[ZION] Anyone else not getting Topica messages?

2002-10-15 Thread Geoff Fowler
Hi fellow Zionites, I have not been receiving any Topica messages from any of John Redelf's lists in my email. While I can go online and view them just fine, and I can also post to them via email, none of the posts are being mailed to me as I had specified in my settings on Topica. Anyone

Re: [ZION] DC sniper

2002-10-23 Thread Geoff FOWLER
and surrounding areas. The ransom note, however, has thrown me. I don't know what to make of it - whether it is legitimate or whether it is a decoy. Geoff Geoff Fowler Network Server Engineer Weber State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] 801-626-6088 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/02 04:18PM What do you all

[ZION] Study Bible in Hebrew, Greek, etc.

2002-10-29 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Hello, Does anyone know of an accurate study Bible in the original Hebrew and Greek? I would like to learn more about those biblical languages and I figure that this is the way to do it. However, I am unsure of which Bible to purchase. There are different interlinear ones, but what I am looking

Re: [ZION] Mormon's words on war

2002-10-31 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Gary appropriately wrote: It was actually chapter 7 of Mormon. Thank you - I appreciate the correction. :) Captain Moroni DID clear the wilderness areas of Lamanites. I agree that Captain Moroni did clear the wilderness. However, he did so under the pretext of defending his people. I guess

Re: [ZION] Study Bible in Hebrew, Greek, etc.

2002-10-31 Thread Geoff FOWLER
BTW - I found out the name of the Bible with 6 different languages / translations: Origen's Hexapla. Here is an online definition of what it contained: The Hexapla was an important work of biblical criticism, the magnum opus of Origen (185-254). In his discussions with the Jews, Origen became

Re: [ZION] Study Bible in Hebrew, Greek, etc.

2002-10-31 Thread Geoff FOWLER
national Bible society or Christian bookstore. Geoff FOWLER wrote: Hello, Does anyone know of an accurate study Bible in the original Hebrew and Greek? I would like to learn more about those biblical languages and I figure that this is the way to do it. However, I am unsure of which Bible

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Congratulations to her and your family. Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 05:11AM My daughter got her mission call yesterday, to Sao Paulo. She was basking in the irony. She had a terrible experience in Brasil this summer, and came back dreadfully ill and exhausted. Till

Re: [ZION] Mission Call

2002-11-07 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Not for her terrible experience and illness, but for the mission call. :) I am sure that she'll do a wonderful job and bless the Brazilian people. Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 12:45PM Congratulations to her and your family. Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/07/02 05:11AM My daughter got

Re: [ZION] Fwd: Your Consideration.

2002-11-08 Thread Geoff FOWLER
I humbly crave your indulgence?? Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/02 12:14PM Another of these entertaining invitations from Lagos... GREENFIELDS AGRO-ALLIED COMPANY. 10 BROAD STREET, LAGOS-NIGERIA. TEL: 2348023263622 Your Attention: First, I must solicit your strictest understanding in

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-12 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Paul wrote: I've snuck out a few times over the years and it makes me feel guilty. But, when I've gone shopping after midnight (Monday morning) my conscience is as clear as can be. What do you think of that? I love those loopholes. ;-) I don't consider them loopholes at all. When I started

Re: [ZION] One Party Rule?

2002-11-14 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Scott favored us with the following: I tend to use (not abuse) the Ox in the mire philosophy. For instance, there was a time a few months back where I had to run to the store for something we really needed on a Sunday. I felt really bad about it, and resolved more strongly to anticipate such

Re: [ZION] Does America need to be destroyed

2002-11-21 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Gary favored us all with: There clearly is a symbolic level to the marks. But often there are both physical and spiritual parts of a symbol. Babylon, for example, is an actual city in antiquity. It also symbolically represents the telestial world, built on greed and power. Although not all

Re: [ZION] Coffee, tea or eternity?

2002-11-22 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Stacy, in all seriousness, asked: Suppose I never learn to like them? Can I still get into the celestial kingdom without liking them? You'll like them. It's all a matter of faith - first you EAT, and then you'll LIKE. :) I didn't think liking (or eating) vegetables was a requirement for the

Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member InGoodStandingAfter Hav

2002-11-25 Thread Geoff FOWLER
I fully concur with Marc on this one; especially these statements: A. As far as the Church is concerned, if the offender has paid their debt to society and undergone whatever action the Church authorities determine, then he is forgiven. Please don't misconstrue the word forgiven in this context,

Re: [ZION] Just how can we serve?

