At 11:13 PM 11/16/2002, Ronn wrote:
At 12:12 AM 11/17/02, Rick Mathis wrote:
At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote:
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
For what it's worth,
Oh, don't tell that to Quebeckers. It's their boisson national.
Ronn Blankenship wrote:
> At 12:12 AM 11/17/02, Rick Mathis wrote:
> >At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote:
> >>It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
> >>considered a medicine by doctors. I think
At 12:12 AM 11/17/02, Rick Mathis wrote:
At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote:
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
For what it's worth, I've used a couple of cans of Pepsi
At 07:56 PM 11/16/2002 -0800, Stacy wrote:
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
For what it's worth, I've used a couple of cans of Pepsi when I didn't have
access to one of my in
-Marc-
> Oh, NOW you've opened a can of worms. Ronn -- a short lecture on
> chemical nomenclature if you don't mind. What *do* those numbers
> before a chemical compound's name mean?
I'm not Ronn, nor to I play him on TV, but I did take organic chemistry
a couple of decades ago at BYU. Organic mo
At 09:56 PM 11/16/02, Stacy Smith wrote:
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
Caffeine can be used as a bronchodilator, too, and in fact was once used
for that purpose. Theophy
At 09:43 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Oh, NOW you've opened a can of worms.
Recall that the only way to re-can worms after the can has been opened is
to use a larger can.
Ronn -- a short lecture on chemical
nomenclature if you don't mind. What *do* those numbers before a chemical
It shocked me to realize that coffee has theophylline in it. That's
considered a medicine by doctors. I think it dilates the
bronchials. Interesting.
Stacy.
At 08:03 PM 11/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:
Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of "faux amis" (false cognates). So
what's "phyllin
Aren't adenosine receptors also part of the same pathways that opiates bond to?
That might explain the addictive nature of caffeine.
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> -Ronn-
> >> (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
> >> such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
> >
> > Oops. I m
No, Philos is "friendship, brotherly love", "phyllum" has an upsilon, not an iota
in it. "Tea-loving" would then be "theaphilic," and a tea lover a theaphile. Phylé
-- I just went to look it up -- means "tribe, group" (gender is neuter, so the
nominative article is hé). I'm assuming Linnaeus first
At 09:29 PM 11/16/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Ronn-
>> (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
>> such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
>
> Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . .
Also called "paraxanthine"; described as an adenosine receptor ligand
and a major metabol
Oh, NOW you've opened a can of worms. Ronn -- a short lecture on chemical
nomenclature if you don't mind. What *do* those numbers before a chemical
compound's name mean?
And while you're at it, do we live in a left-handed world or a right-handed world,
and why?
Stephen Beecroft wrote:
> -Ronn-
>
-Ronn-
>> (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
>> such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
>
> Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . .
Also called "paraxanthine"; described as an adenosine receptor ligand
and a major metabolite of caffeine at
http://www.sigma-aldrich.c
At 09:07 PM 11/16/02, Stephen Beecroft wrote:
-Ronn-
> (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
> such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
Perhaps because the "1,7" and the "tri" prefixes are mutually exclusive?
Just a guess. :)
Oops. I meant 1,7-dimethylxanthine . . .
At 09:03 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of "faux amis" (false cognates). So
what's "phylline" from? The only thing I can think of, going from my limited
knowledge of Greek, is "type" in the sense of something that's in a class of
things that have so
-Ronn-
> (FWIW, I've been unable to find out why there is apparently no
> such compound as 1,7-trimethylxanthine.
Perhaps because the "1,7" and the "tri" prefixes are mutually exclusive?
Just a guess. :)
Stephen
//
///
Interesting -- I didn't know that. A case of "faux amis" (false cognates). So
what's "phylline" from? The only thing I can think of, going from my limited
knowledge of Greek, is "type" in the sense of something that's in a class of
things that have something in common. (Same as the word "phylum") S
At 08:43 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
The term "theobromine", incidentally, comes from Greek, "drink of the
Gods", and
was applied to chocholate in drinkable form when it was first brought to
Europe.
"Theophylline", however, does not mean "friend of the gods," as one might
naively gu
The term "theobromine", incidentally, comes from Greek, "drink of the Gods", and
was applied to chocholate in drinkable form when it was first brought to Europe.
Ronn Blankenship wrote:
> At 02:48 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
> >Caffeine's chemical name is trimethylxanthine.
>
> 1,3,7-tr
At 02:48 PM 11/16/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Caffeine's chemical name is trimethylxanthine.
1,3,7-trimethylxanthine, to be precise. Or
1,3,7,-trimethyl 2,6-dioxopurine, or
3,7-dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione
Here's a link to a site that lists the other ingredients:
http://www.
Caffeine's chemical name is trimethylxanthine. Here's a link to a site that lists
the other ingredients:
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/dec2001/1007419335.Ch.r.html
I would say, offhand, that theobromine is the only other "active" ingredient; most
of the other things get oxidized during roast
What else does coffee have in it besides caffeine? Are there other active
ingredients?
Stacy.
At 03:08 PM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote:
Marc wrote:
>Many people assume it
>means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs
that we
>take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? N
It's cheaper, you bet. When I was attending a certain school then in Palo
Alto for a couple of weeks I was eating out every day because I was in a
motel room for those two weeks. I ate non-meat meals all the time for
those meals and I spent considerably less than I would have ordering the
mea
that, as far as I know, they have
> not commented upon. I believe that it is up to me to understand the best I
> can.
>
> And as far as I can tell, the veggies live the WoW better, on this topic,
> than does the average member I know (myself included).
>
> Jon
>
> ---
At 12:30 11/12/2002 -0900, BLT wrote:
After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
Till would maintain that this is really a typo and that sparringly is
what is really meant. It's obvious from the view here that we are to
wrestle with our dinners before we eat them.
