Re: [ZWeb] zope.org move
On Oct 12, 2011, at 16:03 , Jim Fulton wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote: ... I suspect there might be releases lurking elsewhere. I'll run the script I used to generate the dump for other parts of the database, just in case. There were a few releases under Documentation and quite a few under Members. I've put Documentation.tgz and Members.tgz in app2.zope.org:/home/zope Thanks Jim. Those files are now stitched into old.zope.org as well. I'm going to prepare an email to zope-...@zope.org now describing the conversion and asking people to check for any files they may depend on (buildouts, etc). jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] buildout link broken
On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:09 , Baiju M wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Sascha Welter zopel...@betabug.ch wrote: Hi! Someone on #zope just noted that on http://www.zope.org/community the link to http://buildout.zope.org/ is dead. buildout.zope.org does not resolve properly (there is a CNAME record to hetzner03-1.zope.org - but name resolution stops there). The CNAME could be fixed, but I would suggest to use the actual URL, that is http://www.buildout.org/ Hi Sascha, This is my fault, the new CNAME for buildout.zope.org was set wrong when I moved all content to the new ZF server. I just corrected it, it may take a fw hours to be visible everywhere. As Baiju says, the canonical domain for that site is www.buildout.org, which has worked throughout. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org move
Hi Jim, Great. I have a 400MB tarball. I put in ~zope on app2.zope.org. I assume you have access to that machine. If not, let me know where I should put it. As soon as you bring up a static old.zope.org (and switch dns, of course), I'll decommission the current machines. Others have found a serious issue with the static data: Due to the way the software release product and folders were structured, the tarball contains no Zope release tarballs/exe-files. The tarball URLs end up as folders containing the view templates swreleasefile_view and viewMD5. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org move
On Oct 11, 2011, at 15:45 , Jim Fulton wrote: If I can provide a new tar ball that contains just release files in folders, can you knit it into the static site? I think the only way to make them available without breaking all internal links to these releases on the static site would be to put them separately and use Apache rewrite magic to try and catch any requests for the files themselves, which would always end in .../Zope-XXX.[tgz|exe|…] jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org move
On Oct 11, 2011, at 17:10 , Jim Fulton wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Jens Vagelpohl j...@dataflake.org wrote: But that's not enough. The internal links on the static site point to items *past* the tarball filename, like XXX/Zope-2.12.0-final.tgz/swreleasefile_view. If I just replace what's currently a folder with the actual tarball I don't need to do any Apache magic and the file will be in the right place, but you cannot navigate to the release file from within the old.zope.org site anymore. The navigation links there will all break. Can you give an example? Go to http://old.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.11.4/ and notice the link URLs for the items Zope-2.11.4-final.tgz and Zope-2.11.4-win32.exe. Maybe we need to clean up those links. Yes, that's another option. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org move
Hi Jim, Great. I have a 400MB tarball. I put in ~zope on app2.zope.org. I assume you have access to that machine. If not, let me know where I should put it. As soon as you bring up a static old.zope.org (and switch dns, of course), I'll decommission the current machines. I'll look at it over the next couple days. Thanks! jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org move
On Oct 10, 2011, at 08:57 , Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Hi Jim, Great. I have a 400MB tarball. I put in ~zope on app2.zope.org. I assume you have access to that machine. If not, let me know where I should put it. As soon as you bring up a static old.zope.org (and switch dns, of course), I'll decommission the current machines. I'll look at it over the next couple days. Thanks! Hi Jim, I've spent a little time looking at the files and doing some cleanup. It works, mostly. I've deployed it and changed DNS. Once the DNS change has propagated and there is no negative feedback the ZC-hosted version can go away. Thanks for the tarball! jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] download.zope.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/10 16:04 , Sascha Welter wrote: The problem is solved though, thanks to Jens having called the hosting company. I had contacted him and two other people directly, because I soon noticed that this list was offline too, due to running on mail.zope.org, which was down too. It's all one server: buildout.org, download.zope.org, docs.zope.org, mail.zope.org. I haven not seen a promised email from the hosting provider about the causes. There was a kernel panic. They assured me it was not a hardware problem. And of course it had to happen as I was traveling without laptop. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkyzICsACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKU0ACfRww1yUzeviVoIg6zolqY9AOl PN0AoLg5949j/DpjByhGsb/1XRmuyMcM =XCOW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Documentation site is not getting updated
