Hi Philipp
[...]
Stephan Richter wrote:
I totally disagree. I, as a Zope 3 developer, have to learn
Zope 2 and Five.
What makes you think so? I, for one, have not the slightest
clue of how zope.wfmc works.
Still I'm able to contribute to Zope 3, am I not? If I
refactor something, I
Hi Zope3 developers
[...]
On Thursday 24 November 2005 00:41, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
At least no one is expecting to make such big changes by
yourself. Being
stubborn and refusing to do further contributions, be they
large or small,
isn't going to get us anywhere. The people
Roger Ineichen wrote:
What makes you think so? I, for one, have not the slightest
clue of how zope.wfmc works.
Still I'm able to contribute to Zope 3, am I not? If I
refactor something, I might even
have to touch zope.wfmc, but for the most part this could be
very superficial.
That's
Chris McDonough wrote:
I really, really appreciate Phil taking the time to propose this no
matter what happens.
Chris, I won't bother you with a detailed answer (esp. to some points that were
not quite
correct about Zope 3 not caring about backward compat). I just wanted to say
that I also
Roger Ineichen wrote:
Btw, do we really count developer where are voting but never
contributed to the z3 trunk? I think normaly yes. But this is a
proposal where I think should be up to the Zope3 developer
to decide.
Uh, why only Zope3 developers? This affects the whole Zope community!
Hi Philipp
Roger Ineichen wrote:
What makes you think so? I, for one, have not the slightest
clue of how zope.wfmc works.
Still I'm able to contribute to Zope 3, am I not? If I
refactor something, I might even
have to touch zope.wfmc, but for the most part this could be
very
Alexander Limi wrote:
I can assure you that I have no good intentions whatsoever, just a
desire to see the I clicked the Clear Catalog button, now what do I
do questions on plone-users decrease.
I thought that was how you got a Plone upgrade to work in less than a
day ;-)
(...and then Find
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Here is the list w/ improvements ante portas:
1) Icons for add-dropdown list
+1
2) History + History compare for all objects and more useable diff
+10
...but how does this work when the objects can't sensible show history
or be compared?
3) warning when commiting
Julien Anguenot wrote:
[snip]
And what about the acceptance of Zope3 *outside* the Zope community ?
Zope3 will look like more complicated and confusing doing a merge.
People building on Zope 3 will presumably mostly be working with a Zope
3 release, which will not include Zope 2. So, they
Hi Philipp
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Subject: RE: [Zope3-dev] RFC:
Chris Withers schrieb:
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Here is the list w/ improvements ante portas:
1) Icons for add-dropdown list
+1
2) History + History compare for all objects and more useable diff
+10
...but how does this work when the objects can't sensible show history
or be compared?
Stephan Richter wrote:
[snip]
So you think it is better to loose the existing Zope 3 developers in
anticipation of more community involvement? This would be Zope 3's death blow
as we know it, because it would stall Zope 3 for several months. Honestly, I
rather have less exposure and keep the
Martijn Faassen wrote:
...
Outside the Zope community Zope 3 doesn't have such a great image
indeed. It's either ignored, or it's actively rejected. There is a lot
of competition with other frameworks. Zope 3 is currently not doing
particularly well in this competition, something we need to
Hi
[...]
Martijn Faassen wrote:
...
Outside the Zope community Zope 3 doesn't have such a great image
indeed. It's either ignored, or it's actively rejected.
There is a lot
of competition with other frameworks. Zope 3 is currently not doing
particularly well in this
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Thursday 24 November 2005 00:41, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
At least no one is expecting to make such big changes by yourself. Being
stubborn and refusing to do further contributions, be they large or small,
isn't going to get us anywhere. The people who are so
Hi there,
Roger Ineichen wrote:
[snip]
I really think we should stop draw a vision where we will get a
on cklick migration for custom projects. Then this is what people
normaly expectt if we speak about a migration path.
What vision is this? I don't think anybody has been proposing this
On Thursday 24 November 2005 01:39, Chris McDonough wrote:
- There doesn't seem to be as much of a commitment in the
Z3 community to backwards compatibility as
there is for Z2. Notes like Stephan's last one where
he says I have made deep changes in the past that affect
the entire
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
[snip]
It is a bit like this: the zope2 community wants the zope3 technology
and zope3 wants the zope2 community.
I like this analysis. :)
I think the question about the technology should be treated as such on a
technical level, by bridging the technical gap (Five,
On Thursday 24 November 2005 01:18, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Why would it stall Zope 3 development?
Because you would immediately loose a bunch of contributors.
You still haven't given me a good reason why we would actually *lose*
contributors.
Because they will not bother
On Thursday 24 November 2005 01:18, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
For me, anything that adds code to the file structure is clutter. Period.
