On Jun 20, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
Why? traverseName is part of zope.app.publication's
implementation. Now it's oddly split off in a very separate
package. This makes customizing publication behavior more difficult.
I recently made proxying overridable and missed
On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Christian Theune wrote:
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 13:04 -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
Why? traverseName is part of zope.app.publication's implementation.
Now it's oddly split off in a very separate package.
The publisher traversal code is very
Gaaa. As I did deeper, it's even more muddled that I feared. I'll
start a separate thread.
Jim
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Jim Fulton wrote:
Why
.
Thoughts?
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separately. Like
checker = checker_a + checker_b.
Comments?
+1
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On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tres Seaver wrote:
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Jim Fulton wrote:
It looking for the ZODBMountPoint object that Tarek refered to, I saw
that there is still a Mount module in the ZODB package. AFAIK, this
a fossil that never should have been
, which we've been using in production for more
than 2 years doesn't use spread and is much easier to configure and
more flexible than earlier versions.
See http://www.zope.com/products/zope_replication_services.html for
more information.
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getPositionalArguments returns self._args.
XMLRPCRequest's processInputs method sets self._args to the arguments
parsed from an xmlrpc request.
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. If no one
objects, I'll file an issue. (I don't think there's anything urgent
about this.)
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On May 13, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Andreas Jung wrote:
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I start being scared of using pypi.
I wonder why.
You should be *very
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- We now know not to remove releases.
Not everybody does: I've seen folks *recently* re-upload a changed
release without bumping the version number; and we is a much
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(zope.exceptions.UserError). This is an
exception to raise when you want to display an end-user error message.
Most exceptions are really application errors and should be handled by
a view for Exception that displays a system error message.
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svn: warning: Error handling externals definition for 'utilities/
ZODBTools':
svn: warning: Network connection closed unexpectedly
Please try again. There's an unsolved issue with svnserve processes
sticking around, I just killed them all.
Thanks Jens.
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and due to actual output lines
having carriage returns at the ends. (I assume this is a side-effect
of a recent change to using subprocess.) It should be easy to address
this by adding a renormalizer. I'll get to this at some point, if
someone doesn't beat me to it.
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On Apr 24, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Sebastien Douche wrote:
Do you want a buildbot for zc.buildout? (py2.4, py2.5, py2.6 on linux
3264, sorry)
+1
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On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
On 4/22/09 4:57 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
Perhaps you could provide (or point to) an example that illustrates
this problem.
I want to keep my python install clean, so I do not have setuptools
installed system-wide. Instead I have
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On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Simon Michael wrote:
-1, Gary's is clearer.
I think what is clear or not is very subjective. I think that at least
is clear.
I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions.
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On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 18:00, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions.
What opinions have been disregarded, more exactly?
Gary's, Mine, Tres', Simon's, Benji's and others I
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What definition of app server are we using?
What the heck is the Zope Toolkit? Is there a page somewhere that
defines what it is? I thought Zope 3 was being renamed Zope
Toolkit, but given recent discussions, I'm not sure.
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On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hey,
Jim Fulton wrote:
What the heck is the Zope Toolkit? Is there a page somewhere that
defines what it is?
http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/about/index.html
I thought Zope 3 was being renamed Zope
Toolkit, but given recent
-
grained control is needed.)
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(other than the request) but that still want to use the protection
system to protect content can can be much more liberal about what is
treated as a rock by declaring rock classes themselves. The mechanisms
support this now, although there may not be an API.
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to use something else altogether. It all depends on
their use cases. If they want a seatbelt rather than a space suit, I
suppose a python-based proxy could be good enough, although it would
likely be too slow for that environment.
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On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Stephan Richter wrote:
On Friday 10 April 2009, Jim Fulton wrote:
Unfortunately these are ZC's use cases.
They are not just ZC's use cases.
Keas is relying on that safety heavily too. Anyone who wants to
build
agree at all with your definition of app server.
...
Z2 is at least *interesting* to work with at this point; making the
Z3
appserver WSGI'fied will be hard and pointless by comparison.
Zope 3 has been wsgi-based for years now.
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, the parts everyone uses, is covered by Zope Framework.
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On Apr 8, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
[snip]
How to get out of that bind? We could consider renaming Zope 3. Is
there any potential for this?