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 8/11/10 14:44 , Baiju M wrote: Hi, I think the cron job or script not working. Now the documentation site is not getting updated: http://bluebream.zope.org/doc/1.0/index.html Who is having access to check docs.zope.org, bluebream.zope.org and other Sphix sites. (I can understand that 2 or 3 persons would be best with access to check these kind of things than many people with access) Hi Baiju, Could you contact me directly with issues such as this? Thanks. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkxinHUACgkQRAx5nvEhZLLuXQCfVQmktypP3C6JGmJLyWijFmOY 36AAn3D8+vFj4cOnhgswVDhZdArVGtCE =7fug -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.zope.org
On Oct 7, 2009, at 12:30 , Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Forwarding an email - what do you think? Regards Michael Milind Khadilkar wrote: Hi, I have pointed zope2.org to zope2.zope.org If there is any objection to it, please let me know and I will remove it. That's very nice of him, but I fear it will only increase the confusion about all those microsites that we have. jens smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.zope.org
On Oct 7, 2009, at 16:16 , Lennart Regebro wrote: 2009/10/7 Andreas Jung li...@zopyx.com: It's just a redirect - so I don't see much problems with that. Yeah, so long as nobody starts advertising that address widely it's not a problem. No one needs to advertise it actively, search engines will do that sooner or later. From that viewpoint, it should not be there at all. jens smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 7, 2009, at 08:36 , Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Hi, disk is full again. Last successful transaction was at 2009-08-07 12:50:24 AM systemtime. As predicted, the disk was full when the pack process finished. I'm surprised it did finish at all. I deleted the Data.fs.old file. @Jim: the automated pack apparently does not pack to 0 days. Someone will have to do this manually to get a smaller ZODB. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkp74t0ACgkQRAx5nvEhZLJA5ACeJahNKZlVu51+D+EEcSwDUUqR gOoAn34HwfDCELg34sdcIUx2iT1/boZI =0zgc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:52 , Jim Fulton wrote: We're going to replace the hardware, and when we do, we'll have a much larger disk. I think we have enough disk space for now as long as we don't pack. Who is making sure that any automated pack cron jobs are turned off? jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkp8JPIACgkQRAx5nvEhZLLSGQCfZE+s+ZN+ypBOi4+2U3uuXaCX GjkAoILRa8rMFpij1YW1k1kfyUsvR+eK =7uRY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Error Type, IOError, Error Value, [Errno 28] No space left on device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 6, 2009, at 09:43 , Andreas Jung wrote: Same issue this morning. This must be fixed soon - otherwise we can not proceed with the releases. I just looked and for some strange reason the ZODB has grown to over 30 GB, which means it more than doubled in size since the last full backup on August 2. Looking at the backup files from repozo it appears the massive growth happened over the last few days, those daily incrementals since August 2 range from 5-6 GB in size each. I have now freed up 3 GB by deleting the remaining delta files from the previous round of backups, but this may not be enough seeing how fast the database is growing. Something fishy is going on. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkp6kyMACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKcMACeOu7iaFufinRDHL7QsUkvr9bJ /wIAn3yJqvo1qiA2mE4XlCGodleA93NC =/IOy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Error Type, IOError, Error Value, [Errno 28] No space left on device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 6, 2009, at 17:44 , Jim Fulton wrote: Jens, We're doing this. (Actually, we're going to copy the backups to another disk first.) We're also going to upgrade the hardware and switch to using ZRS. Sorry, I should have acked sooner. Bad me. Bad bad me. No worries, just means less on my plate ;-) jens P.S.: A bigger disk would really be handy as well. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkp6+1kACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKZNwCdFiRW2p1ZY6DXMlFPxLTDmFQY eFIAoKxk2VIfGQOs36U4Ie4xPwa/HDMh =zcPd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Error Type, IOError, Error Value, [Errno 28] No space left on device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 3, 2009, at 18:01 , Andreas Jung wrote: We run out of disk space for the zope.org site. Does this error still occur? I see 12 GB free on that drive, but there's two other people who logged in before me, maybe they deleted something. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkp3GmoACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKJ6QCgiRuvijMieeuzE266cY+DoBen VwIAoJSxTmoe5R5+c4czJaf3UcRSvjhn =Lqqi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Error Type, IOError, Error Value, [Errno 28] No space left on device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 3, 2009, at 19:22 , David Lawson wrote: Joseph and I both cleaned off some things. I also modified the repozo backup cleanup script to only keep six days of backups, otherwise we would have run out of space again either in a week or the next time the database packed. The major space usage was the Data.fs, the Data.fs.old, and two full FS backups made by repozo. Alright, thanks for jumping onto it so quickly! jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkp3HUgACgkQRAx5nvEhZLLP6wCdH0owTDMFlWaVtdMFuYfhERYx z7oAn348M9nLuYuLg9NfqC23VBeYSLke =6HrL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Error Type, IOError, Error Value, [Errno 28] No space left on device
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 3, 2009, at 19:25 , Andreas Jung wrote: On 03.08.09 19:24, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On Aug 3, 2009, at 19:22 , David Lawson wrote: Joseph and I both cleaned off some things. I also modified the repozo backup cleanup script to only keep six days of backups, otherwise we would have run out of space again either in a week or the next time the database packed. The major space usage was the Data.fs, the Data.fs.old, and two full FS backups made by repozo. Alright, thanks for jumping onto it so quickly! Right now zope.org is dead - all requests are hanging. It works perfectly fine for me. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkp3HkAACgkQRAx5nvEhZLIujwCdEvNmHBw03c8E6fc8Te1YaKdC u7QAnAkIA+njy09Zug9hscZYNzgbUJgR =Z1/f -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org filesystem full
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jul 8, 2009, at 10:31 , Michael Haubenwallner wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi, just got an [Errno 28] No space left on device when adding a new user account. Could you please look into this? I noticed that there are all kinds of old data files and backups on the storage server and have contacted Jim to see what can go. In the meantime, I have deleted the Data.fs.old from the last pack so the problem should be gone. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkpUbD4ACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKBfACgm+7azNqtBApFPUFEO+qTruCm tegAnjpQak/FvzH1x1Ri+eBn0FL06+lp =XjMd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] an idea for the wiki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 31, 2009, at 20:23 , Simon Michael wrote: Oh. That seems a pity, with Zope 3.4 just out; a site facelift would help. Would the designer care to comment ? The designer is not part of the community. He won't see your mail. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkmFdlkACgkQRAx5nvEhZLJdSgCgrkxsZmbyMZrH68hyRLr75uLH 5VAAmQEpa7uZFmOCp6ghvI+pYNJQY9JH =X9v8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] svn server broken
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 9, 2008, at 13:05 , Michael Haubenwallner wrote: A 'svn up' at svn.zope.org returns an error atm: svn: Can't find a temporary directory: Error string not specified yet I have poked around a little bit and it appears there's a hard drive issue on the box. I have alerted the Zope Corp SAs and Jim, there's nothing I can do from here. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkkW1eAACgkQRAx5nvEhZLIZyQCcCHYZgA248TtlNaQCETkK0iDh zusAoJCqQL4EFZ+DbdhrScYY9mtowG/k =OOnl -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Reverse DNS record for cvs.zope.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 29, 2008, at 12:09 , Sascha Welter wrote: Hi! The DNS for cvs.zope.org (used to send out password mails from zope.org) points to 74.84.203.155. The reverse lookup of 74.84.203.155 points to 203-155.baymountain.com and 203-155.baymountain.com does not resolve to any IP address. This results in some people being unable to receive password confirmation mails etc. Maybe an A record for 203-155.baymountain.com could be set up or the PTR record for 74.84.203.155 configured to something valid? These reverse/forward DNS records are not under Zope Foundation control. I'll forward your request to the Zope Corp SAs, who may be able to do something about it. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAki36UgACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKwlQCeKBWepiyToD5IRh0yU0XZwG7o bDcAnj/YzewSKrAAG8KIl8TMlXKcls0X =6ZwE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] weird cache behaviour?
On Jul 21, 2008, at 17:55 , Chris Withers wrote: Is it just me or is the cache behaviour still pretty weird? I'm trying to upload the windows build for 2.11.1 and have had to log in 2 or 3 times... It is still weird and it will probably remain that way. The caching tier is independent and not under our control. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Zope and https
Hi Chad, The mailing list for technical questions is [EMAIL PROTECTED], the one you sent your request to is only for technical or organizational issues pertaining to the zope.org websites and services. Currently we use pound as a front end to Zope instances (mainly 2.8 and 2.9). To achieve a https connection for the http instance (for using SSL to login into ZMI and content management) we have duplicated the http instance but changed the zope.conf to include a different port number and the cgi-environment HTTPS ON /cgi-environment. We then stand up two different pound configs for handling them. With our zope instances growing I would like to find a way to have one zope instance answer and handle both the http and https requests. I know you can set up multiple http-server handlers with different ports, but how do you get the cgi-environment directive to apply to only one of them? Zope does not handle HTTPS itself. The standard way to deal with a site that needs HTTPS is to put a web server like Apache in front of it which deals with the encryption part and then use the standard Apache proxying to talk to Zope in the background, non-encrypted. You're already using a variant of this proxying technique with Pound it seems. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org migration
On Jun 20, 2008, at 06:20 , David Lawson wrote: Dave, is there a way to go back to the caching configuration that existed before the move? The current caching is way too aggressive and prevents people from doing any content creation and editing on zope.org. Well. I had a look and I can certainly see why you've noticed a difference. zope.org, prior to the move, was essentially un- cached. It had a very small cache configured on the children and the parents were configured not to cache anything for zope.org at all. We can certainly go back to that configuration if you'd like, it's a pretty minimal change. Please do. A slow zope.org is still better than an unusable zope.org. ;-) jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org migration
