RE: [ZION] Good News Sources
-Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 7:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Good News Sources Ron, What do you feel are some of the best news sources on the Web? How about off the Web? Generally, IMO, the most reliable sources for news are those publications/organizations that that take great care in gathering and preparing and checking their reports. For instance, all the Time publications use adversarial fact-checking process (facts are checked by researcher who operates independent of the in house writer and field reporters). In my opinion, the news(this does not include editorialists or editorialists) organizations that are the most reliable are: 1. The New York Times group 2. The Washington Post/LA Times/Newsday/Newsweek group 3. The Wall Street Journal/ Dow Jones Because they are well balanced, I like the following publications in particular: 1. The Economist 2. Time...although since the Time Inc. merger with AOL, it has become increasingly lightweight. 3. The New Yorker I was the happiest when daily I read: 1. The NY Times, WSJ on the train ride in; the LA Times and Washington Post at the office; plus the NY Post on the train home at night. 2. Direct, raw dispatches throughout the from Time correspondents around the world. and weekly: 1. The New Yorker 2. Sports Illustrated and ALL the Time, Inc. publications ( I am loyal) 3. The National Review 4. The Nation and/or New Republic and monthly: 1. Fortune for sure. 2. Different monthly magazines, as they contained interesting stories or good writing. And, always the New York Times Sunday Crossword, to defog my mind. These days I don't have time to read -- that is, I'm no longer paid to read -- so, as a general rule my daily reading is limited to The New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Boston Globe. And, the Crossword on Sunday. Ron // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Inspirational Story
Here is a very inspirational *true* story, verified by www.snopes.com (They talked to the original source of the story, Will Ross. See For yourself at: http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/onleave.asp). I thought this might brighten up your day grin. -- Steven Montgomery A Day at Baltimore Airport (The writer and his wife live in LA and both work for Uncle Sam.) Dear Friends and Family, I hope that you will spare me a few minutes of your time to tell you about something that I saw on Monday, October 27. I had been attending a conference in Annapolis and was coming home on Sunday. As you may recall, Los Angeles International Airport was closed on Sunday, October 26, because of the fires that affected air traffic control. Accordingly, my flight, and many others, were canceled and I wound up spending a night in Baltimore. My story begins the next day. When I went to check in at the United counter Monday morning I saw a lot of soldiers home from Iraq. Most were very young and all had on their desert camouflage uniforms. This was as change from earlier, when they had to buy civilian clothes in Kuwait to fly home. It was a visible reminder that we are in a war. It probably was pretty close to what train terminals were like in World War II. Many people were stopping the troops to talk to them, asking them questions in the Starbucks line or just saying Welcome Home. In addition to all the flights that had been canceled on Sunday, the weather was terrible in Baltimore and the flights were backed up. So, there were a lot of unhappy people in the terminal trying to get home, but nobody that I saw gave the soldiers a bad time. By the afternoon, one plane to Denver had been delayed several hours. United personnel kept asking for volunteers to give up their seats and take another flight. They weren't getting many takers. Finally, a United spokeswoman got on the PA and said this, Folks. As you can see, there are a lot of soldiers in the waiting area. They only have 14 days of leave and we're trying to get them where they need to go without spending any more time in an airport then they have to. We sold them all tickets, knowing we would oversell the flight. If we can, we want to get them all on this flight. We want all the soldiers to know that we respect what you're doing, we are here for you and we love you. At that, the entire terminal of cranky, tired, travel-weary people, a cross-section of America, broke into sustained and heartfelt applause. The soldiers looked surprised and very modest. Most of them just looked at their boots. Many of us were wiping away tears. And, yes, people lined up to take the later flight and all the soldiers went to Denver on that flight. That little moment made me proud to be an American, and also told me why we will win this war. If you want to send my little story on to your friends and family, feel free. This is not some urban legend. I was there, I was part of it, I saw it happen. Will Ross Administrative Judge United States Department of Defense Bonnie Rathke Regional Purchaser, DHS Region 7, mailcode 016-1 Phone 512/832-7672, Fax 512/834-4797 Digital pager 800/527-2431 pin 5101 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Good News Sources
At 06:01 AM 11/15/2003, Ron Scott wrote: In my opinion, the news(this does not include editorialists or editorialists) organizations that are the most reliable are: 1. The New York Times group I read the New York Times with a grain of salt (Yes, I read an online version almost daily). When it comes to political matters they have little credibility to me. For instance, Walter Duranty--Pulitzer Prize winner for the New York Times was actually a Stalin Apologist and covered up Stalin's man made famine in the Ukraine which killed upwards of 6 million people. They also made the claim that Fidel Castro was the George Washington of Cuba and was not a Communist. Plus many other liberally slanted news stories which have appeared in the rag over the years. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Communism and the Terrorist Connection
Steve: You just laid out provocative exceprts but ignored the context. In addition, you lay these out in ways that suggest these activities were endorsed formally by the Russian government. Finally, the excerpts you chose do not take into account: 1. Economic and political changes inside Russia over the past 10 years. 2. Complicity of the U.S. and other Western Governments 3. Examples where, argubaly, the U.S. could accused of doing exactly the same thing. People more familiar with European history than I should comment, but, IMO the West's performance in Russia after the downfall of communism was stunningly similar to our performance in Germany after World War I. We won the war; we packed up and went home; economic chaos ensued. What Russia needed in 1991 to avoid chaos, economic disaster, people selling WMDs and eveyrthing else they could lay their hands on was a program similar to The Marshall Plan that rebuilt Germany after WWII. We didn't offer such and, no surprise, the outcome in Russia (for several years) was very similar to what the West experienced in Germany between the close of WWI and the advent of Hitler. Hell, we were hiring absolutely brilliant Ph.D. software engineers for $50-70 A MONTH -- and that was considered a high salary at the time. Levis cost $100; Microsoft sold its software at full price ($595 for Excel) and complained like crazy when Russians bootlegged copies. For instance, below is an exceprt from a 1993 column, Looking East that ran in the Boston Business Journal as well as the Megopolis Express, then a fledgling business/economics fortnightly in Moscow. The vacuum created economic disaster and political chaos he sucked yet another dangerous fascist demagogue onto the world state. The latest brown shirt is Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky, the boss of Russia's Liberal Democratic Part, which drew 24 percent of the vote in the most recent parliamentary elections. If nothing else the startling support for the fascist Liberal Democratic Party (a misnomer that does Mrs. Malaprop proud) and the horrific visions of Christmases past and future that it conjured finally aroused world leaders, who had previously seemed oblivious to resurging fascism and totalitarianism throughout Europe... No doubt Zhirinovsky's sabre-rattling rhetoric will scare of cautious money and give everyone second thoughts about what communism's downfall has wrought. Nevertheless, increased capital investment and easier access to Western markets are the ballast Russia needs to correct its rightward list Since the proclaimed end to the cold war in 1991, Western investment in the former Soviet Empire has been short on capital and long on barter; more absorbed with satiating pent-up demand for Western goods than focused on helping Russia develop profitable channels of commerce to the West... The column concludes this way: Two years ago the downfall of communism provided responsible capitalists with an unprecedented opportunity to demonstrate how making money could aslo secure the peace. What was true then is truer today. The bornw-shirt tide surging through Russia and Eastern Europe suggests that the West, the U.S. in particular, is not doing as much as it could be. Time is not on our side. The facts are: in 1992, anyone (including freelancers in the military) in Russia with anything to sell -- goods and services -- was selling them, literally off the back of a truck. To them, it was a matter of survival. The U.S. was warned that if the West didn't intervene economically and politically, weapons, including WMDs, military training, terrorists etc. would likely be sold off to the highest bidder. The U.S. dithered big time. Should we be disappointed at what resulted (temporarily)? Absolutely. Should we be surprised? Absolutely not. Is Russia an enemy today? Is Putin's past service in the KGB a problem? A competitor, yes. Enemy, no. But, surely you understand why Russians are miffed that we don't yet regard the terrorists in Chechnya (sp?) as terrorists? Ron Scott -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Communism and the Terrorist Connection Stanislav Lunev was a Colonel in Russian Military Intelligence (GRU). In 1992 he defected to the west and subsequently wrote a book entitled, _Through the Eyes of the Enemy_. In this book Lunev makes an interesting revelation: the support and sponsorship of terrorist actions is more than justified for the GRU. He then tells how the Japanese Aum Shinryko cult was trained by Russian Spetsnaz squads. He then goes on, Most of the Arab terrorist groups were also trained by Spetsnaz, and [In] the early 1990s, the GRU decided that it would train any terrorist group that was able to pay for it. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Communism is Satan's counterfeit for the gospel plan, and . . . it is an avowed
RE: [ZION] Good News Sources