I think we should call the Zope 3 application ZDecoy. The rest
(the author) will
listen and
is happy to discuss the issues.
zdaemon is boring, meaning it works fine the way it is, at least for
the use cases it was designed to address. I see no need to make it
exciting. :)
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use Trove
classifiers for project status.
If not, I'll change it on trunk...
Please just remove that trove classifier.
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with
svnsync every 5 minutes
Should we all just use that?
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unrelated changes.
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storing a key in plane text in my home directory, which is terrible.
I far prefer using ssh-based infrastructure for this sort of thing.
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don't think we need AB. Maybe just Zope and Zope Framework.
I like the idea of using a number larger than 3. (I've suggested 5 in
the past.)
Overall +1.
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On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on
extensively.
- Zope A 4.0
What was to be Zope 2.12
- Zope B 4.0
Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff
was to
be. (Need to keep
of the functions or interfaces are
long,
and goes against the convention of having the what is this
information
at the top of the entity.
I can probably help implement this. Any thoughts?
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On Mar 30, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:29:16PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Mar 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Winkler wrote:
Ian's Pip tool tries to download everything and work out the
complete
graph before doing any installation; I've no idea if any
are met. It is simpler than easy_install: it
will not look for or download packages itself. Python does not have a
such a low level tool
Yes it does, the setup install command.
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On Mar 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Winkler wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:47:14AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
I think an implementation of a better dependency resolution
strategy in
buildout would be a good place to start. I think some limited
backtracking could go a long way. Anyone
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I think an implementation of a better dependency resolution
strategy in
buildout would be a good place to start. I think some limited
On Mar 29, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-3-29 12:02 -0400:
...
2. Backtracking is more practical in buildout than with easy_install.
easy_install (not sure about pip) does conflict detection/resolution
at run time, whereas buildout does it at build time
3.5.1.
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On Mar 27, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Chris Withers wrote:
(yeah, I know buildout uses easy_install, but...)
Not in a significant way. (It uses easy_install to build eggs from
source distributions, and nothing else. It really should use bdist_egg
instead.)
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On Mar 24, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Chris Withers wrote:
Hey All,
Who's around at PyCon? If so, when/where are we meeting up?
I'm arriving tomorrow morning and departing Tuesday afternoon. I'm
staying with family.
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pkgutil
__path__ = pkgutil.extend_path(__path__, __name__)
Just this line would be enough to declare a namespace:
__import__('pkg_resources').declare_namespace(__name__)
Am I missing something ?
Nope.
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On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:18 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
- It's not well enough documented. While I think there's merit in
doing some things at the WSGI level, I remain pretty happy with the
publication interface for separatating generic publisher functions
from
On Mar 2, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Thomas Lotze wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
Speaking for myself, I'd be happy to change my code to comform to a
python-standard request API assuming that it had enough in it to
adapt it
to existing APIs.
Without having used it myself yet, and without making any
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
I disagree strongly with many of the assertions made in these
articles. (I can't judge the pipeline proposal, since it is only
fleshed out in code.) While I do think zope.publisher has some
problems, they aren't
be an excellent project for PyCon.
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place for configuration extensions, even if it has only one
directive now).
Jim, if you're fine with that, can you please give me rights for
zc.configuration on PYPI, my user name is nadako.
Done, although, if you were me, you'd just leave it. :)
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a very reasonable
dependency. It's like wxwindows UI code depending on wxwindows.
Maybe the browser code should be factored out of the packages that
depend on zoep.publisher so that only *that* code has the dependency
and non-browser code doesn't.
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is that heavyweight needs
to be refactored.
There's nothing all that heavyweight about TestRequest.
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On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
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On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
...
As for TestRequest, I could update the setup.py of various packages
that
currently depend on zope.publisher just
On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:08 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
I've been working on the dependencies to and from zope.publisher.
Refining the dependencies should make it easier to integrate
zope.pipeline when it's ready.
Can you
be useful to try to clean that up. A while ago, I proposed a stripped
down zope.publisher (zope.pub or something) that had a lot less in it,
http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2008-March/031170.html
. I never found time to do this though.
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On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:08 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
I've been working on the dependencies to and from zope.publisher.
Refining the dependencies should make it easier to integrate
zope.pipeline when it's ready.
Can you
in the zope.publisher package. That
isn't to say there might not be better models. Hopefully, I'll find
time to study your pipeline ideas. I wish there was a proposal I could
read rather than reading code.