On Jun 19, 2008, at 20:53 , Andreas Jung wrote: I am logged in as ajung. http://zope.org/Products/Zope/2.11.0 shows up with all Plohn edit options. http://zope.org/Products/Zope/2.10.6/ does not. Even worser: wget http://zope.org/Products/Zope/2.11.0/folder_contents; returns the page from the cache rendered within _my_ user context. That's totally broken :-) What is the current status of this issue? It can not be that personalized content (of authenticated users) is being cached and delivered to the outside world. I still can not do anything on zope.org :- I do not know what the status is since I can't touch the caching tier and have to rely on ZC admins to fix it. I'm CCing Dave Lawson. Dave, is there a way to go back to the caching configuration that existed before the move? The current caching is way too aggressive and prevents people from doing any content creation and editing on zope.org. Thanks! jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org migration
On Jun 15, 2008, at 06:09 , Andreas Jung wrote: --On 15. Juni 2008 06:04:37 -0500 Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO seeing some caching-related issues in exchange for enjoying a redundantly configured caching tier is a good tradeoff for the current site. The current caching makes it impossible to edit anything on zope.org in a reasonable way. I have always been able to work with it using force-reload where necessary, using Camino or Firefox. I know some other browsers like Safari don't seem to be able to send a real force-reload, so I gave up on those for zope.org editing work. I have to admit I have not done any editing work after this move, but I have been able to log in and get to folder content views etc with all logged-in options intact and visible. If you are using a suitable browser that can issue real forced reloads and you still see a problem let us know, David (or some other ZC SA) will have to look into it then. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] NOTICE: zope.org server move
The zope.org-related servers and services maintained by Zope Corporation will be moving to a new home late Thursday night Eastern Standard Time. What services are affected? --- The most important service addresses include... - www.zope.org - svn.zope.org - cvs.zope.org - mail.zope.org and lists.zope.org How long will the outage last? The servers will be moved physically to a new hosting provider. There will be an outage of about 2 hours for the physical move, as well as an outage while the new DNS information for these services propagate throughout the internet. Service may be spotty for several hours past the 2 hour physical move window. Work is slated to start at about 11:00 PM Eastern Standard Time (04:00 GMT, 05:00 CEST). How does this affect me? If you are doing development on software stored on svn.zope.org, or if you want to surf www.zope.org or use the egg repository on zope.org you will see an outage lasting at least 2 hours. Please refrain from checking in software changes during this period and wait until the service addresses resolve normally. Mail to or from the Zope mailing lists will be interrupted until the physical move has been completed and the DNS record changes have propagated to your ISP. The Zope Corporation sysadmin team will handle the move, if you have any questions please contact me directly and I will clear up any issues with them. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: AW: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope] Zope lists in google
On Feb 11, 2008, at 15:03 , Chris Withers wrote: Josef Meile wrote: Somebody didn't like the bots to roam the archives? I have a feeling someone didn't want bots spanking some web- subversion front end that's running, but the end result is that we loose all Zope code and mailing list archives from Google :-( Yes, that's really sad. I really don't like gmane searching function :-( and google is my friend ;-) Indeed. Jens was chasing this up with the powers that be, I wonder if he's had any feedback? Since it was the weekend and no one at ZC can be expected to sit around just waiting for someone from the ZWeb list to complain it took a few days. The robots.txt file is now empty. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki.zope.org not responding
On Feb 4, 2008, at 21:32 , Simon Michael wrote: I wonder what we could do about that. I'm on #zope poking it with a stick, if anyone wants to brainstorm ? Move it to a real server with sufficient memory would be my guess. I have a feeling that the virtual server restricts process creation after a certain memory threshold has been reached, which would prevent Apache processes from spawning, so Apache gets killed slowly. You could slow down the process by restricting the wiki.zope.org memory use even further by continuing to reducing the number of threads/database connections. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki.zope.org not responding
On Feb 4, 2008, at 08:46 , Sascha Welter wrote: Hello there! Could someone look into wiki.zope.org not responding? I get connection refused on port 80, has been like this since yesterday I think. It's back up. The site had eaten up most memory on that virtual server again and Apache was dead. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] cvs.zope.com issues
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Jul 2007, at 21:27, Mark W. Alexander wrote: Could someone be attempting to mirror via HTTP and inadvertently glomming the cvs views? Just FYI, the only true mirror I am aware of, the one set up by Christian Theune at http://svn.zope.de/zope.org/, uses the svnsync utility to poll for changes every 5 minutes. As far as I know this is not using the htp protocol. I may be wrong, I'm trying to find where it stores the source URLs to query and cannot see it. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGqQaERAx5nvEhZLIRApRnAJ9bxfbuLr1ifFKOacbQTiwg3YbVoQCeMab+ iLnkos8y/K/u3Kwfjt3zuYc= =ug5N -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki.zope.org news