Well, if you'd
This veggie thing is an interesting topic. The primary problem with eating
less meat is that it takes more time in preparation. My family has found
that we feel better and are in general more healthy when we eat less meat.
When we start (yet again) on this type of regimen, we do OK for 2 or 3
wee
Jon
- Original Message -
From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] "Social" Mormons (was: Liberal dems unveil...)
I think it means what it says, but the point is that
Hmmm. It seems to me that the phrase "should not be used only" from that
time period means that they "should not be used EXCEPT." You mileage, as
always, may vary.
Jon
John W. Redelfs wrote:
> After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
> >So exactly what does (paraphrasing from memory)
Reminds me of a joke whose punchline is, "Well, sir and madam, you see, sometimes
the bull wins..."
(We call 'em Rocky Mountain oysters around here, but steers don't have them
anymore)
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
> >Till would maintain that
In one piece. If it's larger, cut it up first.
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with:
> >I don't eat meat with every meal and certainly not every day. What does
> >sparingly mean?
>
> It just means that you should never eat a steak that is over 1.5 lbs. --J
Oh, I think every herb was put here for mankind's use. I used to date a
pharmacist, and she said that one of the first things they learn is that the
difference between a "drug" and a "poison" is "context" (meaning dose and
condition for which it's being prescribed, etc.). Heck, there's probably eve
After much pondering, Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with:
Till would maintain that this is really a typo and that sparringly is what
is really meant. It's obvious from the view here that we are to wrestle
with our dinners before we eat them.
Well, if you'd ever been to a rodeo, you know that wr
After much pondering, Paul Osborne favored us with:
I don't eat meat with every meal and certainly not every day. What does
sparingly mean?
It just means that you should never eat a steak that is over 1.5 lbs. --JWR
//
Marc wrote:
>Many people assume it
>means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs
that we
>take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No. Clearly we're not to drink
coffee or
>(green/black) tea. That's what it means, not "no caffeine." We tend to
get bogged
>down in unimport
At 11:37 11/12/2002 -0800, St Stacy wrote:
Then I'm in trouble because I use lots of convenience foods because I have
trouble cooking. I guess I'll have to tell the bishop that I'm working on
substituting some soy products for meat dishes but I'll need to know where
soy TV dinners, etc. exist.
At 13:23 11/12/2002 -0600, St Paul not Minnesota wrote:
I don't eat meat with every meal and certainly not every day. What does
sparingly mean?
Till would maintain that this is really a typo and that sparringly is what
is really meant. It's obvious from the view here that we are to wrestle
Then I'm in trouble because I use lots of convenience foods because I have
trouble cooking. I guess I'll have to tell the bishop that I'm working on
substituting some soy products for meat dishes but I'll need to know where
soy TV dinners, etc. exist.
Stacy.
At 11:46 AM 11/12/2002 -0700, you
>That is not what it says. It says, "Eat meat sparingly and they should
>not be used only in times of winter or hunger." To me that clearly
means
>that we should not limit our use of these things to winter or hunger.
But
>that we are to eat meat sparingly at all times.
I don't eat meat wit
There's been a lot of discussion about this. My own opinion is that, given speech
patterns of the day, the sentence is parsed better with a comma after "used". In
other words, it *does* restrict meat to only times of winter or hunger. The
phrase "not be used only" is anachronistically late 20th ce
I think it means what it says, but the point is that modern-day prophets have
defined what the WoW means for us. I'll give you an example. Many people assume it
means no caffeine, but if that were the case a good portion of OTC drugs that we
take would be verboten. Is decaff okay? No. Clearly we're
After much pondering, Jon Spencer favored us with:
So exactly what does (paraphrasing from memory) the following mean: "eat
meat sparingly and only in the winter" ?
That is not what it says. It says, "Eat meat sparingly and they should
not be used only in times of winter or hunger." To me th
So exactly what does (paraphrasing from memory) the following mean: "eat
meat sparingly and only in the winter" ?
Jon, soon to be on his way for a quarter pounder with cheese
Marc A. Schindler wrote:
Again, I say, we should follow the commandments of the prophets, and they
have
told us to get in
Actually that quote was from "Our Attorney Ernie," Ernest Wilkinson. Pres. Lee
referred to in passing. In any case, it's part of the demonization that the word
has undergone south of the border.
"John W. Redelfs" wrote:
> After much pondering, Stephen Beecroft favored us with:
> >Social Mormon, i
After much pondering, Stephen Beecroft favored us with:
Social Mormon, indeed. Note that it's not hard for him to say he's
liberal among Mormons; rather, it's hard for him to acknowledge he's
Mormon among liberals. In my personal experience, I find this fairly
typical for those American Latter-day
Sounds like an interesting book. I'll get it. I thought a social Mormon
was one who never went to church, used coffee and tea but was involved in
cultural events.
Stacy.
At 07:23 AM 11/10/2002 +, you wrote:
If Satan can't intimidate or bully us with physical trials, he'll often
try to f
Again, I say, we should follow the commandments of the prophets, and they have
told us to get involved in politics. I don't see that that implies necessarily
that we'll get involved at the expense of the Gospel. Quite the opposite, since
we're doing what we're told to do. It's just like the Word of
If Satan can't intimidate or bully us with physical trials, he'll often
try to fool us with substitute issues and programs. He would like us to
invest our time, talents, and energy in causes that are not the cause of
Zion, in the hope they may ultimately replace our commitment to the
gospel. O
-Jim-
> In my experience it is common to find "social" mormons with a
> misplaced sense of loyalty to such matters. They identify more
> strongly with sociopolitical ideology than with their faith in
> Christ.
Funny you should write this, Jim. Just today, I was bathing in raw
sewage, er, that is
48 matches
Mail list logo
