P.S.: Sorry about that. I forgot about the list charter. Maybe
mentioning that these guys merely exist is a violation.
Stacy.
At 02:11 PM 09/14/2003 +, you wrote:
Stacy Smith wrote:
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The implications are that people from the far East are better?
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I implied no such thing, but since
I don't know if they can just throw their wives away, abuse them, etc. I
suppose so, since it seems that I heard on 20/20 once that there are
American pedofiles who just love the Far East for their lack of
surveillance on the sexual activities of American men with practically
children. The on
Stacy Smith wrote:
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The implications are that people from the far East are better?
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I implied no such thing, but since you asked, perhaps you could please
instruct us on the subject of Far Eastern culture and marriage customs.
Are their marriages better or worse than ours? How and why?
Paul Osborne wrote:
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This is outdated counsel and no longer meets with the necessary needs
and requirements of many saints in a changing world that places new
demands on families. I see President Hinckley has been slowly
superseding this counsel at a rate that is not too far behind the trend
The implications are that people from the far East are better?
Stacy.
At 02:06 AM 09/11/2003 +, you wrote:
I wish I could understand why the contemporary western view is that our
women are so transcendingly enlightened. Nothing could be further from
the truth.
Most contemporary western wom
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 02:06:26 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Perhaps we could conduct a survey of views on importance of
> following
> President Benson's counsel about mothers not working outside the
> home.
> Or perhaps we could find some statistics regarding women married in
I wish I could understand why the contemporary western view is that our
women are so transcendingly enlightened. Nothing could be further from
the truth.
Most contemporary western women have no regard for the correct
principles of the gospel as they pertain specifically to women.
Perhaps w
h our desired relationship
with Christ.
George
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From: "Paul Osborne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class
>
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55
eptember 10, 2003 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class
>
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:36 -0600 George Cobabe
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Paul, before you go through a tirade like that you really ought to
>
>
> Well, I've looked at th
ent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class
>
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:31 -0400 Chet Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul
> > (not
> > Paul Osborn
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:55:36 -0600 George Cobabe
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Paul, before you go through a tirade like that you really ought to
Well, I've looked at the subject and from what I have read about the Jews
they treated their woman like second class citizens. Don't the scriptures
be
ay, September 10, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class
>
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:31 -0400 Chet Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> > Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul
> > (not
> > Paul Osborne) actually
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:32:31 -0400 Chet Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul
> (not
> Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women
> to
> RULE in church. If you read the rest of Paul's letter, it's pretty
> obvi
Kent Francis opinions:
as Paul stated in 1 Cor 11:16 on the hair issue "but if any man seem to be
contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God".
How much of his advice to the Corinthians is opinion and how much doctrine?
On the subject of white shirts and hair length in the mod
Since Joseph noted that Paul had been mistranslated -- what Paul (not
Paul Osborne) actually advised was that it wasn't correct for women to
RULE in church. If you read the rest of Paul's letter, it's pretty
obvious that men shouldn't RULE in church either.
*jeep!
--Chet
"Start by doing wha
Paul Osborne wrote:
> Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's "guidance"
> should be taken as from the Lord on these matters?
>
> ___
>
> Of course not. I think it is perfectly alright
> for the sisters to speak at Church.
>
> Larry Jackson
Classic example of how Bible culture can be
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:09:57 GMT Larry Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
> Stacy Smith:
>
> Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's "guidance"
> should be taken as from the Lord on these matters?
>
> ___
>
> Of course not. I think it is perfectly alright
> for the sisters t
From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class
> Rick Mathis wrote:
> >What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According
Repentance might be gradual, going from four to three to two to onenicators,
and eventually reaching no takers.
Jon
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From: "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ZIO
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 9/8/2003 11:49:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class
>
> Rick Mathis wrote:
> >What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According
to
> >what we have in the New Testament, Paul definitely had hi
Heidi Page:
... I've got one for you.
Any suggestions as to how to help her?
___
[sick humor alert]
Well, according to this discussion, she was obviously
living in sin since she was still with her husband,
and she should go to her bishop and repent.
[end sick humor]
Now, disregar
Date: 9/8/2003 11:49:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] Confusion in Gospel Doctrine Class
>
> Rick Mathis wrote:
> >What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According
to
> >what we have in the New Testament, Paul definitely had his own set of
> >issues,
Stacy Smith:
Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's "guidance"
should be taken as from the Lord on these matters?
___
Of course not. I think it is perfectly alright
for the sisters to speak at Church.
Larry Jackson
__
Good point. When Jesus was associating with these people they were
definitely outsiders. The general complaint was that he was associating
with the lowest class of people.
Stacy.
At 08:25 AM 09/08/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Rick Mathis wrote:
What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with s
Rick Mathis wrote:
What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According to
what we have in the New Testament, Paul definitely had his own set of
issues, including bragging about correcting the President of the Church at
that time. He was a product of his culture and training.
Stacy Smith wrote:
More to the point, those Scriptures in and of themselves speak nothing
about those who have repented of fornication being all right to be
fellowshipped. Why not?
Those who have repented of fornication are no longer fornicators. --JWR
/
Are you suggesting that not all of Paul's "guidance" should be taken as
from the Lord on these matters?
Stacy.
At 07:34 AM 09/08/2003 -0700, you wrote:
At 11:21 PM 9/7/2003 -0800, The BLT wrote:
. . . in the Church we shouldn't associate with unrepentant
fornicators. Was Paul a self-righteous
At 11:21 PM 9/7/2003 -0800, The BLT wrote:
. . . in the Church we shouldn't associate with unrepentant
fornicators. Was Paul a self-righteous bigot, or what?
What did Jesus do? Did he refuse to associate with sinners? According to
what we have in the New Testament, Paul definitely had his own
More to the point, those Scriptures in and of themselves speak nothing
about those who have repented of fornication being all right to be
fellowshipped. Why not?
Stacy.
At 11:21 PM 09/07/2003 -0800, you wrote:
I am fascinated by Church members disagreeing with the scriptures. This
morning i
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