You're over-irrationalizing here. We all know that the Zope 2 code
structure has flaws, but it's not like Zope 3 is perfect either. I don't
think
On 24 Nov 2005, at 10:54, Florent Guillaume wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Thursday 24 November 2005 00:41, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
At least no one is expecting to make such big changes by
yourself. Being
stubborn and refusing to do further contributions, be they large
or
On Thursday 24 November 2005 01:18, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Can you read and potentially fix doctests? I *know* you can :). Tell me,
other than the fact that you keep saying you refuse to learn Five, makes
fixing a Five doctest different from a, say, zope.app.tree doctest? It's
not
On Thursday 24 November 2005 03:57, Roger Ineichen wrote:
And if
not, I have some trusty community members who can help me on a branch.
That's excatly what we don't whant. We are not able to develope
and ask others for fixes. This whon't work.
Yep, I was implying that in my post. I will
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
[snip]
It is a bit like this: the zope2 community wants the zope3 technology
and zope3 wants the zope2 community.
I like this analysis. :)
I think the question about the technology should be treated as such
on a technical level, by
I think this change can possibly make sense when we have replaced Zope
2 authentication with Zope 3s, and when we have replaces Zope 2
publisher with Zope 3s and when we have replaced the Zope 2 traversal
with Zope3s, and maybe a couple of other things.
At that point, Zope2 will more or less be
Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
[snip]
I think you're mixing the notions of community and of community of
interests.
I don't think that the goal is to merge communities, the goal is to make
good software and not have different entities fight on framework
technologies. It is to stir common
On Thursday 24 November 2005 03:57, Roger Ineichen wrote:
reason what we should do for Zope2 developer so that they will
contribute more. I think you don't speak for all of them and belive that
a good skilled developer is able to get ver easy into the Zope3
development.
This is a really good
On Thursday 24 November 2005 05:36, Martijn Faassen wrote:
I don't think that threats to leave and portrayals of utter doom are a
fair way to discuss this, Stephan. I must say I find it extremely ironic
to hear from you that stalling Zope 3 for several months is a death blow
to Zope 3 -- where
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Wednesday 23 November 2005 10:16, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm serious. Looking for your comments at:
http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ReuniteZope2AndZope3InTheSourceCodeRepository
I am -1. If I could I would veto
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
...
People keep telling Zope2 developers that the inclusion of Zope3
doesn't mean you have to touch it, if you don't use it it is just inert
code that won't cause any change in your Zope2 development style.
Hee hee. And they believed it? Do they wanna buy a
Jim Fulton wrote:
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
...
People keep telling Zope2 developers that the inclusion of Zope3
doesn't mean you have to touch it, if you don't use it it is just
inert code that won't cause any change in your Zope2 development style.
Hee hee. And they believed it? Do they
On Nov 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
I recall a slightly different discussion I was involved in. I
remember Zope 2 core developers worrying about the inclusion of
Five in Zope 2.8; they were worried they'd need to maintain its
codebase.
I was one of these people. Since
Chris McDonough wrote:
On Nov 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
I recall a slightly different discussion I was involved in. I
remember Zope 2 core developers worrying about the inclusion of Five
in Zope 2.8; they were worried they'd need to maintain its codebase.
I was one of
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm serious. Looking for your comments at:
http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ReuniteZope2AndZope3InTheSourceCodeRepository
I love this idea! But I think it's still a bit too early to pursue it.
In the next release cycle, I want to, finally,
On Nov 24, 2005, at 6:42 AM, Stephan Richter wrote:
On Thursday 24 November 2005 01:39, Chris McDonough wrote:
- There doesn't seem to be as much of a commitment in the
Z3 community to backwards compatibility as
there is for Z2. Notes like Stephan's last one where
he says I have made
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:17:02 -0800, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some projects that I'd really like to see worked on soon:
- Use a common publisher framework
- Use a common security framework
- Share common ZPT implementations
Can I add use a common datetime implementation? ;)
I
Jim Fulton wrote:
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm serious. Looking for your comments at:
http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ReuniteZope2AndZope3InTheSourceCodeRepository
I love this idea!
Ok.
But I think it's still a bit too early to pursue it.
Perhaps so. Other
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 11:03:35PM +0800, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
I'd love to participate in some sprints on these.
Me too.
PyCon Dallas 2006 is only 3 months away and would be a great opportunity
for such sprints. There's nothing about Zope here yet:
On 11/24/05 8:54 AM, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
I recall a slightly different discussion I was involved in. I
remember Zope 2 core developers worrying about the inclusion of
Five in Zope 2.8; they were worried they'd need to
Paul Winkler wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 11:03:35PM +0800, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
I'd love to participate in some sprints on these.
