Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 10:37:55PM +0900, Joseph Wayne Norton wrote: p.s. It is my own personal taste but I don't really care for the tkgui interface for running the zope test suite. Any possibilites of making the test suite run in a fashion similar to the python installation test suite? You can just use the standard unittest module to run a text version of the tests. On my machine, unittest.py is executable, and I just type: PYTHONPATH=./lib/python /usr/lib/python2.2/unittest.py Zope.Testing.allZopeTests This is all one line, in bash. In csh, you'll have to set the PYTHONPATH env var by hand beforehand, I believe. -- Martijn Pieters | Software Engineer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com/ | Creators of Zope http://www.zope.org/ - ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
Andy Dawkins wrote: Zope 3X requires Python 2.2b2. Are you sure you mean Python2.2b2? I tried this but seem to get problems with the pyexpat module. Would a different version do, Or have you solved any problems with the pyexpat module in 2.2.b2? Make sure you have expat, including the headers, installed when compiling Python (independently of Python). On Mandrake 8.1 I installed the RPMs libexpat1_95-1.95.2-1mdk, libexpat1_95-devel-1.95.2-1mdk, and expat-1.95.2-1mdk. Shane ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
YAY *There was much rejoicing* Thanks Shane, once again you have solved my problems. -Andy Shane Hathaway wrote: Andy Dawkins wrote: Zope 3X requires Python 2.2b2. Are you sure you mean Python2.2b2? I tried this but seem to get problems with the pyexpat module. Would a different version do, Or have you solved any problems with the pyexpat module in 2.2.b2? Make sure you have expat, including the headers, installed when compiling Python (independently of Python). On Mandrake 8.1 I installed the RPMs libexpat1_95-1.95.2-1mdk, libexpat1_95-devel-1.95.2-1mdk, and expat-1.95.2-1mdk. Shane ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Matt Hamilton wrote: if index1 is in SQL and index2 is in ZODB, for example, how would you go about efficiently combining results? Is there not a set datatype in python that could be used? There is, but what would happen if index1 returned 25,000 results and index2 returned 250 and you were going to AND the results. Pouring the sets into Python data structures all the time doesn't sound too efficient... I favour the idea of having several 'engines', like MySQL has table handlers, and letting the user pick which one they want to use. I'm gonna try all this out at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pythonindexer/ Admittedly, most of the stuff in MG is about textual searches rather than exact searches Yeah, but that's the most difficult thing ;-) (it can do boolean searches too, but the book is mainly about ranking). Please god tell me they cover phrase matching :-S [snip headf*ck] Urm, maybe they'll take it a little slower than that? ;-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Sets
Chris McDonough wrote: There are also set objects like OOSets and IISets that can be used in intersection and union operations as documented in the BTrees module. I never understood the documentation :-( What's the difference between an OOSet and and IISet? (I think i know the answer to that one but thought I'd check...) Do things like IOSets and OISets exist, if so, what are they? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Chris Withers wrote: (it can do boolean searches too, but the book is mainly about ranking). Please god tell me they cover phrase matching :-S No they don't really (if I remember right). I think they do talk about storing the position of the word in the document, so that could help. I need to dig the book out, I looked at it about 18 months ago. [snip headf*ck] Urm, maybe they'll take it a little slower than that? ;-) Yes they do. Condensing ~500 pages into one paragraph is a bit tricky :) -Matt -- Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netsight Internet Solutions, Ltd. Business Vision on the Internet http://www.netsight.co.uk +44 (0)117 9090901 Web Hosting | Web Design | Domain Names | Co-location | DB Integration ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Sets
AFAIK, OOSet is a set of objects and IISet is a set of integers. That's the simplest usage of them. Anything beyond that you'll need to experiment. - Original Message - From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey P Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Sets Chris McDonough wrote: There are also set objects like OOSets and IISets that can be used in intersection and union operations as documented in the BTrees module. I never understood the documentation :-( What's the difference between an OOSet and and IISet? (I think i know the answer to that one but thought I'd check...) Do things like IOSets and OISets exist, if so, what are they? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] CM(S/F), ZODB, M$, Indexing
