On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hi there,
Of course what applies to Hanno should apply to others making releases
of packages maintained by the Zope Toolkit project as well. I think the
ZTK leadership should figure out some kind of guidelines for
Vincent Fretin wrote:
For the tool, I think I did it already. I modified one of Hanno's
script some times ago:
cd zopetoolkit/trunk
bin/buildout -c checknew.cfg
bin/python checknew.py
Cool! This tool should be documented if it isn't already.
Why is this in a separate .cfg unlike the other
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Good evening :)
If you have a specific issue with me, you might contact me in private.
But with your follow-ups this turned into a more general issue.
No, I think this needs to be public as the ZTK is a public project that
I care about. And you're not playing your
On 5/3/10 12:20 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
Good evening :)
If you have a specific issue with me, you might contact me in private.
But with your follow-ups this turned into a more general issue.
No, I think this needs to be public as the ZTK is a public project that
I
Hi there,
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
I expect us to define the process around package releases and updating
the ZTK. It's not entirely clear to me who should and who is allowed
to update the ZTK definition. We'll figure things out and once we have
I'll stick to the rules.
My few cents:
I
On 5/3/10 12:34 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hi there,
Hanno Schlichting wrote:
I expect us to define the process around package releases and updating
the ZTK. It's not entirely clear to me who should and who is allowed
to update the ZTK definition. We'll figure things out and once we have
I'll
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Can we please not rehash an old discussion or make this personal? This
has all been discussed too often already.
As far as I know, I've *never* discussed this fork on this list, but I
might be wrong; feel free to dig the archives. But that doesn't matter:
the fork is
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
I suggest that we wait impatiently for the ZTK steering committee to
come up with a useful policy instead of trying to do their work when
none of us volunteered for the task.
I don't understand your suggestion. Could you rephrase it?
I'm a ZTK user, and I'm
On 5/3/10 12:52 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
I suggest that we wait impatiently for the ZTK steering committee to
come up with a useful policy instead of trying to do their work when
none of us volunteered for the task.
I don't understand your suggestion. Could you
Martijn Faassen wrote:
[snip]
Why is this in a separate .cfg unlike the other tools that come with the
ZTK? Unless creating this extra script is very expensive, I think it
makes sense to generate it in 'bin' along with the rest of the scripts.
To expand on that, it'd be nice if it were also
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
On 5/3/10 12:51 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Can we please not rehash an old discussion or make this personal? This
has all been discussed too often already.
As far as I know, I've *never* discussed this fork on this list, but I
might be wrong;
On 5/3/10 13:07 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
On 5/3/10 12:51 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Can we please not rehash an old discussion or make this personal? This
has all been discussed too often already.
As far as I know, I've *never* discussed this
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
On 5/3/10 12:52 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
I suggest that we wait impatiently for the ZTK steering committee to
come up with a useful policy instead of trying to do their work when
none of us volunteered for the task.
I don't understand your
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Sorry, my mistake. I meant the ZTK release manage group, not the now
defunct ZTK steering group,
If it's defunct someone better update the documentation.
Regards,
Martijn
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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 13:22, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Sorry, my mistake. I meant the ZTK release manage group, not the now
defunct ZTK steering group,
Well, if it's defunct or not is up to the members of the steering
group. The steering group
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 13:22, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Sorry, my mistake. I meant the ZTK release manage group, not the now
defunct ZTK steering group,
Well, if it's defunct or not is up to the members of the steering
On 5/3/10 15:41 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 13:22, Martijn Faassenfaas...@startifact.com wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
Sorry, my mistake. I meant the ZTK release manage group, not the now
defunct ZTK steering group,
Well, if it's defunct or not
On 2010-05-03, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
On 5/3/10 15:41 , Martijn Faassen wrote:
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 13:22, Martijn Faassenfaas...@startifact.com
wrote:
Wichert Akkerman wrote:
If we're going to make cheap shots: that's still a lot faster than the
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 15:41, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Well, I'm disappointed in the zope documentation process then. Work faster!