Me too.
PyCon Dallas 2006 is only 3 months away and would be a great opportunity
for such sprints. There's nothing about Zope here yet:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:59:46PM +0100, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Cool to hear you're giving Five related talks. Is there any description
of these available online? (not that it's likely I'll be able to attend
PyCon, but I'm very curious)
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon2006/Talks
They're
On Thursday 24 November 2005 09:17, Jim Fulton wrote:
Now (well, after the December release :), I think it's time to revisit
what the core of Zope 3 is and how we manage the repository. There has
been a trend to manage important components separately and link them in. I
see this trend
Jürgen Herrmann wrote:
hi there!
is it possible to replace the standard_error_message dtml method by
a page template? has anybody done this? seems like i don't get
error_type, error_tb etc...
you're looking for:
options/error_type
options/error_tb
:-)
Chris
--
Simplistix - Content
Jens Vagelpohl wrote:
Zope itself does not ship with an init.d script. So yes, this is most
likely a distribution/packaging issue that should be brought to the
packagers' attention.
FWIW, I've always found symlinking zopectl into init.d to work just fine...
Chris
--
Simplistix - Content
On 11/23/05, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jürgen,
Many thanks for even thinking about looking at the DateTime debacle ;)
Jürgen Herrmann wrote:
Well, that would be cool. Just a question: How do you plan to keep and
verify backwards compatibility? Any database, with any type of
Hi Fernando,
In my debian distro, in order to have an init.d script, I added a new
file in /etc/init.d, let's name it zope.sh.
Whitin, code a daemon, like:
(beware i made it from my zope's insatnces over several machines and zeo
init script, so I haven't tested it (may contains typo).
I have for a while successfully used the ASP404 script (http://www.zope.org/Members/hiperlogica/ASP404) front ending part of a zope server using IIS on Win2000.
Recently I changed the front end server to Win2003. I have been attempting to use the same technique there. All seems to work except
Can someone please clarify for me..
At what exact stage during accepting and responding to an HTTP request
does ZOPE write to it's access.log?
When the request is initially received and before it is processed?
When ZOPE has finished creating the response and serves the completed
page out?
--On 24. November 2005 16:06:19 + Eddie Butcher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When the request is initially received and before it is processed?
How should that work when the logfile contains the size of the data sent
back to the client?
When ZOPE has finished creating the response and
On 11/24/05, Peter Bengtsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-1 on making DateTime deprecated. I'm sure thousands of zope people
use DateTime in thousands of places. Technically it might be correct
deprecate it but politically it's just going to put people off from
upgrading.
It depends on what you
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 05:15:27PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 24. November 2005 16:06:19 + Eddie Butcher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When the request is initially received and before it is processed?
How should that work when the logfile contains the size of the data sent
back to
--On 24. November 2005 11:55:25 -0500 Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In case it's not: access log is written to when the response
is sent back.
Which is basically close to the end of the request but never before
processing :-)
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On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:37:36PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 24. November 2005 11:55:25 -0500 Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In case it's not: access log is written to when the response
is sent back.
Which is basically close to the end of the request but never before
Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2005, 12:54 -0500 schrieb Paul Winkler:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:37:36PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 24. November 2005 11:55:25 -0500 Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In case it's not: access log is written to when the response
is sent back.
Which
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 07:02:51PM +0100, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2005, 12:54 -0500 schrieb Paul Winkler:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2005 at 06:37:36PM +0100, Andreas Jung wrote:
--On 24. November 2005 11:55:25 -0500 Paul Winkler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In case it's not:
Thanks all, I figured it out:## GET last entry in db and obtain ID## Find_Last_ID is my ZSQL method## the [0][0] part is record_number/record_item repectively## I only have one record in this method's return so I use [0] [0]
get_last_id = container.Find_Last_ID().tuples()[0][0]On 11/24/05, Mike
Thanks for all the replies! I got quite a good picture of the situation.
Final solution was to symlink zopectl into init.d and run update-rc.d.
In the meanwhile, I've also come across two relevant links which might be
useful for someone else:
similar problem:
Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2005, 11:49 -0800 schrieb Michael Dexter:
Hello,
I apologize if this is a FAQ, I could not find the answer.
I would like to put a 120MB file into ZODB and it is constantly failing.
TTW insert file fails but works on smaller fails.
WebDAV fails but works on
Dieter Maurer wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote at 2005-11-23 06:51 -0800:
...
I regret that I have not yet learned how to add logging to
ZPsycopgDA, and will appreciate learning how to do so.
It looks like this (ZPsycopgDA/db.py):
from zLOG import LOG, ERROR, INFO, PROBLEM
...
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