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On Feb 24, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
P.S. See http://hannosch.eu/dependencies/zope/zope.publisher.svg for
the
dependency graph ;)
That's cool, although wildly inaccurate.
What's wildly inaccurate
levels in some cases.)
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On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote:
Fred Drake wrote:
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
BTW, I strongly discourage from imports. (I didn't always have this
opinion, but have seen the error of my ways. Thanks to Fred Drake
for
nudging me
and then not having to type zope., as you suggest above. I've come
to dislike this because:
- It doesn't buy that much, and
- It's an odd case that has to be recognized.
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On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
BTW, I strongly discourage from imports. (I didn't always have this
opinion, but have seen the error of my ways. Thanks to Fred Drake for
nudging me in this direction.) IMO, this is wildly more important
than
any
On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote:
...
-1 for repeating
english.adjective.fully english.adverb.qualified
english.noun.package
english.noun.names all over the place in the code
If you have package
to be a more
complete object.
You will still likely have other problems unless you use deferred
imports which will generally solve this problem in a robust way.
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the code I'm
reading may have been written.
The grouping in PEP 8 is based on packaging decisions that are
irrelevant to the meaning of the software.
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On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
So, I propose to have an Open Space session at PyCon, Chicago, March
27-29 .
Count me in. (I'll also be sprinting the first 2 sprint days.)
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On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-8 13:00 -0500:
...
IMO, introducing an extra is like introducing a new package and in a
rather complicated way.
I agree with the first part of your sentence -- but cannot follow you
with the second part:
How
structure.
+1
...
For that reason, a) is not really an option for me.
As I said above, I'm for a) because I think it is less disruptive,
even though I share your distaste for extras.
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On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Chris Withers wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
zope.configuration isn't a namespace package. It is simply a
package with subpackages.
Does setuptools support something like:
packagea:
packagea/__init__.py
packagea/amodule.py
packagea.something:
packagea
trigger a rebuild. I'm now
thinking of fixing the place where buildout detects that the path has
been changed as to normalize the path.
Thoughts?
I think it would be easiest to have buildout normalize the config path
using os.path.normcase where it is input.
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is doenload.zope.org maintained? Shell access?
Yes
And
who does it?
Mostly Stephan at this point.
It should be moved to the foundation servers at some point.
+1
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On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Brian Sutherland wrote:
Please don't, having namespace packages that contain files (as
zope.configuration already does) breaks setuptools.
zope.configuration isn't a namespace package. It is simply a package
with subpackages.
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?
No!!!
zope.configuration just contains the implmentation of zcml itself. It
shouldn't have any application-dependent code.
I have no problem with moving zcml out of other packages, but it has
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package might be in order.
Yes please. (I should have read this before sending the other message
I just sent. :)
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like to see a couple more TAR ball releases. I have a script to
update the
Zope3/ tree, so it is fairly easy for me to fulfill that request.
What do people want from a tar release. Wouldn't their needs be
adequately met by a source release made with zc.sourcerelease?
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, with the 'download-cache' directory
already populated (maybe).
Yup (sort a). See zc.sourcerelease.
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It appears that no one has committed to the CVS repository in almost 2
years. I propose to change it to read-only.
Any objections?
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it.
Any objections?
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On Nov 11, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
I'm going to restore svn from a backup and see where that leaves
us. I'm going to disable svn access while I work on this.
The repository is back now. Much thanks to Christian Theune for
providing a replication image.
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I'm going to restore svn from a backup and see where that leaves us.
I'm going to disable svn access while I work on this.
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make
an egg for it and include the egg in the ZEO server.
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a reference to the key in an internal
BTree node.
(I don't know this to be true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was
true.)
If this is the case, we can definitely fix it.
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On Nov 6, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Tim Peters wrote:
[Jim Fulton]
In particular, it might have a reference to the key in an internal
BTree node.
(I don't know this to be true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was
true.)
It was true when I was working on BTrees ... here, from
http
On Nov 6, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Adam GROSZER wrote:
Hello Jim,
Does this fit?
https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/+bug/294788
Yup. Thanks!
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are implicitly binary. (Note the B in Blob.)
I'll add support for b and t to the blob code if no one objects.
I object.
BTW, this questions should have been asked o zodb-dev.
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, they are just focussed on protecting the system
from untrusted scripts. Our problem is harder because we also want to
protect objects available to the scripts.
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