Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/ Moved the publicationtraverse module from zope.app.publication and added tests.

2009-06-21 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jun 20, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: Why? traverseName is part of zope.app.publication's implementation. Now it's oddly split off in a very separate package. This makes customizing publication behavior more difficult. I recently made proxying overridable and missed

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/ Moved the publicationtraverse module from zope.app.publication and added tests.

2009-06-21 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Christian Theune wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 13:04 -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Why? traverseName is part of zope.app.publication's implementation. Now it's oddly split off in a very separate package. The publisher traversal code is very

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/ Moved the publicationtraverse module from zope.app.publication and added tests.

2009-06-21 Thread Jim Fulton
Gaaa. As I did deeper, it's even more muddled that I feared. I'll start a separate thread. Jim On Jun 21, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Jun 21, 2009, at 5:36 AM, Christian Theune wrote: On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 13:04 -0600, Shane Hathaway wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Why

[Zope-dev] RFC: ZTK custom publications, zope.app.publication, and zope.traversing

2009-06-21 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.traversing/trunk/src/zope/traversing/ Moved the publicationtraverse module from zope.app.publication and added tests.

2009-06-20 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing: Define __add__ for RENormalizing

2009-06-18 Thread Jim Fulton
separately. Like checker = checker_a + checker_b. Comments? +1 Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http

Re: [Zope-dev] [ZODB-Dev] Removing the unused and untested ZODB.Mount module

2009-06-11 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:19 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: It looking for the ZODBMountPoint object that Tarek refered to, I saw that there is still a Mount module in the ZODB package. AFAIK, this a fossil that never should have been

Re: [Zope-dev] HA storage for zope

2009-06-11 Thread Jim Fulton
, which we've been using in production for more than 2 years doesn't use spread and is much easier to configure and more flexible than earlier versions. See http://www.zope.com/products/zope_replication_services.html for more information. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope2 / Zope3 catalog index fork / divergence

2009-06-10 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] Who uses request.getPositionalArguments()?

2009-06-09 Thread Jim Fulton
. getPositionalArguments returns self._args. XMLRPCRequest's processInputs method sets self._args to the arguments parsed from an xmlrpc request. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org

[Zope-dev] Odd header-handling behavior of zope.publisher.http.HTTPRequest

2009-06-06 Thread Jim Fulton
. If no one objects, I'll file an issue. (I don't think there's anything urgent about this.) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Site - Locus

2009-05-28 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] [Interface-dev] zope.interface 3.5.1 bdist_rpm problem

2009-05-26 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK futures: one big package?

2009-05-13 Thread Jim Fulton
be afraid? Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK futures: one big package?

2009-05-13 Thread Jim Fulton
On May 13, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: On 13.05.09 18:38, Jim Fulton wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Gerken wrote: I start being scared of using pypi. I wonder why. You should be *very

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK futures: one big package?

2009-05-13 Thread Jim Fulton
On May 13, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: On 13.05.09 18:44, Jim Fulton wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: On 13.05.09 18:38, Jim Fulton wrote: On May 13, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Gerken

Re: [Zope-dev] ZTK futures: one big package?

2009-05-13 Thread Jim Fulton
On May 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: - We now know not to remove releases. Not everybody does: I've seen folks *recently* re-upload a changed release without bumping the version number; and we is a much

Re: [Zope-dev] [buildbot] zc.buildout (small) failures

2009-05-12 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] Using views for exceptions in Zope 2.12?

2009-05-10 Thread Jim Fulton
(zope.exceptions.UserError). This is an exception to raise when you want to display an end-user error message. Most exceptions are really application errors and should be handled by a view for Exception that displays a system error message. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] svn.zope.org b0rked?

2009-05-02 Thread Jim Fulton
svn: warning: Error handling externals definition for 'utilities/ ZODBTools': svn: warning: Network connection closed unexpectedly Please try again. There's an unsolved issue with svnserve processes sticking around, I just killed them all. Thanks Jens. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.buildout broken

2009-04-24 Thread Jim Fulton
and due to actual output lines having carriage returns at the ends. (I assume this is a side-effect of a recent change to using subprocess.) It should be easy to address this by adding a renormalizer. I'll get to this at some point, if someone doesn't beat me to it. Jim -- Jim Fulton

Re: [Zope-dev] zc.buildout broken

2009-04-24 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 24, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Sebastien Douche wrote: Do you want a buildbot for zc.buildout? (py2.4, py2.5, py2.6 on linux 3264, sorry) +1 Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] Release management proposal

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 4/22/09 4:57 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: Perhaps you could provide (or point to) an example that illustrates this problem. I want to keep my python install clean, so I do not have setuptools installed system-wide. Instead I have

Re: [Zope-dev] Release management proposal

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.

2009-04-17 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 17, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Simon Michael wrote: -1, Gary's is clearer. I think what is clear or not is very subjective. I think that at least is clear. I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.

2009-04-17 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 18:00, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. What opinions have been disregarded, more exactly? Gary's, Mine, Tres', Simon's, Benji's and others I

Re: [Zope-dev] Defining Zope 3.

2009-04-16 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] who wants to maintain Zope 3?

2009-04-14 Thread Jim Fulton
. What definition of app server are we using? What the heck is the Zope Toolkit? Is there a page somewhere that defines what it is? I thought Zope 3 was being renamed Zope Toolkit, but given recent discussions, I'm not sure. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] who wants to maintain Zope 3?

2009-04-14 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 14, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hey, Jim Fulton wrote: What the heck is the Zope Toolkit? Is there a page somewhere that defines what it is? http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/about/index.html I thought Zope 3 was being renamed Zope Toolkit, but given recent

Re: [Zope-dev] uuid.UUID as a rock in zope.security

2009-04-10 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] uuid.UUID as a rock in zope.security

2009-04-10 Thread Jim Fulton
code (other than the request) but that still want to use the protection system to protect content can can be much more liberal about what is treated as a rock by declaring rock classes themselves. The mechanisms support this now, although there may not be an API. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] uuid.UUID as a rock in zope.security

2009-04-10 Thread Jim Fulton
to use something else altogether. It all depends on their use cases. If they want a seatbelt rather than a space suit, I suppose a python-based proxy could be good enough, although it would likely be too slow for that environment. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] uuid.UUID as a rock in zope.security

2009-04-10 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 10, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 10 April 2009, Jim Fulton wrote: Unfortunately these are ZC's use cases. They are not just ZC's use cases. Keas is relying on that safety heavily too. Anyone who wants to build

Re: [Zope-dev] Plone vs. Zope2 was: Re: naming Zope

2009-04-09 Thread Jim Fulton
agree at all with your definition of app server. ... Z2 is at least *interesting* to work with at this point; making the Z3 appserver WSGI'fied will be hard and pointless by comparison. Zope 3 has been wsgi-based for years now. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-08 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-08 Thread Jim Fulton
, the parts everyone uses, is covered by Zope Framework. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http

Re: [Zope-dev] naming Zope

2009-04-08 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 8, 2009, at 1:12 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] How to get out of that bind? We could consider renaming Zope 3. Is there any potential for this? I think we should call the Zope 3 application ZDecoy. The rest

Re: [Zope-dev] pytzhon-daemon (was Re: zdaemon is alpha?)

2009-04-07 Thread Jim Fulton
(the author) will listen and is happy to discuss the issues. zdaemon is boring, meaning it works fine the way it is, at least for the use cases it was designed to address. I see no need to make it exciting. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] zdaemon is alpha?

2009-04-06 Thread Jim Fulton
use Trove classifiers for project status. If not, I'll change it on trunk... Please just remove that trove classifier. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-03 Thread Jim Fulton
with svnsync every 5 minutes Should we all just use that? Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http

Re: [Zope-dev] [Checkins] SVN: zope.annotation/trunk/setup.py Whitespace fixes

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
making unrelated changes. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
subversion. This involves storing a key in plane text in my home directory, which is terrible. I far prefer using ssh-based infrastructure for this sort of thing. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Source Code Repository

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
don't think we need AB. Maybe just Zope and Zope Framework. I like the idea of using a number larger than 3. (I've suggested 5 in the past.) Overall +1. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http

Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 4.0, maybe not such a bad idea...

2009-04-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Apr 2, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: What Martijn has announced and is already being worked on extensively. - Zope A 4.0 What was to be Zope 2.12 - Zope B 4.0 Whatever the next pending release of the Zope 3 appserver stuff was to be. (Need to keep

Re: [Zope-dev] Two small convenience suggestions for zope.interface and zope.component

2009-04-01 Thread Jim Fulton
of the functions or interfaces are long, and goes against the convention of having the what is this information at the top of the entity. I can probably help implement this. Any thoughts? +1 -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-31 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 30, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Paul Winkler wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:29:16PM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: On Mar 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Winkler wrote: Ian's Pip tool tries to download everything and work out the complete graph before doing any installation; I've no idea if any

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-30 Thread Jim Fulton
are met. It is simpler than easy_install: it will not look for or download packages itself. Python does not have a such a low level tool Yes it does, the setup install command. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-30 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 30, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Paul Winkler wrote: On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:47:14AM -0400, Jim Fulton wrote: I think an implementation of a better dependency resolution strategy in buildout would be a good place to start. I think some limited backtracking could go a long way. Anyone

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-29 Thread Jim Fulton
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Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-29 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 29, 2009, at 11:51 AM, Andreas Jung wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 29.03.2009 10:47 Uhr, Jim Fulton wrote: I think an implementation of a better dependency resolution strategy in buildout would be a good place to start. I think some limited

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-29 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 29, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-3-29 12:02 -0400: ... 2. Backtracking is more practical in buildout than with easy_install. easy_install (not sure about pip) does conflict detection/resolution at run time, whereas buildout does it at build time

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-27 Thread Jim Fulton
3.5.1. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http

Re: [Zope-dev] trying out the buildout-based Zope 2.12...

2009-03-27 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 27, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Chris Withers wrote: (yeah, I know buildout uses easy_install, but...) Not in a significant way. (It uses easy_install to build eggs from source distributions, and nothing else. It really should use bdist_egg instead.) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] PyCon?

2009-03-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 24, 2009, at 6:12 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Hey All, Who's around at PyCon? If so, when/where are we meeting up? I'm arriving tomorrow morning and departing Tuesday afternoon. I'm staying with family. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] Namespace declaration using pkgutil vs pkg_resources

2009-03-11 Thread Jim Fulton
pkgutil __path__ = pkgutil.extend_path(__path__, __name__) Just this line would be enough to declare a namespace: __import__('pkg_resources').declare_namespace(__name__) Am I missing something ? Nope. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-03-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:18 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: - It's not well enough documented. While I think there's merit in doing some things at the WSGI level, I remain pretty happy with the publication interface for separatating generic publisher functions from

Re: [Zope-dev] Standard request/response API

2009-03-02 Thread Jim Fulton
On Mar 2, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Thomas Lotze wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: Speaking for myself, I'd be happy to change my code to comform to a python-standard request API assuming that it had enough in it to adapt it to existing APIs. Without having used it myself yet, and without making any

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-03-01 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: I disagree strongly with many of the assertions made in these articles. (I can't judge the pipeline proposal, since it is only fleshed out in code.) While I do think zope.publisher has some problems, they aren't

[Zope-dev] Standard request/response API

2009-03-01 Thread Jim Fulton
be an excellent project for PyCon. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: merge zc.configuration's exclude directive into zope.configuration.

2009-02-26 Thread Jim Fulton
place for configuration extensions, even if it has only one directive now). Jim, if you're fine with that, can you please give me rights for zc.configuration on PYPI, my user name is nadako. Done, although, if you were me, you'd just leave it. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
a very reasonable dependency. It's like wxwindows UI code depending on wxwindows. Maybe the browser code should be factored out of the packages that depend on zoep.publisher so that only *that* code has the dependency and non-browser code doesn't. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
is that heavyweight needs to be refactored. There's nothing all that heavyweight about TestRequest. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Fulton wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:26 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: ... As for TestRequest, I could update the setup.py of various packages that currently depend on zope.publisher just

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:08 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: I've been working on the dependencies to and from zope.publisher. Refining the dependencies should make it easier to integrate zope.pipeline when it's ready. Can you

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
be useful to try to clean that up. A while ago, I proposed a stripped down zope.publisher (zope.pub or something) that had a lot less in it, http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2008-March/031170.html . I never found time to do this though. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:44 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:08 AM, Shane Hathaway wrote: I've been working on the dependencies to and from zope.publisher. Refining the dependencies should make it easier to integrate zope.pipeline when it's ready. Can you

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
in the zope.publisher package. That isn't to say there might not be better models. Hopefully, I'll find time to study your pipeline ideas. I wish there was a proposal I could read rather than reading code. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN: zope.app.openidconsumer/ New library for OpenID auth in Zope 3

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
package is determined by the project/organization. Normally, there should be only 2 levels of packages. (I screwed up with the zc.recipes package, for example.) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.publisher dependencies

2009-02-24 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 24, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: P.S. See http://hannosch.eu/dependencies/zope/zope.publisher.svg for the dependency graph ;) That's cool, although wildly inaccurate. What's wildly inaccurate

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-20 Thread Jim Fulton
levels in some cases.) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-20 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: Fred Drake wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: BTW, I strongly discourage from imports. (I didn't always have this opinion, but have seen the error of my ways. Thanks to Fred Drake for nudging me

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-20 Thread Jim Fulton
and then not having to type zope., as you suggest above. I've come to dislike this because: - It doesn't buy that much, and - It's an odd case that has to be recognized. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-20 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: BTW, I strongly discourage from imports. (I didn't always have this opinion, but have seen the error of my ways. Thanks to Fred Drake for nudging me in this direction.) IMO, this is wildly more important than any

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-20 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: ... -1 for repeating english.adjective.fully english.adverb.qualified english.noun.package english.noun.names all over the place in the code If you have package

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-20 Thread Jim Fulton
to be a more complete object. You will still likely have other problems unless you use deferred imports which will generally solve this problem in a robust way. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-19 Thread Jim Fulton
. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http

Re: [Zope-dev] Coding style clarifications

2009-02-19 Thread Jim Fulton
the code I'm reading may have been written. The grouping in PEP 8 is based on packaging decisions that are irrelevant to the meaning of the software. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] opensp...@pycon 2009 about Zope/Repoze/Grok/Deliverence etc.

2009-02-10 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:03 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: So, I propose to have an Open Space session at PyCon, Chicago, March 27-29 . Count me in. (I'll also be sprinting the first 2 sprint days.) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-10 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:49 PM, Dieter Maurer wrote: Jim Fulton wrote at 2009-2-8 13:00 -0500: ... IMO, introducing an extra is like introducing a new package and in a rather complicated way. I agree with the first part of your sentence -- but cannot follow you with the second part: How

Re: [Zope-dev] ZCML implementations: where should they go

2009-02-08 Thread Jim Fulton
structure. +1 ... For that reason, a) is not really an option for me. As I said above, I'm for a) because I think it is less disruptive, even though I share your distaste for extras. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist

Re: [Zope-dev] multiple packages in the same namespace

2009-02-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 6, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Chris Withers wrote: Jim Fulton wrote: zope.configuration isn't a namespace package. It is simply a package with subpackages. Does setuptools support something like: packagea: packagea/__init__.py packagea/amodule.py packagea.something: packagea