Whatever. -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Good News Sources At 06:01 AM 11/15/2003, Ron Scott wrote: In my opinion, the news(this does not include editorialists or editorialists) organizations that are the most reliable are: 1. The New York Times group I read the New York Times with a grain of salt (Yes, I read an online version almost daily). When it comes to political matters they have little credibility to me. For instance, Walter Duranty--Pulitzer Prize winner for the New York Times was actually a Stalin Apologist and covered up Stalin's man made famine in the Ukraine which killed upwards of 6 million people. They also made the claim that Fidel Castro was the George Washington of Cuba and was not a Communist. Plus many other liberally slanted news stories which have appeared in the rag over the years. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Communism and the Terrorist Connection
At 08:39 AM 11/15/2003, you wrote: Steve: You just laid out provocative exceprts but ignored the context. In addition, you lay these out in ways that suggest these activities were endorsed formally by the Russian government. Finally, the excerpts you chose do not take into account: snipped 2. Complicity of the U.S. and other Western Governments 3. Examples where, argubaly, the U.S. could accused of doing exactly the same thing. Your right, I did leave it out. My intention was merely to show Russian involvement. The fact that certain elements within the United States are and have been involved in such matters is something, by the way, that the John Birch Society has been trying to point out for decades grin. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Good News Sources
Whatever what? Credibility does matter. But I guess that's your right to get your news from less than credible sources. -- Steven Montgomery At 08:41 AM 11/15/2003, you wrote: Whatever. -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Good News Sources At 06:01 AM 11/15/2003, Ron Scott wrote: In my opinion, the news(this does not include editorialists or editorialists) organizations that are the most reliable are: 1. The New York Times group I read the New York Times with a grain of salt (Yes, I read an online version almost daily). When it comes to political matters they have little credibility to me. For instance, Walter Duranty--Pulitzer Prize winner for the New York Times was actually a Stalin Apologist and covered up Stalin's man made famine in the Ukraine which killed upwards of 6 million people. They also made the claim that Fidel Castro was the George Washington of Cuba and was not a Communist. Plus many other liberally slanted news stories which have appeared in the rag over the years. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Introducing Gary Smith
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:33:16 -0500 Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I look forward to meeting those in the Indiana/Midwest area. What I would love, is for us to plan a Nauvoo reunion get-together next summer. Meet on a Saturday, go to a session, then dinner/lunch, and walk around the sites. Who's interested? I'm going to be pushing this from now until we organize something. Count me in. May I suggest the Nauvoo State Park as a gathering place (if they get the showers opened) for those wanting to stay the night (or two). Camping is fun and, for me, cheap. My sons and I stayed there this past summer and it's right in Nauvoo. The summer prior we stayed someplace else, farther away. It's not too far (a couple hours?) from Dyersville, Iowa, where the movie _Field of Dreams_ was filmed. That's a really neat site. Basically untouched since the movie. Anyway, picture a campfire, with s'mores, great conversation and Zionisti, on the banks of the Ole Mississippi, at sunset. It's beautiful. val All of you are welcome to use my home as a central pad for visiting the Church sites (or other visits). We're 5-6 hours from Nauvoo and Kirtland, and 8 hours from Independence Mo and Palmyra. K'aya K'ama, Gerald (Gary) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html LDS Evidences, Family History, Food Storage, etc. / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] The Small World of the Church
I just wanted to share with you all something really neat. You know, as members of the church, it doesn't matter where we are, if we are with fellow LDS, we have a lot to talk about. It makes the world a smaller place. Inevitably, someone you meet knows someone you know, and you feel a closer connection. This is a story kinda like that. Well, way back before our wards spilt, a young couple moved into the ward. They had no children and he was there to do a three year residency at Memorial Hospital. When they found out they could not have children, they began adopting. I remember Stacy crying as she held her first baby girl, saying, She's so beautiful. I'd have taken her if she were homely, but look at her, she's just soo beautiful! They were blessed with a second daughter, and just this past month, a son. When Miles finished his residency, he set up practice here. I have always felt so close to Miles and Stacy. When Tom died, Miles was a huge source of comfort. I was extremely ill during the visitation, so I had to sit down to receive people, and Miles knelt down, held my hand, and spoke as a great priethood leader, of things not of this world, but in the world to come. Just lately, he was called as Bishop (about a month ago) for the South Bend Ward. O.K. now, I love doing genealogy. I have always loved reading histories and uncovering the mysteries we call ancestors. I especially love reading my dad's history. He died 23 years ago, so I feel close to him when I read his stuff. Last year, my sister found a legal pad that had Dad's handwritten draft of the typed history we all have. It is different from the typed version, more raw and with details he left out of the typed version for some reason. I used that handwritten version to share with my students this week, my dad's expreiences in WWII (we are doing a veteran's unit). Thursday, after I'd read this to my last class, I decided to re-read it for myself. I love to read his thoughts. Well, page 13 contained some notes he scribbled. It was obviously his notes for the section he called the Fabulous Fifties. It was during the 50's that he married my mom, had most of us kids, and joined the church. (as a side note, Orrin Hatch was one of my parent's missionaries). Anyway, one of the little notes said, 7 Dec 1957 Pat. Blessing, Reed Andrew, Detrioit Stake. Now, I have seen my dad's patriarchal blessing numerous times. I love reading over it. What I had never connected, is that his patriarch, Reed Andrew, didn't have an 's' on the end of his name. (connecting point here) This is the same as Miles and Stacy Andrew. As it turns out, Reed is Miles's grandfather! Stacy said that Reed is the one who sealed them when they were married--that he was a sealer in Salt Lake, and got special permission to fly to Chicago to seal them. How cool is that! Reed has since passed, but think about this; when my parents were baptized, they lived in Ohio. What are the odds, that in Northern Indiana, some 46 years later, descendents of early midwest saints would connect like this. Gotta love the TRUE church. val .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Good News Sources
Less credible than what, for instance? And don't give me your b.s. about ny times columnists and editorials. For the moment, I was talking ONLY about the credibility of the news organization, the fact vetting process etc. -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Good News Sources Whatever what? Credibility does matter. But I guess that's your right to get your news from less than credible sources. -- Steven Montgomery At 08:41 AM 11/15/2003, you wrote: Whatever. -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Good News Sources At 06:01 AM 11/15/2003, Ron Scott wrote: In my opinion, the news(this does not include editorialists or editorialists) organizations that are the most reliable are: 1. The New York Times group I read the New York Times with a grain of salt (Yes, I read an online version almost daily). When it comes to political matters they have little credibility to me. For instance, Walter Duranty--Pulitzer Prize winner for the New York Times was actually a Stalin Apologist and covered up Stalin's man made famine in the Ukraine which killed upwards of 6 million people. They also made the claim that Fidel Castro was the George Washington of Cuba and was not a Communist. Plus many other liberally slanted news stories which have appeared in the rag over the years. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nations are defined by their founders. George Washington set a standard of selfless public service and heroic private virtue against which American politicians continue to be measured - and found wanting - even today. --Steven W. Mosher // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Communism and the Terrorist Connection
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Communism and the Terrorist Connection At 08:39 AM 11/15/2003, you wrote: Steve: You just laid out provocative exceprts but ignored the context. In addition, you lay these out in ways that suggest these activities were endorsed formally by the Russian government. Finally, the excerpts you chose do not take into account: snipped 2. Complicity of the U.S. and other Western Governments 3. Examples where, argubaly, the U.S. could accused of doing exactly the same thing. Your right, I did leave it out. My intention was merely to show Russian involvement. The fact that certain elements within the United States are and have been involved in such matters is something, by the way, that the John Birch Society has been trying to point out for decades grin. No question about JBS's efforts. And, per usual, it's info is outdated, taken out of context, incomplete and decidedly unoriginal. Net, net: historically not a very reliable dissemenator of news, facts etc. Ron // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Status of Communism
At 09:48 AM 11/15/2003, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Status of Communism Here is an excerpt from an article by J. R. Nyquist, who in my opinion is one of the leading experts on Communism: I've read the article. Now why is it you think he's an expert? Because he has spent the effort to study Marxism-Leninism. I do have to admit however that the particular article in question was merely a commentary and does not necessarily reflect Nyquist's scholarship or learning. For that you'd have to read some of his other articles grin. -- Steven Montgomery An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. (Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond the Horizon, 1942) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Small World of the Church
At 10:50 AM 11/15/2003, Val wrote: I just wanted to share with you all something really neat. Val, Thanks for sharing--it helped brighten my day! -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Small World of the Church