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Yesterday, an automated zope restart failed because of an error related to the (new) permanent zeo cache. I have gone back to temporary zeo cache. Persistent ZEO caches usually create more problems than they solve. There are deeply hidden bugs that can cause inconsistencies between the cache state and the real state. I'd never recommend anyone use them. - Today, zope stopped responding as both threads blocked trying to send mail. (I was able to see this from the traceback in event.log when I killed them.) Some sort of deadlock with qmail. This has been happening before so it's good to pinpoint it. I will switch to MaildropHost asap which may help. It will help in this specific situation. Mail will not block any Zope thread at that point. Edit operations, especially those touching many pages, can still be rather slow as we are still memory-constrained (~250M quota). The server is currently running two zope threads with cache-size 3000. When it exceeds quota (be it through normal growth or memory leak) it is restarted; this is still happening one or more times per day. Restarting and warming up the caches is quite slow (can be 5-10 minutes if I'm not mistaken). I have gone from 7-day to 2-day nightly packs to keep zodb size around the 1G mark (and within the 8G disk quota). Martijn Faassen is pursuing a possible new, beefier hosting situation. That is a pretty sad hosting situations. Good luck finding something better. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFF70ymRAx5nvEhZLIRAqN9AJ0UtD5IJf5l7rELaeQ+L4/bT29kSACgo4Sl l2l+7hPF2nw/RZ8Q88RduBU= =U9by -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] No space left on device error on zope.org
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Nov 2006, at 10:22, Andreas Jung wrote: I just tried to login however zope.org seems to have run out of disk space. Could somebody check please? The mounted drive where the ZODB resides on storage1.zope.org ran out of space, apparently during a pack, when it ran out of space. I deleted a few obsolete backups and the failed Data.fs.pack, and that should enable a successful pack next time. But when a pack happens we're coming within a couple GB of running out. Jim: Under storage1.zope.org:/mnt/drive2/zope there is a folder old- var containing a 28 GB (!) ZODB from October 2005. Can that be deleted? I'm not sure who put it there any why. That would solve space problems on that drive for the foreseeable future. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFaBEkRAx5nvEhZLIRAlv3AJ9tYnxDnafF52wNzojnR1K3VeGn/gCgufyJ 6Govo1dWePTpObjGED1r4JM= =1MnT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki urls
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24 Oct 2006, at 13:32, Simon Michael wrote: FYI: wiki.zope.org/zope3 now works as an alternative url for zope3.zwiki.org. Thinking about efficient canonical urls - easy to type, spell, remember, maintain - for the wikis (about 70 of them!), we could go with 1. wiki.zope.org/WIKIID 2. WIKIID.wiki.zope.org 3. WIKIID.zopewiki.org (for example - some simple single-word domain) Any other good options ? I am implementing 1 first. +1 on 1. Any other solution will require extra configurations to develop and maintain. IMHO the very worst outcome, however, would be the way things are on the current zope.org where some places can be reached in two ways (think dev.zope.org and www.zope.org/DevHome). I always found that unnecessarily confusing. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFP6kbRAx5nvEhZLIRAvSPAJ4rSswa4vFqdS46aD2TExdoHoB5cwCgpl11 AH3R27hAVUC8nWVCliHFrAU= =u6Jv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Oct 2006, at 01:53, Kevin Teague wrote: Hello zope-web, I'd like to help out with the effort to renew the zope.org web site (s). I've started developing a new skin for ZWiki intended for use with the new zope 3 wiki. Copying the style from the new Zope Foundation site seemed like a good place to start - it would be nice if the new microsites have a reasonably consistent look and feel. I've put up a development copy of an initial skin here: Hm... I thought we had not made any decision as to a _zope.org_ design, only a _foundation.zope.org_ design - those are two different things. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFM4RGRAx5nvEhZLIRAjJgAKC0NpXps1b7fZnzN7DKN4Nv6aNJmgCeL7M9 gtD8YtwEi8f0DXUIelETxrE= =gnmb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 16 Oct 2006, at 09:43, Andrew Sawyers wrote: Besides, if we choose a different design for zope.org it might be a bit confusing when you jump to a wiki site with a different design - unless that doesn't matter. Well, I think this design is born from the design originally made for zope.org, no? So hopefully we can use something similar for all the sites. ___ You are right Lennart - I think Jens is a little confused. :) I don't think so. The foundation design was based on zope.org design mockups, but AFAIK the actual discussion about what design to use for zope.org had not ended. We just took the mockup for the foundation site because we needed something right away and the foundation site design did not elicit as much discussion as the overall zope.org design. Don't get me wrong, if we can make a quick decision to use this design for all zope.org-related sites I'd be really happy. I'm just trying to make sure we have a decision supported by a majority, which I did not think existed for zope.org - only for foundation.zope.org. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFM43jRAx5nvEhZLIRArNfAJwLiCFsIAf1ScOXDG1e6OX8NLMb9wCbBsnr t7c+u221KJe/QNik14UIJWY= =lnD2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Apache config for lists.zope.org/mail.zope.org fubar?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Oct 2006, at 03:06, Lennart Regebro wrote: Does this have anything with the sudden onsplurt of spam via Zope mailing lists? No. Unless Apache sends mail nowadays... The Mailman thing was an *unrelated* problem. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFL4pVRAx5nvEhZLIRAsX8AJsEw+JBrfc70KSgiqNd696yPmk5cQCaA+sp d9ytVIkvgcPTMREzQEkTWdw= =g+ec -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org dns
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am I right in assuming that: - zope.org whois records are now correct and, nameserver wise, point to: Name Server:NS1.ZONEEDIT.COM Name Server:NS7.ZONEEDIT.COM I'll note that I currently see the old list, but I'm assuming this is a propogation issue and I just need to wait? Go to http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp to find out. The changes Rob said he made yesterday are not showing yet. I don't know how long it takes for that kind of change to go through. Once those changes are visible only ns1/ns7.zoneedit.com will show. - zonedit is going to be our only DNS host and all its records are currently correct, we're just waiting for them to propogate? We're mainly waiting for the registrar changes to go through because 3 out of 5 DNS servers that are part of the old records either send out incorrect data (ns.qutang.net) or they don't know records like foundation.zope.org (ns2.zope.com, ns3.zope.com, ns.qutang.net). jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFL45oRAx5nvEhZLIRArxQAKCJQbyyTPilVpaTD/eWzAgL7N7PBwCfU6Bn jc7fByvPyqEHxPamaUL9Ayw= =QEdw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org dns
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Oct 2006, at 09:25, David Lawson wrote: Speaking of this, since only the ZoneEdit servers are going to be listed as authoritative for this zone, once the changes propagate, shall we just shut down serving DNS for zope.org from the zope.com DNS servers? Or would you prefer that we remain as a slave and we just work out the NOTIFY nonsense later? Apparently zoneedit does not do NOTIFY - IMHO a huge drawback that necessitates scripting or manual pulling of data. Once the WHOIS record changes have propagated the zope.com servers can basically go away, but please leave them on until then. Actually, if you have a second, could you add a record for foundation.zope.org (63.240.213.174) or pull down the current data from zoneedit and feed it into ns2/ns3.zope.com? jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFL5ZtRAx5nvEhZLIRAl9TAJ4sfTO0YguPiyxd2zATnsctBN70bACfWM5K MOik7kyyE6j22jryh6q8JwU= =e9Lj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Apache config for lists.zope.org/mail.zope.org fubar?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13 Oct 2006, at 08:34, Andrew Sawyers wrote: Not exactly. An Apache directive fubar doesn't cause spam making it through mailman. Dave already said the way he unwedged Mailman may have something to do with the spam, let's drop it, it all works now. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFL5cBRAx5nvEhZLIRAj6BAKCsuUKGJGlm2u7Mjk9PH5AKOq1i4ACeIbhW kd2fC9W470Zzp0ZYwyhy2D0= =Vfkf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:15, Justizin wrote: (a) I don't control the actual registrar records (b) Yes, these were listed in the zone itself as the NS, but noone should be doing lookups via these servers, because ZoneEdit is not authoritative for the NS records of this zone, the registrar is. To stay strictly on technical issues, I think you're constantly implying that the DNS servers for the zope.org zone that are listed by the registrar are not the same as the DNS servers the zone data itself contains. Can you explain why this discrepancy exists, or why it makes sense? I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone. If you want to grab a copy of the zone, you'll have to transfer manually from ns1.zoneedit.com or ns7.zoneedit.com, from one of these IP addresses: No you don't. Setting a machine up as a slave, in that terrible bind- centric world, will cause it to pull the data automatically. ZoneEdit apparently does not run BIND, or at least does not send NOTIFY requests. I don't know what you want me to do. Nothing. I am describing the situation where you have a bind slave and you are configuring a slave zone for the first time. At that moment you don't have to manually pull the zone data, bind will magically fetch it. This was a hint for people who might want to set up a slave. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFLkJnRAx5nvEhZLIRApZWAKCdD4MxCtrJuZ+ezihcYnnC+KugmQCghgEC bAxQ9hjKbWdXHVdz5nuTzT8= =0e5C -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 09:20, Chris Withers wrote: Justizin wrote: I'd love to see more backups once they have copies of the zone. Why? zope.org has happily lived off two nameservers for years and years... All of a sudden, we need to have more backups, the upshot of which has been people in europe getting served bad dns from ns.qutang.net :-( What's wrong with just having ns1.zoneedit.com and ns7.zoneedit.com (could we also use ns(2-6).zoneedit.com?) and be done with it? It makes sense to have name servers in different physical locations and on different networks in case one provider runs into trouble. The point of contention is the number of slaves. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFLkLoRAx5nvEhZLIRArSuAKC1xDSZzd+Y4elgChwKb8i9INCerACfZMBZ wdI8SlUIRqp+QWM6Wbj7wqw= =zPH2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] DNS still fishy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 Oct 2006, at 10:05, Lennart Regebro wrote: But honestly, compare the likelyhood that all three of these would fail at one time, together with the increasing likelyhood than one server of them is misconfigured and starts disturbing the usage for a minor part of the users, then we will quickly realize that the more backups and failsafes we have the larger the likelyhood that something of this will go wrong. 