2002-11-27 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Till favored us with: Should I have done more? Is there more we can do for complete strangers. Till, I think you did a terrific job. Unfortunately, in our society, genuine offers of help can be and often are misconstrued. I say pray to the Father and follow the promptings of the Spirit,

RE: [ZION] From Ýstanbul with love

2002-12-02 Thread Geoff FOWLER
A Mormon Armenian in Turkey? I wonder if most of the members there are either ex-Pats or other Christian peoples, as opposed to Turks. Although, thanks to Ataturk, it should be easier for the Church in Turkey than in most other Islamic nations. Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/29/02 10:04PM Dear

Re: [ZION] comparing rebellions

2002-12-02 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Which book was that? I had heard that his other books on OT women were a bit racy... but I have not read them myself. Have they been banned too? BTW, I have read most of the Ender's Game series (although I have to admit that the newest editions are a little too violent and graphic for me).

[ZION] Re: [ZION] From Ýstanbul with love

2002-12-04 Thread Geoff FOWLER
I guess it depends on whether or not you agree with his policies... :) Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/03/02 01:27PM Is that the Turkish version of attaboy? Jon Geoff FOWLER wrote: Although, thanks to Ataturk, it should be easier for the Church in Turkey than in most other Islamic nations

Re: [ZION] Re: [ZION] From Ýstanbul with love

2002-12-04 Thread Geoff FOWLER
on the Arabic alphabet to one that used the Roman alphabet, with a whole chunk of diacritical marks. His adopted name means Father of the Turk[ish Nation] The Turkish military steps in if the constitution is violated. Jon Spencer wrote: Is that the Turkish version of attaboy? Jon Geoff FOWLER wrote

Re: [ZION] Hell aint cussin'!

2002-12-05 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Chet favored us with the following: And every Protestant church I've dealt with has the doctrine that True Christians will be neutered angels in Heaven, with no more feeling for their spouse than one would have for a faithful brother or sister. If that is what they are expecting, and desire,

Re: [ZION] Animal sacrifice

2002-12-12 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Paul graced us with Are they declared Levites or Jews? What is the patriarch suppose to do when a Jew joins the church and says, I'm a Levite too. One is either a Jew or a Levite, but not both. While a Levite may be classed as a Jew per se by the world at large, he is still a Levite, as far as

Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-18 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Nici o problema - as the Romanians are fond of saying. Gepff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/02 01:53PM Yeah, and I think I made it even worse when I was trying to figure out how I got the two dates mixed up, and the only thing I was thinking of that could have made a neural short like that was de

Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-18 Thread Geoff FOWLER
After intense thought, Marc favored us with: This is also true, but it's a logical extension of the first, not something that's said explicitly to be inspired. I know it's a nit, but I think the Lord uses historical events, he doesn't cause them, else we wouldn't have free will*. His plan is

Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-18 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Gepff!? I have no idea who that is - apparently he speaks Romanian too. Strange... Geoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/02 02:16PM Nici o problema - as the Romanians are fond of saying. Gepff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/18/02 01:53PM Yeah, and I think I made it even worse when I was trying to

Re: [ZION] Curiosity About Alma 1:21

2002-12-18 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Marc intelligently replied: Be careful when you use Latinate terms: they are often more restrictive than LDS doctrines. [...] But that raises the philosophical dilemma of free will. We LDS do *not* believe God is omnipotent in the sense the Romans used this term -- we believe he's subject to

Re: [ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies

2002-12-20 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Jim mentioned: There also seem to be a number of CES employees who aptly fit the description of wolves among the flock. while Jon added: And we have found some in our stake. When they are discovered, they are gone. Now! While I can see how perhaps a few BYU professors have become,

Re: [ZION] Moral War

2003-01-24 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Gary favored us with: Are the Republican House and Senate not right now discussing issues to stop charter-prohibited subject? They may be talking about it, but unless something is actually done, and laws are passed and enforced, then it doesn't make the world any safer for the innocents.

Re: [ZION] Conditional divine love

2003-01-24 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Stephen, Great post! According to the prophets, then it appears that there are actually two types of love: 1. Divine love 2. Unconditional love They are not one and the same. However, it is true that our Heavenly Father has and exercises both, and that we are commanded to do likewise.

RE: [ZION] Conditional divine love

2003-01-24 Thread Geoff FOWLER
Stephen, I guess in order to clear up the semantics issue, we would need to turn to the scriptures and words of the prophets and determine how / when they use the term unconditional love. I had always thought that the term meant we were to love and forgive our fellowmen, no matter what they have