Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-24 Thread Jon Spencer
Never, or when you die, or when Christ returns, whichever comes first. Jon Cousin Bill wrote: > At some point in the past, Mark wrote: > > > Bill brings up an interesting point. Is it a good idea to work within a > party in order to change it? Presumably the answer is yes. What if the > party

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-23 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Mark Gregson wrote: > > > If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works > > within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders and > > elect better office holders (those that would agree with church teachings), > > then it would be possible to be a good Mormon a

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-23 Thread Paul Osborne
>Bill brings up an interesting point. Is it a good idea to work within a party in order to >change it? Presumably the answer is yes. What if the party currently supports every >charter violating thing in existence? Just where does one draw the line? Well, we have to realize that this is a fre

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-23 Thread Paul Osborne
Cousin Bill >If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works >within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders and >elect better office holders (those that would agree with church teachings), >then it would be possible to be a good Mormon and a good Democrat. Sou

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-23 Thread Cousin Bill
At some point in the past, Mark wrote: > Bill brings up an interesting point. Is it a good idea to work within a party in order to change it? Presumably the answer is yes. What if the party currently supports every charter violating thing in existence? Just where does one draw the line? --

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-23 Thread Mark Gregson
> If one defines a good Democrat as being someone who works > within the party to bring about a better platform, select better leaders and > elect better office holders (those that would agree with church teachings), > then it would be possible to be a good Mormon and a good Democrat. Thanks

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-23 Thread Cousin Bill
At some point in the past, Mark (and Marc) wrote: Marc: > > In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an independent -- as I recall the rules vary considerably from Mark: > What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register your "preference"? Is that true? And

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

2002-10-22 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Clifford M Dubery wrote: > Stephen, for some reason I didn't get your post so I am replying to Marc's and yours. > > I take my civic responsibilities seriously and decided some years ago, to join a >political party. My judgement was, the better party as far as my own beliefs and >interests go

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

2002-10-22 Thread Clifford M Dubery
ptures tell us? Clifford M Dubery - Original Message - From: Marc A. Schindler Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 06:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro As might your post wrt the list's charter :-/ If, otoh, he takes Pres. Jensen's approach, he wor

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

2002-10-22 Thread Marc A. Schindler
As might your post wrt the list's charter :-/ If, otoh, he takes Pres. Jensen's approach, he works as a force for good from within, then he's following the brethren's counsel. Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Clifford- > > Well well well, what a discussion about whether Castro was a > > communist as b

Re: Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-22 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Mark Gregson wrote: > > > In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an independent -- as I recall >the rules vary considerably from > > What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register your >"preference"? Is that true? And if it is, what's the point of it?

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

2002-10-22 Thread Scott McGee
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 01:45:06 -0600, "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Being a "member" of a party in our Westminster system means something > different than it does in the U.S. In the U.S. every voter registers for > a party (or as an independent -- as I recall the rules vary consider

RE: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

2002-10-22 Thread Stephen Beecroft
-Clifford- > Well well well, what a discussion about whether Castro was a > communist as before the revolution or even earlier. One would > think this some how negates his concerns about the poverty of > his people and the domination of his country by US corporations Yes, I suppose one might thin

Voting and parties (was Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro)

2002-10-22 Thread Mark Gregson
> In the U.S. every voter registers for a party (or as an independent -- as I recall >the rules vary considerably from What? You mean to say that you cannot vote in the US unless you register your "preference"? Is that true? And if it is, what's the point of it? Since your vote is secr

Re: [ZION] Cuba and Castro

2002-10-22 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Clifford M Dubery wrote: > > > If being a Democrat in the US is a threat to ones worthiness, where does that put >me, a member of the Australian Labor Party? > Being a "member" of a party in our Westminster system means something different than it does in the U.S. In the U.S. every voter regi

[ZION] Cuba and Castro

2002-10-21 Thread Clifford M Dubery
Well well well, what a discussion about whether Castro was a communist as before the revolution or even earlier. One would think this some how negates his concerns about the poverty of his people and the domination of his country by US corporations (read US interests). Of course he wasn't alon