Re: [ZION] Iraq

er" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Iraq Why? Since when do those who prefer peace bear responsibility for others' actions? Do we also bear the responsibility for the thousands of people who have di

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t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Iraq > >Saddam will go. > > > >And as hard as it is to imagine, I guess I, too, could be wrong. > > > You're not wrong this time. His days are numbe

[ZION] Iraq

The Blob and Snail has a good section today -- a backgrounder on the whole Iraqi inspections situation: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/backgrounder/iraq/stories/faq.html -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland “Knowledge may give weight, but accomplis

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Larry, here's another quote from you, this time from The Economist (14/12/02). It's also pretty clear and unequivocal in its language. This is from an article on p. 40, called "Lethal poker": "This partly explains why America, controversially, arranged for the circulating copy of the dossier [that

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>Saddam will go. > >And as hard as it is to imagine, I guess I, too, could be wrong. You're not wrong this time. His days are numbered and the writing is on the wall. I'm in favor of a war with Iraq based on what I know about the situation. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Jon Spencer wrote: > You are probably wrong. > > War is not imminent because we are not ready. We will be in about one > month. > So why did two complete naval battle groups start sailing *out of* the Middle East earlier this week? Actually, this is an area where my "prognostication" has a wea

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guess I, too, could be wrong. Jon - Original Message - From: "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "zion-l" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: [ZION] Iraq I can't say "I told you so" yet but Bush

[ZION] Iraq

Am I For or Against War in Iraq? Somebody Please Persuade Me, pleads Globe and Mail columnist and Generation-X'er Doug Saunders, writing from CFB Kingston (where my son has taken sigint training, incidentally, and near where he's currently attending university): <

[ZION] Iraq

I can't say "I told you so" yet but Bush has announced today that despite the omissions in the report on WMD delivered by Iraq to the UN (and only today being given to the non-permanent members of the Security Council, incidentally), war is not imminent. I've been of the opinion since this issue a

[ZION] Iraq: what's next?

I'm afraid Richard Butler, an Australian member of the last UN inspection team, is right: the Iraqi reaction to the UN Security Council resolution on arms inspection is liable to be wishy-washy. What will the US response be? http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=50600&id=20021109211

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

I can only say "amen". I'm also upset that I have to pay GST on things I buy from the States. I think a US plant would rather set up in a maquiladora in Ciudad Juarez, for instance, where environmental and labour laws are primitive, than allow those same workers into an Arizona or Texas plant. It's

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

At 08:07 PM, Friday, 11/1/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: I'm sorry to hear that. It can be very disruptive and discouraging, and I wish you all the best in finding something you enjoy as soon as possible. And seriously, if you're a high-tech worker or a professional in various other departments, a

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

Double bummer. Well, look after your own emotional health, too. I've learned the hard way that physical illness can have all kinds of psychological effects which in turn exacerbate the physical illness. I wish I had known that before I "decided" to get sick. :-/ You'll be in our prayers. Steven M

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

Now, if we can just stop the flow of terrorists from the US into our country that'll be even better. Grampa Bill wrote: > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > > Our foreign affairs people > >are advising Canadian citizens who were born in the Middle East not to travel via >the US. > > > ===

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

>Ok, I was just asking. Yet, it was not entirely a "throw away remark," as >after four years at a job that was perfect for myself and family at the >time, I now find myself among the ranks of the unemployed. O dear! I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you get... Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] __

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I'm sorry to hear that. It can be very disruptive and discouraging, and I wish you all the best in finding something you enjoy as soon as possible. And seriously, if you're a high-tech worker or a professional in various other departments, as a citizen of a NAFTA country you can get a job anywhere

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Marc A. Schindler wrote: Our foreign affairs people are advising Canadian citizens who were born in the Middle East not to travel via the US. = Grampa Bill comments: Well, that's about the best news I've heard lately! "Don't waste the atonement." Sue Woodbury, Oc

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > when it can dip *below* -40oC (which is also, as you probably > > know, -40oF). > > This is unnecessarily cruel. There was no need to preempt my favorite > smart-alek comment. Meanie. > You mean how F really means Foreignheat? > > Stephen > > Automobiles do

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

Ok, I was just asking. Yet, it was not entirely a "throw away remark," as after four years at a job that was perfect for myself and family at the time, I now find myself among the ranks of the unemployed. -- Steven Montgomery At 11:29 AM 11/1/2002, you wrote: Well, I'm not a headhunter so can't

RE: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

-Marc- > when it can dip *below* -40oC (which is also, as you probably > know, -40oF). This is unnecessarily cruel. There was no need to preempt my favorite smart-alek comment. Meanie. Stephen Automobiles don't kill people. People driving automobiles kill people. And the sooner we can get all

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

Well, I'm not a headhunter so can't say, and realize this is a "throw-away remark," but since I'm still an Alberta civil servant responsible for high-tech trade promotion, even though I'm on medical leave, the salesman cells in my blood (vendocytes, they're called...) are still there. Heaven knows

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

At 05:42 PM, Thursday, 10/31/02, Paul Osborne wrote: Not me, Marc. The damage done by a bat could leave me in terrible shape with broken bones and a bashed in skull. The gun will probably kill me and send me on my way to bliss. So, I'll take the gun & bullet, please, with a coke and an order of fr

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

>You really don't want to get into this again. I'd rather face a guy with a bat than >a guy with a firearm. Not me, Marc. The damage done by a bat could leave me in terrible shape with broken bones and a bashed in skull. The gun will probably kill me and send me on my way to bliss. So, I'll take

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Things have changed indeed. Got any good job openings up there in maple leaf land? -- Steven Montgomery At 02:40 PM 10/31/2002, you wrote: You really don't want to get into this again. I'd rather face a guy with a bat than a guy with a firearm. Common sense. Ironically, a Canadian is now in a N