Re: [Zope-dev] Differing case for Buildout on Windows

2009-02-05 Thread Jim Fulton
trigger a rebuild. I'm now thinking of fixing the place where buildout detects that the path has been changed as to normalize the path. Thoughts? I think it would be easiest to have buildout normalize the config path using os.path.normcase where it is input. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] ** PROBLEM alert - Zope Project Services (SVN/Downloads/Mailman/...)/KGS age is WARNING **

2009-02-01 Thread Jim Fulton
is doenload.zope.org maintained? Shell access? Yes And who does it? Mostly Stephan at this point. It should be moved to the foundation servers at some point. +1 Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.security changes

2009-01-31 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jan 30, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Brian Sutherland wrote: Please don't, having namespace packages that contain files (as zope.configuration already does) breaks setuptools. zope.configuration isn't a namespace package. It is simply a package with subpackages. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.security changes

2009-01-30 Thread Jim Fulton
? No!!! zope.configuration just contains the implmentation of zcml itself. It shouldn't have any application-dependent code. I have no problem with moving zcml out of other packages, but it has to move into new packages, not into zope.configuration. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.security changes

2009-01-30 Thread Jim Fulton
package might be in order. Yes please. (I should have read this before sending the other message I just sent. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev

Re: [Zope-dev] can these wrong DEPENDENCIES.cfg files be removed?

2009-01-27 Thread Jim Fulton
like to see a couple more TAR ball releases. I have a script to update the Zope3/ tree, so it is fairly easy for me to fulfill that request. What do people want from a tar release. Wouldn't their needs be adequately met by a source release made with zc.sourcerelease? Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Plans for Zope 2.12

2009-01-23 Thread Jim Fulton
, with the 'download-cache' directory already populated (maybe). Yup (sort a). See zc.sourcerelease. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML

Re: [Zope-dev] C-extension in zope.i18nmessageid

2008-12-12 Thread Jim Fulton
. Please drop it. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce

[Zope-dev] Change the CVS repository to read-only

2008-11-12 Thread Jim Fulton
It appears that no one has committed to the CVS repository in almost 2 years. I propose to change it to read-only. Any objections? Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman

[Zope-dev] deprecate http://download.zope.org/distribution

2008-11-12 Thread Jim Fulton
it. Any objections? Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope

Re: [Zope-dev] SVN woes.

2008-11-11 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 11, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Jim Fulton wrote: I'm going to restore svn from a backup and see where that leaves us. I'm going to disable svn access while I work on this. The repository is back now. Much thanks to Christian Theune for providing a replication image. Jim -- Jim Fulton

[Zope-dev] SVN woes.

2008-11-11 Thread Jim Fulton
I'm going to restore svn from a backup and see where that leaves us. I'm going to disable svn access while I work on this. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope

[Zope-dev] Removing ZopeUndo from ZODB, starting with ZODB 3.9

2008-11-11 Thread Jim Fulton
make an egg for it and include the egg in the ZEO server. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http

Re: [Zope-dev] misterious btree issue

2008-11-06 Thread Jim Fulton
a reference to the key in an internal BTree node. (I don't know this to be true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.) If this is the case, we can definitely fix it. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] misterious btree issue

2008-11-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 6, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Tim Peters wrote: [Jim Fulton] In particular, it might have a reference to the key in an internal BTree node. (I don't know this to be true, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.) It was true when I was working on BTrees ... here, from http

Re: [Zope-dev] misterious btree issue

2008-11-06 Thread Jim Fulton
On Nov 6, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Adam GROSZER wrote: Hello Jim, Does this fit? https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/+bug/294788 Yup. Thanks! Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman

Re: [Zope-dev] Blobs and modes

2008-10-24 Thread Jim Fulton
are implicitly binary. (Note the B in Blob.) I'll add support for b and t to the blob code if no one objects. I object. BTW, this questions should have been asked o zodb-dev. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http

[Zope-dev] Issues with restricted Python (was Re: Zope 2.12 - supported Python versions)

2008-10-21 Thread Jim Fulton
, they are just focussed on protecting the system from untrusted scripts. Our problem is harder because we also want to protect objects available to the scripts. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http

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