Joachim Werner wrote: Zope 2.x, together with the CMF, was sold bei DC/ZC as a content management product, No it wasn't, it was sold as a Content Management Framework, ie one of these: It is a good start for building one, Zope is a nearly perfect document storage, except for its server implementations for FTP (and partly also HTTP/Web-DAV) will not be too useful with major system load. Not lots of big documents, especially if they change often ;-) - a database layer that includes alternatives to the ZODB (using products like DBObjects or the new stuff from 7x Well, just a better abstraction of objects - storage. ZODB is currently too slanted towards storing object irrespective of their structure. It needs to get more intelligent in the same way that DBObjects is... what Microsoft is doing. I don't ask you to USE their software, but we should at least try to get inspired by the good ideas they have (or have collected from others who had them first). I agree, we should beat them at their own game :-) What we need in that part of Zope is high-performance real-time cataloging and searching, Gimme a chance :-P cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Funding, SourceForge
Joachim Werner wrote: My experience from EuroZope is that we would desperately need some paid community workers. The Zope community seems to be much more professional than others, which means that there are not enough people with too much free time to run the infrastructure. Most of us contribute a lot, but can't afford doing even more without neglecting the day-to-day business. Indeed. If I could get even partial fundign for just some of the projects I'd like to work on (S(qu|w)ishdot, Indexer, Package Manager, CMF, ZODB) then I'd be able to work on them _much_ more than I do now... We have discussed about that at most of the EuroZope meetings. But still nobody has had enough resources to start. We'd need a Zope-based site that has all the functionality of sourceforge and even more. What's wrong with SourceForge? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] #zope, beer, etc ;-)
Paul Everitt wrote: Chris was just drinking a beer with us at Orbit's twenty minutes ago, and now he's responding to email on a Friday night. That's just sick. No, sick was the conversation that happened on #zope from 2am-4am UK time when what felt like half of ZC showed up (most having been to Orbit's?) along with a big European contingent of insomniacs and drunkards... No guesses what category I was in... *hic* Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] PythonScript
Hi, I have following trivial problem: A DTML-Mthode calls a PythonScript suchThemen with Argumen themen like this dtml-in suchThemen(themen) dtml-var themas /dtml-in The PythonScript should return values and I want to display in the dtml-in-loop the result variable themas. Question: How must I programm the PythonScript that suchThemen returns variables of name themas ? Thanks Dirk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] *bang*
Matt Hamilton wrote: No they don't really (if I remember right). I think they do talk about storing the position of the word in the document, so that could help. I need to dig the book out, I looked at it about 18 months ago. *puts gun to head* Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
On Tuesday, December 4, 2001, at 06:37 AM, Joseph Wayne Norton wrote: [SNIP[ p.s. It is my own personal taste but I don't really care for the tkgui interface for running the zope test suite. Any possibilites of making the test suite run in a fashion similar to the python installation test suite? You can run unittest.py directly. Instead of doing python2.2 utilities/unittestgui.py ..., do python2.2 /usr/local/lib/python2.2/unittest.py ... (based on wherever your python2.2 libraries are). It works just the same. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: fishing for dinosaurs...
Stephan Richter wrote: Well, I want to demonstrate that Zope can do it. I will not have the patience to make a nice interface on top of it (unless I get paid for it), but at least tight Mailman and CVS integration are awesome examples of the capabilities of Zope. Hmm, on the Right vs Happy argument, I ain't got enough time to be right, so I';ll eb happy with SF ;-) Remark to title: This is not really true, since I will only write a few small products; what people do with it is another question. The title was a reference to Bugzilla ;-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Roundup?
Richard Jones wrote: plug http://roundup.sf.net/ ... is in heavy development, but is also being used right now. /plug Well, it's written in Python, so probably a good candidate. Could it be integrated into Zope? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open letters, hijacking and the like
Lennart Regebro wrote: He is wrong. Open your mind, 'dude'... I did _not_ inhale ;-) Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Funding, SourceForge
I am confused? is this a zope-dev or zope-web topic? Is the goal to provide this for new.zope.org to share with the community via XML-RPC and release as a Zope product? Either way we need a component architecture plus identifying all the existing product snippets or objects that could be used. Recruit those authors to support a combined effort. Then let's decide on a road map with priorities and release capabilities as everyone can contribute. We can only address the we need funding concern when we have a project definition to help create a budget (money and time). An uber-collaborative suite would be awesome that combines the best of Squish, wikis, sourceforge, talkback, UBB, (ZPT and CSS support) (CMF if supported in Zope3.) http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2001-November/014225.html http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope-web/2001-December/000759.html A product with pick-and-choose capabilities out of the box is what Zope needs to push Zope higher in the OpenSource world and attract more developers to the community. That is the goal right?? get more developers excited about and adopt Zope so they can contribute to Zope's core or release their own quality products to the community. are my emails too long? i think i get too chatty. :) -Trevor 10x -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Withers Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 11:37 AM To: Joachim Werner Cc: seb bacon; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope-dev] Funding, SourceForge Joachim Werner wrote: My experience from EuroZope is that we would desperately need some paid community workers. The Zope community seems to be much more professional than others, which means that there are not enough people with too much free time to run the infrastructure. Most of us contribute a lot, but can't afford doing even more without neglecting the day-to-day business. Indeed. If I could get even partial fundign for just some of the projects I'd like to work on (S(qu|w)ishdot, Indexer, Package Manager, CMF, ZODB) then I'd be able to work on them _much_ more than I do now... We have discussed about that at most of the EuroZope meetings. But still nobody has had enough resources to start. We'd need a Zope-based site that has all the functionality of sourceforge and even more. What's wrong with SourceForge? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] my comments on i18n
Joachim Werner wrote: Hi! Just a very short comment: As Paul said in the Paris meeting and as Joachim W. has stated in a previous mail, one thing we can work on is in a common way to get translations from message catalogs, from Python code and DTML and ZPT templates. exactly Don't matters where the messages and their translations are stored, either in a ZBabel Tower or in a Message Catalog or somewhere else, they would be get in the same way. yep I would propose to do it in a wiki and step by step: first Python code, when have finished with it we move to DTML, and finally to ZPT. My priorities are the other way around, but that shouldn't be the problem ... I think the Python API is simpler, and the DTML and ZPT interfaces build on it, so it should be done first. But then we could work on the DTML and ZPT interfaces at the same time. The output from this would be an specification for the way to get translations from message catalogs in the ZODB. yep My second concrete proposal is about content negotiation, which includes language negotiation. There's already a proposal for this in the fishbowl: http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Proposals/HTTPContentNegotiation This proposal was made by Andreas Jung and Tino Wildenhain, let's move it forward. IMO this should be the first thing to put in the core. We don't have anything sophisticated there. So we are very open to those things. With the last news about Zope 3 it seems that all core proposals should be revised under its light. So I'll add the task learn Zope 3 in my queue. I only wanted to highlight that this is something important. But this is also something we can work on from the ZBabel/Localizer/etc.. perspective. I mean, now it's a bit difficult to mix different solutions in the same web site because, if each solution has a different way to do the language negotiation, it could produce a nasty result, for example, ZBabel returns something in german and Localizer returns something else in spanish. At least we could agree on the same algorithm to build the list of user prefered languages. Ummhh... We can do some work here. But I prefer to do things in small steps, lets focus on the message catalogs interface first. Concerning the Wiki: Why not go on using the Wiki Stephane Fermigier has set up for us? Ok, I've added a wiki page for this task, though it's still empty, for those who don't know the url is: http://www.eurozope.org/zip -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Zope developer (http://www.zope.org) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
Shane Hathaway wrote: BTW another correction: it turns out we will be implementing some DTML in Zope 3X. acckkk... why? Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
Martijn Faassen wrote: So what am I trying to get at with this mail? One thing is that the process is too heavy-weight right now. The other thing is that the core coders at Zope Corp snip are the only ones that can get around the fishbowl if they so desire. Here! Here! Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
Chris McDonough wrote: I actually think that with Zope3 in progress, it's a great time to completely and formally hand off bits and pieces of Zope2 ownership to folks within ZC and without. Hang on, surely you mean Zope3 there? What's the point of handing off responsibility for what is essentially dead code already? How would doing that help the progress of the latest-and-greatest Zope? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
No I mean Zope2. That's not in exclusion of handing off bits of Zope3, but Zope2 is still the current stable release and as such isn't dead code. Huge parts of Zope3 are in flux at the moment, and though folks are more than encouraged to contribute, it's not for the faint of heart. Zope2 is familiar and fairly well understood. - Original Message - From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process Chris McDonough wrote: I actually think that with Zope3 in progress, it's a great time to completely and formally hand off bits and pieces of Zope2 ownership to folks within ZC and without. Hang on, surely you mean Zope3 there? What's the point of handing off responsibility for what is essentially dead code already? How would doing that help the progress of the latest-and-greatest Zope? cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
The other thing is that the core coders at Zope Corp snip are the only ones that can get around the fishbowl if they so desire. Here! Here! Not really. I couldn't, at least. - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!