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

You really don't want to get into this again. I'd rather face a guy with a bat than a guy with a firearm. Common sense. Ironically, a Canadian is now in a New York state jail because he brought his hunting rifle with him as he crossed the border to fill up at a gas station 15 metres from the border

Re: [ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

At 08:46 PM, Wednesday, 10/30/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Guns don't kill people; people with guns kill people. And people with knives. And people with rocks. And people with baseball bats. A few years ago her

[ZION] Iraq: letters in Meridian

Some interesting letters on both sides of the issue in the latest Meridian magazine: http://www.meridianmagazine.com/letters/index.html -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Guns don’t kill people; people with guns kill people Note: This communicati

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > I believe that in general prophecies tend to be broader than just > > one issue, and it's we members who narrow them down (all of us, or > > most of us). > > I tend to agree with this. Interesting, then, that you wrote: > > > and Elder Nelson's words were, a

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-Marc- > I believe that in general prophecies tend to be broader than just > one issue, and it's we members who narrow them down (all of us, or > most of us). I tend to agree with this. Interesting, then, that you wrote: > and Elder Nelson's words were, as far as I'm concerned, very clear > and

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Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -Marc- > > Stephen, I'm not going to engage in point-by-point games here. > > Life's too short, > > Not that I necessarily disagree with the above, but if that's how you > feel, why are you so willing to engage in "point-by-point games" at > other times? > I'm human.

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-Marc- > Stephen, I'm not going to engage in point-by-point games here. > Life's too short, Not that I necessarily disagree with the above, but if that's how you feel, why are you so willing to engage in "point-by-point games" at other times? > and Elder Nelson's words were, as far as I'm conc

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Stephen, I'm not going to engage in point-by-point games here. Life's too short, and Elder Nelson's words were, as far as I'm concerned, very clear and unamibiguous. Dan, in the course of his discussion, which wasn't just about Elder Nelson's talk, has used two sources. I criticized the first one

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-Marc- > Just read over Elder Nelson's talk when it comes out in the > Ensign. I myself have a difficult time seeing how people can > still, with all due respect, "not get it" after hearing this talk. And I have a difficult time seeing why people are so eager to twist an apostle's words into sup

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

September 11th was a defining moment in history, it showed that America could be attacked within her own borders; it didn't need an ICBM as has been the thinking. It would be tragic that when (not if) it happens again; and what could be the outcome (will cities not buildings lay waste)? Lastel

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Except for the problem of western militarism. Gary Smith wrote: > There is an easy solution to the Iraq problem. Instead of invading, just > drop a major 20,000 ton bomb on one of his presidential compounds and > flatten it. Then tell Saddam that every week we'll flatten another > compound until

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

>There is an easy solution to the Iraq problem. Instead of invading, just >drop a major 20,000 ton bomb on one of his presidential compounds and >flatten it. Then tell Saddam that every week we'll flatten another >compound until he agrees to let inspectors visit everywhere. Either way, >the proble

[ZION] Iraq and War

There is an easy solution to the Iraq problem. Instead of invading, just drop a major 20,000 ton bomb on one of his presidential compounds and flatten it. Then tell Saddam that every week we'll flatten another compound until he agrees to let inspectors visit everywhere. Either way, the problem wil

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

Just read over Elder Nelson's talk when it comes out in the Ensign. I myself have a difficult time seeing how people can still, with all due respect, "not get it" after hearing this talk. He said "as a CHURCH we should renounce war" and emphasized that it would be the descendants of Ishmael and

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>It appears to me that is only a matter of time before Saddam does the same. > >Should a nation sit back and let it happen or should there be a response? Saddam is a stupid idiot. I don't think he is any threat to the USA. I think America needs to mind there own business and let the other cou

Re: [ZION] Iraq and War

Within the first chapters of the Book of Mormon it talks about Nephi chopping off the head of Laban. Toward the end of the Book of Mormon it talks about Mormon and Moroni warring against the Lamanites. In between, there is bloodshed and it gives me the impression as long as one is fighting fo

[ZION] Iraq and War

I definitely find it interesting how his talk should bring the saints back to where we should be: peacemakers. I have pondered much about the war w/Iraq over the past month or two, and have concluded that I'll support my country in whatever it decides, however I think we should back off of war unt

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I don't mean to belabour the point, but I'm sometimes amazed at the things you and I agree on. This could be bad for your reputation, you know "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > > I felt that it should throw a bucket of cold water on some of those saints who are >in favor of a war with Iraq. He sa

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At 03:48 PM 10/5/02 -0600 Marc A. Schindler favored us with: >Elder Russell M. Nelson's talk -- did you notice his emphasis on how >Ishmael and Jacob's cooperation following their father's death should >serve as an example, that their present-day descendants should emerge as >peacemakers in the re

[ZION] Iraq and war

Elder Russell M. Nelson's talk -- did you notice his emphasis on how Ishmael and Jacob's cooperation following their father's death should serve as an example, that their present-day descendants should emerge as peacemakers in the region? What think ye? -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta

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Actually, I do agree that this is a big mistake. Since probably at most only 1/2 of your armed forces are fighting forces, when the Mexican army reaches your border with the US, you may really miss those 2,000. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Canada ready to send 2 000 troops along with US forces

[ZION] Iraq and war

Canada ready to send 2 000 troops along with US forces to Iraq (this is about the same that was committed in the Afghan conflict). Big mistake, imo. But you probably already knew that. http://www.canada.com/edmonton/story.asp?id={46C902C1-54EA-48C3-AF0D-328588B036B8} -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce