Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-21 Thread Jeff Victor
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:33 PM, Mike Gerdts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Jeff Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kevin, I believe that you cannot patch your way from U1 to U5 - i.e. that the system is missing some functionality that would be there if you had

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-18 Thread Glenn Brunette
Mike, Mike Gerdts wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Glenn Brunette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, This actually hits on a similar request that I have (but for different reasons). I would like a stable interface from which I could tell the update revision of a system. This seems

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-18 Thread James Carlson
Glenn Brunette writes: This actually hits on a similar request that I have (but for different reasons). I would like a stable interface from which I could tell the update revision of a system. We have no such thing. It's not clear to me how such a thing would work. Suppose someone installs

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-18 Thread Jordan Brown
Mike Gerdts wrote: When really important features are released as new packages genesis patches are delivered to deliver the feature. Sometimes, but not always. In fact, I'd have to say usually not. The Genesis technique is not without its problems, and is considered controversial.

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-18 Thread Enda O'Connor
Hi I'd agree with James, the update revision is sometimes a blurry picture, ie cat /etc/release will tell me that my system is 1/06 ( update 1 if I remember correctly ) but if I have applied the latest jumbo kernel patch 137137-09 I essentially have a lot of the u6 functionality ( a lot but

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-18 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Enda O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So sometimes an update might be meaningless, ie I can have an x86 FCS system ( from cat /etc/release ) but it has grub,zfs and all the latest zones functionality, just by adding 137137-09, plus the near 30 patches

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-18 Thread James Carlson
Mike Gerdts writes: On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Enda O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me they probably need a patch automation tool to tell them what is currently available in terms of patching, and they see what they need from that. Interface changes always have an associated

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-17 Thread Young, Kevin
-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Young, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious if you have plans to make it Solaris 10 compatible. I do all development on Solaris 10. The script makes an effort to distinguish between the different

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-17 Thread Jeff Victor
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Mike Gerdts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Jeff Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, the clearest example would be a kstat, per zone, which provides the total amount of CPU time for all of the processes in each zone, since the zone

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-17 Thread Glenn Brunette
Subject: Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Young, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious if you have plans to make it Solaris 10 compatible. I do all development on Solaris 10. The script makes an effort

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-17 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Jeff Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kevin, I believe that you cannot patch your way from U1 to U5 - i.e. that the system is missing some functionality that would be there if you had applied the updates - but your point is still valid. I will look into the

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-17 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Glenn Brunette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, This actually hits on a similar request that I have (but for different reasons). I would like a stable interface from which I could tell the update revision of a system. This seems to be another case for

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-16 Thread Jeff Victor
Peter, Your statements are exactly the reason(s) I wrote this prototype. Solaris engineering is researching this topic, and at listening as we type... :-) They are very interested in feedback generated by the use of this prototype. Any specific ideas you have regarding kstats you think we need,

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-16 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Jeff Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, the clearest example would be a kstat, per zone, which provides the total amount of CPU time for all of the processes in each zone, since the zone booted. This would enable tools like zonestat to request the datum

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-14 Thread Peter Tribble
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Jeff Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has become clear that there is a need to monitor resource consumption of workloads in zones, and an easy method to compare consumption to resource controls. In order to understand how a software tool could fulfill this

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-10 Thread Jeff Victor
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Mike Gerdts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zonestat intro snipped If you have any comments, or suggestions for improvement, please let me know on this e-mail list or via private e-mail. I've had

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-10 Thread Young, Kevin
I am curious if you have plans to make it Solaris 10 compatible. -= Kevin =- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Victor Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:54 PM To: zones-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics:

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-10 Thread Jeff Victor
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Young, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious if you have plans to make it Solaris 10 compatible. I do all development on Solaris 10. The script makes an effort to distinguish between the different capabilities of the different Solaris 10 updates.

Re: [zones-discuss] Zone Statistics: monitoring resource use of zones

2008-11-09 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Jeff Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has become clear that there is a need to monitor resource consumption of workloads in zones, and an easy method to compare consumption to resource controls. In order to understand how a software tool could fulfill this