Valerie-- what a great story! I think this would make a great thread-- The Small World of the Church. To start things off, here's one that just happened in our family. Our oldest son, Chuck, is serving in the Tennessee Nashville Mission and was just transfered to Clarksville TN where he got a new companion and participated in a transfer conference. Flashback; for several years some of our early morning seminary classes were held in the teachers home. my wife would help by picking up kids and taking them to the teachers home (this was before she launched her seminary teaching career). One young man, who was not especially active, needed a ride, so my wife would leave extra early to get him because he lived out of the way. The teacher specifically asked my wife to pick him up, because he probably would not make the class. There were days, when Alan would not be ready, or was sleeping in, sometimes a couple of days in a row, when my wife would wonder-- what am I doing this for, he doesn't care about seminary. After that year the boy moved back with his family and we lost contact with him. back to transfer conference; in my sons own words I got my new comp yesterday. His name is Elder Klienman. But wait, yesterday at the transfer meeting in nashville you will never guess who I saw. Go ahead guess... I ran into Elder Drone!!! You remember him? Remember Allen that we took to seminary and stuff?? He is in MY MISSION It was so crazy when we saw each other. I still cant believe it. He has been out for about 13 or so months. It was awesome!!! it is indeed a much smaller world when you are a member of the Lords Church. anyone else want to volunteer a story? Bob Rusty Taylor ** There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown ** // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Good News Sources
At 10:34 AM 11/15/2003, you wrote: Less credible than what, for instance? And don't give me your b.s. about ny times columnists and editorials. For the moment, I was talking ONLY about the credibility of the news organization, the fact vetting process etc. Well, certainly less credible than other news organizations that don't print fabrications from Times reporters--like Jason Blair, John Burns or Judith Miller. But, perhaps, more credible than say Al Jazeera vbg. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper . . The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in a situation to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who reading newspapers, live and die in the belief, that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time . . . General facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is now at war . . . but no details can be relied on. (Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Norvell, June 11, 1807) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Inspirational Story
Well, some of us get mail slow, here in the hinterlands. -- Steven Montgomery At 10:36 AM 11/15/2003, you wrote: Great story. It's been circulating for weeks. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Good News Sources
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Good News Sources At 10:34 AM 11/15/2003, you wrote: Less credible than what, for instance? And don't give me your b.s. about ny times columnists and editorials. For the moment, I was talking ONLY about the credibility of the news organization, the fact vetting process etc. Well, certainly less credible than other news organizations that don't print fabrications from Times reporters--like Jason Blair, John Burns or Judith Miller. But, perhaps, more credible than say Al Jazeera vbg. Very big grin. Hmmm. I guess this wasn't serious discussion afterall. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Inspirational Story
RB Scott wrote: Great story. It's been circulating for weeks. Where did you first read it, Ron? Old news isn't very useful. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Soccer Rules!
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would MUCH rather watch a soccer game (or lacrosse game...or hockey game...) than watch basketball. I can't STAND basketball! -- I don't necessarily disagree with you here. That is, I don't particularly care for basketball myself. But I see it simply as being a fast-paced, higher-scoring version of soccer. The only thing I see in both sports is a bunch of people running from one side of the court or field to the other. But at least in basketball when someone shoots they usually at least hit the backboard. There are many instances (the majority) in soccer where the ball goes no where near the goal while shooting. I say if you have to have soccer, get rid of the regulation time and go straight to the penalty kicks that almost inevitably determine the outcome of the game since there are so many ties. It would save everyone a lot of time and anguish. Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right. When wrong, to be put right. -- Carl Schurz // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Small World of the Church
That's just too neat of a story! A real day-brightener...thanks for sharing! Heidi the fair [Original Message] From: Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2003 11:59:36 AM Subject: [ZION] The Small World of the Church I just wanted to share with you all something really neat. You know, as members of the church, it doesn't matter where we are, if we are with fellow LDS, we have a lot to talk about. It makes the world a smaller place. Inevitably, someone you meet knows someone you know, and you feel a closer connection. This is a story kinda like that. Well, way back before our wards spilt, a young couple moved into the ward. They had no children and he was there to do a three year residency at Memorial Hospital. When they found out they could not have children, they began adopting. I remember Stacy crying as she held her first baby girl, saying, She's so beautiful. I'd have taken her if she were homely, but look at her, she's just soo beautiful! They were blessed with a second daughter, and just this past month, a son. When Miles finished his residency, he set up practice here. I have always felt so close to Miles and Stacy. When Tom died, Miles was a huge source of comfort. I was extremely ill during the visitation, so I had to sit down to receive people, and Miles knelt down, held my hand, and spoke as a great priethood leader, of things not of this world, but in the world to come. Just lately, he was called as Bishop (about a month ago) for the South Bend Ward. O.K. now, I love doing genealogy. I have always loved reading histories and uncovering the mysteries we call ancestors. I especially love reading my dad's history. He died 23 years ago, so I feel close to him when I read his stuff. Last year, my sister found a legal pad that had Dad's handwritten draft of the typed history we all have. It is different from the typed version, more raw and with details he left out of the typed version for some reason. I used that handwritten version to share with my students this week, my dad's expreiences in WWII (we are doing a veteran's unit). Thursday, after I'd read this to my last class, I decided to re-read it for myself. I love to read his thoughts. Well, page 13 contained some notes he scribbled. It was obviously his notes for the section he called the Fabulous Fifties. It was during the 50's that he married my mom, had most of us kids, and joined the church. (as a side note, Orrin Hatch was one of my parent's missionaries). Anyway, one of the little notes said, 7 Dec 1957 Pat. Blessing, Reed Andrew, Detrioit Stake. Now, I have seen my dad's patriarchal blessing numerous times. I love reading over it. What I had never connected, is that his patriarch, Reed Andrew, didn't have an 's' on the end of his name. (connecting point here) This is the same as Miles and Stacy Andrew. As it turns out, Reed is Miles's grandfather! Stacy said that Reed is the one who sealed them when they were married--that he was a sealer in Salt Lake, and got special permission to fly to Chicago to seal them. How cool is that! Reed has since passed, but think about this; when my parents were baptized, they lived in Ohio. What are the odds, that in Northern Indiana, some 46 years later, descendents of early midwest saints would connect like this. Gotta love the TRUE church. val .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Introducing Gary Smith
LOVE the suggestion, Gary! We're only 6 hours from Nauvoo...let's plan on it! Heidi the fair [Original Message] From: Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2003 11:24:49 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] Introducing Gary Smith On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:33:16 -0500 Gerald Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I look forward to meeting those in the Indiana/Midwest area. What I would love, is for us to plan a Nauvoo reunion get-together next summer. Meet on a Saturday, go to a session, then dinner/lunch, and walk around the sites. Who's interested? I'm going to be pushing this from now until we organize something. Count me in. May I suggest the Nauvoo State Park as a gathering place (if they get the showers opened) for those wanting to stay the night (or two). Camping is fun and, for me, cheap. My sons and I stayed there this past summer and it's right in Nauvoo. The summer prior we stayed someplace else, farther away. It's not too far (a couple hours?) from Dyersville, Iowa, where the movie _Field of Dreams_ was filmed. That's a really neat site. Basically untouched since the movie. Anyway, picture a campfire, with s'mores, great conversation and Zionisti, on the banks of the Ole Mississippi, at sunset. It's beautiful. val All of you are welcome to use my home as a central pad for visiting the Church sites (or other visits). We're 5-6 hours from Nauvoo and Kirtland, and 8 hours from Independence Mo and Palmyra. K'aya K'ama, Gerald (Gary) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html LDS Evidences, Family History, Food Storage, etc. / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Starts with G guests
At 05:25 PM 11/14/2003, you wrote: Tom Matkin wrote: Sonnet 133 (Some children live for only just a while) by Tom Matkin, March 30, 2002 Some children live for only just a while Mere visitors not really part of us Perhaps they've proved themselves without this trial Not needing but a touch of all this fuss. It wounds us when they get their final call We grieve and fret and feel the hand of pain Invested as we are in loving all It hurts, but it's our duty to remain. We know they meet with glory where they go They lose no blessings from their shortened stay And leave their touch of heaven's love below To spark resolve to live a better way. So one day when our earthly stay is done Brief guests and us can once again be one. Ditto -- Lew -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Thoreau
The very simplicity and nakedness of man's life in the primitive ages imply this advantage, at least, that they left him still but a sojourner in nature. When he was refreshed with food and sleep, he contemplated his journey again. He dwelt, as it were, in a tent in this world, and was either threading the valleys, or crossing the plains, or climbing the mountain-tops. But lo! men have become the tools of their tools. The man who independently plucked the fruits when he was hungry is become a farmer; and he who stood under a tree for shelter, a housekeeper. We now no longer camp as for a night, but have settled down on earth and forgotten heaven. We have adopted Christianity merely as an improved method of agriculture. We have built for this world a family mansion, and for the next a family tomb. (Thoreau, Walden) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