:)
If you don't inform people about this release manager team thingy, you
can't rightly expect people like me to care about it.
Heh.
Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 15:41, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Well, I'm disappointed in the zope documentation process then. Work faster!
:)
If you don't inform people about this release manager team thingy, you
can't rightly expect people like me to
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 17:30, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Answers like read the mailing list archives and we're working on it
are legitimate sometimes. But they're also all too easily the answers of
a bureaucracy that's stalling things as bureaucracies do. They're not
very
Hi there,
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know anything about the fork, but my view of the fork is that
of Hanno wants a fork, Hanno can have a fork, as long as he doesn't
try to poke anyones eye out with it. If it's a stupid waste of time,
On 4 May 2010 00:09, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hanno is making releases of packages in the ZTK. So it's not just
Hanno's waste of time; it's mine too. That's where I was coming from
when this discussion started. It didn't help that the action of making
the fork really hurt
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 18:09, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hanno is making releases of packages in the ZTK. So it's not just
Hanno's waste of time; it's mine too.
Obviously he shouldn't hurt the main ZTK in any way. That would be a
problem (even if i missed this incident
Hi there,
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 18:09, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hanno is making releases of packages in the ZTK. So it's not just
Hanno's waste of time; it's mine too.
Obviously he shouldn't hurt
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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 18:09, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Hanno is making releases of packages in the ZTK. So it's not just
Hanno's
Am 03.05.2010, 19:59 Uhr, schrieb Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com:
I haven't seen a plausible reason why the fork should be necessary. It
just uses some updated versions of packages (mostly bugfix releases)
that would have been updated in the ZTK as well if people had bothered
to
Hey,
Tres Seaver wrote:
[snip]
I expect to see Zope2 trunk move to using the ZTK versions list quite
soon: more than that, I'm willing to to the work to see that it happens
(verifying that everything passes / works with the change), and give
Hanno the patch to make it so, assuming he doesn't
Charlie Clark wrote:
FWIW this is a very poor
strategy to win people over to your point of view.
I'm not trying to win over people to my point of view. I tried that last
year, but people just forked when they couldn't work it out with me.
I've learned that rash actions without consideration
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Last december Hanno made progress on the ZTK's dependency structure,
removing a lot of dependencies on packages. In his enthusiasm, he
unilaterally just removed all those suddenly-unneeded (by him!) packages
from the
Hi there,
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Hanno Schlichting ha...@hannosch.eu wrote:
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com
wrote:
Last december Hanno made progress on the ZTK's dependency structure,
removing a lot of dependencies on packages. In his
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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:56 PM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com
wrote:
Last december Hanno made progress on the ZTK's dependency structure,
removing a lot of dependencies on packages. In his enthusiasm, he
Hi there,
Hanno, can you please update the zopetoolkit and do tests there as well
when you make releases of packages maintained by the Zope Toolkit
project? Because otherwise you're just wasting my time trying to sync
things up again, and that's annoying.
Not annoying me is one good reason,
Hi there,
Of course what applies to Hanno should apply to others making releases
of packages maintained by the Zope Toolkit project as well. I think the
ZTK leadership should figure out some kind of guidelines for this that
people can follow. Maybe someone can write a tool too to check up how
Hi there,
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Of course what applies to Hanno should apply to others making releases
of packages maintained by the Zope Toolkit project as well. I think the
ZTK leadership should figure out some kind of guidelines for this that
people can follow. Maybe someone can write
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 22:52, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Of course what applies to Hanno should apply to others making releases
of packages maintained by the Zope Toolkit project as well. I think the
ZTK leadership should figure out some kind of guidelines for this that
Good evening :)
If you have a specific issue with me, you might contact me in private.
But with your follow-ups this turned into a more general issue.
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Martijn Faassen faas...@startifact.com wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
Of course what applies to Hanno should
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