Phillip J. Eby wrote: P.S. Speaking of naming, I still dislike feature as a term for interface implementations; various suggestions available on the Feature page of the ComponentArchitecture Wiki. :) I agree. I still much prefer 'adaptor' and I don't buy the 'adaptors sound too much like a light-weight layer' argument. If people agree, I will go through the Zope 3 CVS and change all references from Feature to Adaptor. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
BTW another correction: it turns out we will be implementing some DTML in Zope 3X. acckkk... why? Because it still has legitimate uses (try formatting a MIME-multipart email message with ZPT...). The beauty of Z3, though, is that you should have much more flexibility in what you choose to use. Don't like DTML? Don't use it. Really hate it and feel motivated? Implement an alternative templating framework that works better for particular needs. I think the Z3 architecture will make it much easier to use the right tool for the job. Brian Lloyd[EMAIL PROTECTED] Software Engineer 540.361.1716 Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Can you all recommend any other books on information retrieval? I was looking at Amazon last night, and I found a few that looked interesting, I'm just the type of guy that has to leaf through before I buy the damn thing. I guess I just need to find a good tech book store around here... I think my first real proposal of any significance will be to replace the catalog with a truely industrial strength indexing bohemoth, that can be plugged into this whole component arch. thingamawhammy. BTW: I still wanna chat some time about this, I just need to decide when, perhaps late next week... -Casey --- Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Chris Withers wrote: (it can do boolean searches too, but the book is mainly about ranking). Please god tell me they cover phrase matching :-S No they don't really (if I remember right). I think they do talk about storing the position of the word in the document, so that could help. I need to dig the book out, I looked at it about 18 months ago. [snip headf*ck] Urm, maybe they'll take it a little slower than that? ;-) Yes they do. Condensing ~500 pages into one paragraph is a bit tricky :) -Matt -- Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netsight Internet Solutions, Ltd. Business Vision on the Internet http://www.netsight.co.uk +44 (0)117 9090901 Web Hosting | Web Design | Domain Names | Co-location | DB Integration __ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Chris, hows about adding me to this project, my s'forge username is cduncan. Thanks. -Casey --- Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Hamilton wrote: if index1 is in SQL and index2 is in ZODB, for example, how would you go about efficiently combining results? Is there not a set datatype in python that could be used? There is, but what would happen if index1 returned 25,000 results and index2 returned 250 and you were going to AND the results. Pouring the sets into Python data structures all the time doesn't sound too efficient... I favour the idea of having several 'engines', like MySQL has table handlers, and letting the user pick which one they want to use. I'm gonna try all this out at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pythonindexer/ Admittedly, most of the stuff in MG is about textual searches rather than exact searches Yeah, but that's the most difficult thing ;-) (it can do boolean searches too, but the book is mainly about ranking). Please god tell me they cover phrase matching :-S [snip headf*ck] Urm, maybe they'll take it a little slower than that? ;-) cheers, Chris __ Do You Yahoo!? Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Searching
Hi, I'm looking for a search tool which can do semantic/synonym search. Can this be done via ZCatalog ? Regards Dirk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Casey Duncan wrote: Can you all recommend any other books on information retrieval? I was looking at Amazon last night, and I found a few that looked interesting, I'm just the type of guy that has to leaf through before I buy the damn thing. I guess I just need to find a good tech book store around here... Modern Information Retrieval by Ricardo Baeza-Yates and Berthier Ribeiro-Neto is pretty good too. Covers much more than just indexing (eg. user interfaces, languages, evaluation of effectiveness, distributed IR, Digital Libraries etc). If you are a member of the ACM there is lots of IR stuff in their digital library. Also the New Zealand Digital Library (www.nzdl.org) has some good links on it (the site can be quite slow at times) I think my first real proposal of any significance will be to replace the catalog with a truely industrial strength indexing bohemoth, that can be plugged into this whole component arch. thingamawhammy. BTW: I still wanna chat some time about this, I just need to decide when, perhaps late next week... I've normally got a window open on #zope most of the day (GMT), my nick is HammerToe (long story, that is not as interesting or painful as it sounds, and involves neither a hammer nor a toe). You might need to /msg me or beep me to get my attention :) -Matt -- Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netsight Internet Solutions, Ltd. Business Vision on the Internet http://www.netsight.co.uk +44 (0)117 9090901 Web Hosting | Web Design | Domain Names | Co-location | DB Integration ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
SV: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
The beauty of Z3, though, is that you should have much more flexibility in what you choose to use. Don't like DTML? Don't use it. Really hate Thats really not the problem imho. The problem is that some products will use DTMLFile and standard_html_header/footer, and that is a real mess... /Magnus ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
Chris McDonough wrote: The other thing is that the core coders at Zope Corp snip are the only ones that can get around the fishbowl if they so desire. Here! Here! Not really. I couldn't, at least. You guys can use the fishbowl as what is in effect an announcement service. I'm not saying that isn't useful, but nobody else can announce a project in the fishbowl and have a lot of hope it'll end up in the core right now. But if it's okay I'd be glad to use it that way as well. :) Perhaps that's not exactly getting around the fishbowl. I'm not saying the fishbowl is a bad thing, though. I think it's pretty useful. And I'm slowly learning I should just do stuff anyway, though part of that does include discussion and announcements. The core coders don't have enough time to actively coach me so I should just coach myself. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
There really is a lot more work that goes into the stuff in the fishbowl from the folks at ZC than just an announcement. That said, I agree that a ZC proposal driven by a consulting project will more likely end up in the core than anything else, so I think I understand what you're saying. The problem really isn't that folks at ZC can get around the fishbowl process, it's just that consulting-driven ZC projects currently take priority over just about everything else, and they soak up all available ZC resources. One of the remediations has been to extend CVS commit privileges to folks outside ZC, and we've done that. It's clear we need to do more than that, but it's not clear exactly what needs to be done or how to do it. We know it has something to do with changing the process and spreading responsibility out, but we're still taking baby steps. - Original Message - From: Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process Chris McDonough wrote: The other thing is that the core coders at Zope Corp snip are the only ones that can get around the fishbowl if they so desire. Here! Here! Not really. I couldn't, at least. You guys can use the fishbowl as what is in effect an announcement service. I'm not saying that isn't useful, but nobody else can announce a project in the fishbowl and have a lot of hope it'll end up in the core right now. But if it's okay I'd be glad to use it that way as well. :) Perhaps that's not exactly getting around the fishbowl. I'm not saying the fishbowl is a bad thing, though. I think it's pretty useful. And I'm slowly learning I should just do stuff anyway, though part of that does include discussion and announcements. The core coders don't have enough time to actively coach me so I should just coach myself. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Roundup?
On Wednesday 05 December 2001 04:01, Chris Withers wrote: Richard Jones wrote: plug http://roundup.sf.net/ ... is in heavy development, but is also being used right now. /plug Well, it's written in Python, so probably a good candidate. Could it be integrated into Zope? Roundup has complete flexibility in the front and back ends. It comes with a web, command-line and e-mail interface and it shouldn't be too hard to add a Zope front-end. Modifying the existing web interface to be a Zope front-end would probably be quite simple. It comes with anydbm and bsddb back-ends (and a dormant, not-quite-working bsddb3 back-end), and defining more is pretty simple. Richard ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Casey Duncan wrote: I think my first real proposal of any significance will be to replace the catalog with a truely industrial strength indexing bohemoth, that can be plugged into this whole component arch. thingamawhammy. *cough* --- http://sourceforge.net/projects/pythonindexer Care to help? I'm hoping to get started on it this evening with Docs and the like :-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Casey Duncan wrote: Chris, hows about adding me to this project, my s'forge username is cduncan. done... lemme know if ya need anything else :-) Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Roundup?
Richard Jones wrote: Roundup has complete flexibility in the front and back ends. Sounds cool :-) I'd go and persuade the Iuveno guys now, since they seem to have lots of energy right now... cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 2.3 and MySQL problems
Radu Buzea wrote: I have a problem with a Zope 2.3.0 (source release, Python 1.5.2 [GCC 2.96 2731 (experimental)]) on Linux and MySQL. I'm using ZMySQLDA to connect to a MySQL database. I use a single database table (witch has over 3500 records right now). There are over 1000 records posted every day. The server is an AMD at 250 Mhz with 64 MB RAM. This server was on-line since April 2001 without any problems but for 3 days ago, when I started to use the MySQL database, the server stops sometimes (crash!!!). Anybody can give me some suggestions ore some explanations. What can be wrong? Thanks! Radu Buzea ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi Radu, This seems to be a common problem ... I don't know if its Zope or the MySQL adapter that's crashing. However, a large percentage of the people who are reporting these mysterious crashes are using Zope and MySQL together. I am personally suspicious that they may be using a precompiled MySQL adapter that doesn't match the python they are using -- because of differences in the base object or type fields. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
Shane Hathaway wrote: Q: Will Zope 3X be compatible with Zope 2 products? A: No. What's up with the ZopeLegacy stuff in the co I'm getting now? Yes I am grabbing the branch... To check out Zope 3X from CVS: cvs -d :pserver:cvs.zope.org:/cvs-repository co -r Zope-3x-branch Zope3 :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs-repository And don't forget cvs login. Again, this is all quite exciting and I hope you can join the action. I hope to. Who's in charge of packaging and installation? I see an opportunity to do it right this time, I hope I'm not too late to the party. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Open Letters and Zope 3
Matt Behrens wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Again, this is all quite exciting and I hope you can join the action. I hope to. Who's in charge of packaging and installation? I see an opportunity to do it right this time, I hope I'm not too late to the party. I think this is an excellent area to bring in community members and let them have some ownership. There are a number of interesting initiatives out there -- in no particular order, Andy McKay, Andrew Milton, Adrian Hungate, Kapil Thangavelu, and Amos Latteier. We're interested in bringing more people into the core and giving them room to make decisions and have influence. It's an important lesson from the discussions over the last few days -- we don't scale that well and we need more leadership in the core. Thus, I'm looking for a couple of people willing to shepherd areas such as packaging and make a serious commitment for a fair duration. --Paul ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!
On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 11:38, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: If people agree, I will go through the Zope 3 CVS and change all references from Feature to Adaptor. :) +1 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!
- Original Message - From: Bill Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 18:30 Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff! On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 11:38, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: If people agree, I will go through the Zope 3 CVS and change all references from Feature to Adaptor. :) Please try to avoid crossposts over zope-dev and zope3-dev. Andreas ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] My thoughts on the development process
Chris McDonough wrote: There really is a lot more work that goes into the stuff in the fishbowl from the folks at ZC than just an announcement Exactly. But in the end, if nobody responds except internally at ZC, and you implement it, the fishbowl stuff is kind of an announcement, right? And others outside of ZC can't do that. I'm not saying that you want this to be the case, but it's what happens in effect. That said, I agree that a ZC proposal driven by a consulting project will more likely end up in the core than anything else, so I think I understand what you're saying. The problem really isn't that folks at ZC can get around the fishbowl process, it's just that consulting-driven ZC projects currently take priority over just about everything else, and they soak up all available ZC resources. And *some* ZC resources, even though just an 'okay go ahead' on a mailing list, are needed at least to get contributors going. I had to ask about releasing ParsedXML several times until I got some kind of 'aye' out of anyone. And it still wasn't clear. I shouldn't have to be that persistent. Of course my ParsedXML contributions are in a large part due to it being necessary for a consulting project -- one of my own. :) One of the remediations has been to extend CVS commit privileges to folks outside ZC, and we've done that. It's clear we need to do more than that, but it's not clear exactly what needs to be done or how to do it. We know it has something to do with changing the process and spreading responsibility out, but we're still taking baby steps. Okay, I'm just playing devil's advocate here pushing the poor baby into the direction I think it should be going. :) Perhaps the contributors should start doing the +1 -1 thing over fishbowl projects, sort of like what Chris Withers initiated over at the Zope3-dev list. Still needs someone at ZC to play benevolent dictator though, though an Apache-style core group with veto style might work as well eventually. Anyway, I'm not really complaining about ZC; I have a lot of admiration for what you're doing and the steps you've already taken are not mere baby steps at all from my perspective. Just offering a couple of my eurocents. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT Plain Text
Chris Withers wrote: Phillip J. Eby wrote: I personally would like to see ZPT support plain text at some point, and it already has some of the things necessary to do it. But that's a separate issue from Zope 3X or Zope 3 itself. It already can: dummy tal:omit-tag= tal:content=mymethod Some dummy text /dummy Or even: dummy tal:replace=mymethod Some dummy text /dummy It's more long winded that DTML in this case, but there's no need for another markup language... How would you do repeating texts or conditional texts like this? I mean, perhaps it's obvious; I haven't played enough with ZPT yet. I also think this looks rather unnatural when doing email templates or SQL templates. A completely stripped down magic-less variety of something DTMLish with support for tales expressions might be worth exploring for these purposes. Another possibility is to design teeny dedicated systems that are magic rich but extremely limited (and then strongly resist any extending it). Something is needed for ZSQL at least in my opinion. In XPath Methods I simply used the way XPath deals with variables ($foo) to parameterize them. Perhaps there are some semi-standard conventions for SQL that we could use? Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!
Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 11:38, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: If people agree, I will go through the Zope 3 CVS and change all references from Feature to Adaptor. :) Please try to avoid crossposts over zope-dev and zope3-dev. Apologies. Though the first cross-post was the way I actually found out about the existence of zope3-dev. :) Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff!
- Original Message - From: Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bill Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 19:29 Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Cool stuff! Andreas Jung wrote: [snip] On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 11:38, Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: If people agree, I will go through the Zope 3 CVS and change all references from Feature to Adaptor. :) Please try to avoid crossposts over zope-dev and zope3-dev. Apologies. Though the first cross-post was the way I actually found out about the existence of zope3-dev. :) Ok, let us allow crossposts to spread the good news about Z3. Andreas ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] ZPT Plain Text
At 05:58 PM 12/4/01 +, Chris Withers wrote: Phillip J. Eby wrote: I personally would like to see ZPT support plain text at some point, and it already has some of the things necessary to do it. But that's a separate issue from Zope 3X or Zope 3 itself. It already can: [example snipped] Last I looked, there were still certain constructs that could not have the tag opted-out-of. But that was a month or two ago and TAL moves fast... :) I don't remember seeing tal:omit-tag before, so maybe that was the last piece of the puzzle. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB
Could you explain the problems that should be solved by this a little? I find it rather hard to contribute anything useful without knowing some concrete examples ... Btw, i have a prototype Catalog that speeds up things a bit in usual scenarios. It is cacheable, implements an extended query interface and solves two performance issues with certain queries. I intend to put that into a proposal :-), but probably not until next week. If anybody wants to discuss that and/or take a look, just mail me. Wolfram - Original Message - From: Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Matt Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wolfram Kerber [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Searching/Indexing/ZODB/SQL/BerkleyDB Casey Duncan wrote: I think my first real proposal of any significance will be to replace the catalog with a truely industrial strength indexing bohemoth, that can be plugged into this whole component arch. thingamawhammy. *cough* --- http://sourceforge.net/projects/pythonindexer Care to help? I'm hoping to get started on it this evening with Docs and the like :-) cheers, Chris ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
