.org.uk/2008/03/02/a-home-fileserver-using-zfs/ I use a P45 mobo, Intel Q9450, ATI4850 and 4 GB RAM. AOC SATA card with 8 Sata slots. 4 Samsung 500GB drives. Works excellent in a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008, William Bauer wrote: This has proven true on every OpenSolaris system I've tried--all of which are using ZFS. So what is it about logging into the console that slows write performance to ONLY the top level home directory of the username on the same console? Recently

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread Volker A. Brandt
If that were the case, why would it matter if I was logged into the console, and why would subdirectories of my home exhibit better write performance than the top level home directory? A write to /export/home/username is slower than to /export/home/username/blah, but ONLY if that user is

[zfs-discuss] zpool import problem

2008-10-26 Thread Terry Heatlie
Folks, I have a zpool with a raidz2 configuration which I've been switching between two machines - an old one with a hardware problem and a new one, which doesn't have hardware issues, but has a different configuration . I've been trying to import the pool on the new machine, so I can back up

Re: [zfs-discuss] diagnosing read performance problem

2008-10-26 Thread Nigel Smith
Ok on the answers to all my questions. There's nothing that really stands out as being obviously wrong. Just out of interest, what build of OpenSolaris are you using? One thing you could try on the Ethernet capture file, is to set the WireShark 'Time' column like this: View Time Display Format

Re: [zfs-discuss] HELP! zfs with iscsitadm (on poweredge1900) and VMWare!

2008-10-26 Thread Nigel Smith
I asked Tano to use the 'snoop' command to capture the Ethernet packets to a file, while he attempted VMware's 'VMotion'. # snoop -d {device} -o {filename} tcp port 3260 This file was made available to me on Tano's web server. The file size was nearly 85 Mbytes, capturing over 100,000 packets.

Re: [zfs-discuss] diagnosing read performance problem

2008-10-26 Thread Matt Harrison
Nigel Smith wrote: Ok on the answers to all my questions. There's nothing that really stands out as being obviously wrong. Just out of interest, what build of OpenSolaris are you using? One thing you could try on the Ethernet capture file, is to set the WireShark 'Time' column like this:

Re: [zfs-discuss] diagnosing read performance problem

2008-10-26 Thread Matt Harrison
Nigel Smith wrote: Ok on the answers to all my questions. There's nothing that really stands out as being obviously wrong. Just out of interest, what build of OpenSolaris are you using? Damn forgot to add that, I'm running SXCE snv_97. Thanks Matt

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread William Bauer
This smells of name resolution delays somewhere. Do you have a shell prompt that gets some host name or user name from name services? Is your /home directory owned by a non-existing user or group? Do you accidentally have something enabled in /etc/nsswitch.conf that does not exist

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread William Bauer
This sounds plausible I suppose Being unfamiliar with this tracker daemon, I can blindly accept it as a maybe! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread William Bauer
For clarity, here's how you can reproduce what I'm asking about: This is for local file systems on build 86 and not about NFS or any remote mounts. You can repeat these 100 times and always get the same result, whether you reboot between trials or leave the system running. 1. Log into the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool import problem

2008-10-26 Thread Richard Elling
Terry Heatlie wrote: Folks, I have a zpool with a raidz2 configuration which I've been switching between two machines - an old one with a hardware problem and a new one, which doesn't have hardware issues, but has a different configuration . I've been trying to import the pool on the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread Richard Elling
I cannot recreate this on b101. There is no significant difference between the two on my system. -- richard William Bauer wrote: For clarity, here's how you can reproduce what I'm asking about: This is for local file systems on build 86 and not about NFS or any remote mounts. You can repeat

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread William Bauer
I cannot recreate this on b101. There is no significant difference between the two on my system. That's encouraging...unless no one can reproduce it on 86, then I'm forgetting something. I've done this a dozen times on several systems, so maybe ZFS performance has been improved. What

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread William Bauer
Bingo! I just updated a system from 86 to 99 and the problem is gone. Even better, it was a VB guest, and the ZFS performance on the guest increased 5x in this test, as I mentioned earlier. Granted, a VB guest may not be the best test and it only applies to top level home directories, but it

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS write performance on boot disk

2008-10-26 Thread William Bauer
After a zpool upgrade, this simple test's write speed jumped up yet another 20%. Looks like ZFS is getting better. As one would hope expect. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org