8 servers seems to be to be a complete overkill, and it will only cause problems. I will change my mind on this the time all zone-edit servers stop working at the same time as two of the backups fail. Don't overcomplicate things. It just makes them fail. Exactly. We are not building a carrier-grade solution here because, as the programmer idiom goes, it is YAGNI (you ain't gonna need it). Keeping a carrier-grade solution running correctly is always more effort than keeping the simple solution up. There's a diminishing return between upkeep/effort/maintenance/script-writing and oops, DNS is gone for an hour. I seriously don't see the added value. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFLmpZRAx5nvEhZLIRAt/JAKCtd4n0eXB+40oC9taJu9NXjzpsjQCgrxpt EWr/MZcXHi7iMWqNkKNYdiU= =OHbm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Apache config for lists.zope.org/mail.zope.org fubar?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Going to lists.zope.org and mail.zope.org used to bring up the Mailman pages for the mailing lists. Now I see the buildbot web output. Something done got broke. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFLnVyRAx5nvEhZLIRAioXAKCnd0HUE7Hky2mwtTCObAzCaZjpnACfYJ3X z2AfvLzPoPVdztl0X/QJ+a4= =P2gy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27 Sep 2006, at 17:01, Justizin wrote: Will they slave a zone these days? ;) On 9/27/06, Chris Withers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: If DNS is a bottleneck I volunteer to host the zope.org zone on my colocated servers (ns1.dataflake.org as primary, ns1.zetwork.com as secondary). The data center they are in (in Richmond/VA) has redundant internet connectivity and a sterling uptime record for their network. I can do the same using rackspace's DNS servers... If Chris runs a name server then Rackspace doesn't have any influence on Chris' decision to use it as a slave for someone else... jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFGpVZRAx5nvEhZLIRAmKRAJ0f4fkxfHy1xnfeQUZT4jW2Ao/DDgCfa8JF H6uK9v3NOIrJ6JeEq02Tcl0= =gkji -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: [ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Sep 2006, at 17:39, Martijn Faassen wrote: Andrew Sawyers wrote: Yeah, definitely. And if we go with that tool I volunteer to be hooked up as a secondary. As do I . All this DNS volunteering is great! Unfortunately, I'm a bit at a loss on how to proceed, as I'm not very familiar with DNS issues. The way it works is this: - - the owner/admin for the domain changes the domain name servers assigned for this domain through the registrar that holds the domain. This can normally be done using a web interface at the registrar. Someone at ZC must do this, and he needs a IP/hostname for the primary DNS server and IPs/hostnames for secondaries - - The zone data is pulled from the old servers and entered into the new primary. This zone data must reflect the new DNS primary/ secondaries. Whenever the primary is updated, it will contact all the secondaries it knows about automatically and ask them to reload the data. - - The secondaries need to have their configuration changed so that they know they are secondaries for zope.org. They also need to know the IP of the primary. They will then automatically fetch zone data from the primary. Apart from the first step this is quick and easy to do. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFGUs7RAx5nvEhZLIRAqnXAJ9DEh9Xwu0lOWz1bnN7wZsfa3YnrACgs7mQ ShgewVqAuoT7G+RE+JFy+UY= =ECBK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: [ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Sep 2006, at 17:48, Justizin wrote: Well, since I don't know about the suggested provider, here's my concern - let's say I manage your DNS on my servers, and you want to provide your own local servers. How do you get a copy of the latest zone? Your IP must be listed in my server so that it is allowd to perform AXFR queries. Do you know how DNS works? Slaves don't just ask for a transfer willy- nilly. Slaves are known to the primary and they get told when to ask. They will also probably provide us with 3-4 hosts which we can use for DNS. If You, me, and one other person each contribute two IP addresses on different network, that puts the zope.org zone in pretty good shape, because various caching nameservers will handle the trouble of determining which authoritative record is best for them to use. DNS may seem like a low-load service, but if you were to run a DNS provider yourself on a single machine, I challenge you to maintain 90% uptime. The last time I worked on a large DNS implementation we had twelve machines in each of two geographic locations - dual xeon machines with lots of RAM that did nothing but handle round-robin DNS queries. I have no idea what you are talking about. This is not some huge DNS service that we need. We need to serve exactly one zone. This can be done from a Palm Pilot, to be honest. I have run DNS services for years and years and don't share any of your doubts. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFGU16RAx5nvEhZLIRAgXmAKCJ9Ll0OvlJoLZ5v6NlblOzDP2VQACgnpwr sIHCUp37OQhySlIiXvke1yU= =qUDs -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: [ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:17, Lennart Regebro wrote: I don't understand what you are debating, really. Could you clarify? This is about propagating data from the primary DNS server (which would be that service Andrew suggested) to the databases held on the secondary DNS servers. It is a fully automatic process, under normal circumstances. There's also the question how many secondary servers we need, or how much DNS serving capacity. Most normal domains have one primary and one secondary server. I suggest one primary and two secondaries. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFGVOVRAx5nvEhZLIRAhWPAJ9R9WrFAiNEcgK3u3F9c+IwnN2tnwCguQ+7 oA/+CTShfimLvPbwaKLMT0s= =V798 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: [ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:20, Justizin wrote: (a) ZoneEdit probably has more zones than Rackspace, which is classified in Texas as a Small Business. ZoneEdit is well known enough that a handful of people on this small mailing list know of it. People don't quite always target Rackspace, they often targetted specific Rackspace customers. Someone might target ZoneEdit. I meant specifically zope.org as the target for attack, not ZoneEdit. Even if ZoneEdit is targeted, two secondaries is still enough. (b) None of this matters because three of us offered to host slaves! Why are you arguing against doing something you volunteered to do? I'm not. I'm arguing against the higher number of secondaries that you suggested earlier. Two secondaries is enough. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFGVShRAx5nvEhZLIRAv1zAJ4hD5Q9btzrcAlWeBvLm5g8i+5/3QCgkZRD icsUHJw7pgxNqBFmgZu/+5U= =Z6RD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: Zope.org DNS ( was Re: [ZWeb] http://namespaces.zope.org/zope )
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Sep 2006, at 18:51, Lennart Regebro wrote: On 9/26/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not. I'm arguing against the higher number of secondaries that you suggested earlier. Two secondaries is enough. I'm guessing that's fine too. I haven't had any problems for four years, as mentioned, and i don't have secondaries, cuz I'm too lazy. :-) Now I know where to point *my* DNS DOS scripts ;) jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFGVuMRAx5nvEhZLIRAp7lAJ9eU6engpGy0UBg3ede2WUIkcr3MQCfSgSb M+1zd0VvYZ6vX4dTWiINsMA= =WKBe -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25 Sep 2006, at 15:39, Andrew Sawyers wrote: Read what I wrote. :) I read what you wrote and I do not think it is trivial. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFF93tRAx5nvEhZLIRAuViAJ4v8D1spzt/OljuYrIkDKL00uYa0gCfcuEN n2eTcE2Sp2ldBJ50sDirviM= =JQO3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: the maintenance of change logs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23 Sep 2006, at 20:38, Simon Michael wrote: Incidentally I'd like to float the idea of moving zopewiki to (some incarnation of) zope.org. Eg put it at zope.org/wiki and merge the links from http://www.zope.org/Wikis/FrontPage . A zwiki product upgrade would be needed. I'm cc'ing the websites group/list (and tried to set followup-to there, but I use gmane so we'll see what happens..) +1 on the idea, it wouldn't even have to be in the same Zope instance, rewrite rules can do the stitching-in. I'd assume this is more of a foundation decision, though? jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFFYVCRAx5nvEhZLIRAnA6AJ9UpOp1dt+XN2NtbO36Oi1i54Gd9gCfbw/E 2/5vyGjmi2p9qkYwcnng+sI= =VHyq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Sep 2006, at 10:26, Martijn Faassen wrote: o Trading in having the space on the sides for less control over all page layouts. I'm going for functional control in this case over a prettier layout. o The current page is laid out to work on 800 x 600 and above. Most people will view the site at 1024 x 786 or 800 x 600 and not see large gaps on the side. Is 800x600 that common these days? It is very common to have users who will see scrollbars with fixed 1024 width designs. Including me on the 12 iBook. One reason I normally hate fixed width designs with a passion is because I get scrollbars, most designs seem to be fixed for 1024 pixel screens. Here's an example of a fixed width design that was fixed at a width too big for my screen: http://www.zope.de/ I can't stand it. Tom made a wise choice. And please don't add columns to make it wider. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE++muRAx5nvEhZLIRAgdIAJ4gQLBm6En/w9/qUY63sYzNP+IGDQCffN+f 3btNoafiD2ygpxScBYFK5ns= =AlIA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 4 Sep 2006, at 11:01, Martijn Faassen wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: o The simple nature of the site means a thinner page is more appropriate. Most of the content will be text that is easier to read the less wide the page is. This is not some multi column news site that has multiple content boxes. My intent with this layout round was not to create a layout for just the Zope Foundation site, but for it to work for the Zope site as a whole (eventually; we'll take this step by step, where the ZF site is the first step). Some room for content boxes would therefore be nice, though I expect it wouldn't be used on every page. I don't know whether that will change anything in your thinking about the layout, I just wanted to be clear that we're not just working on the Zope Foundation site here - that's just the first stage. An alternative would be to have separate designs for Foundation and the rest of the site. Anyone have opinions on whether this is a good or bad idea? I was under the impression that the two were separate and we were trying to decide on a design for the foundation first, because that site should be up ASAP. I fear if we try to come up with a design for both we'll end up in analysis paralysis again. +1 for a separate foundation site design in the interest of getting the site *done*. Whether that same design ends up on zope.org as a whole is a decision we could take later. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE+/ubRAx5nvEhZLIRAq6zAJ9iirqoULew9wrD/YsNGwOvT/jlOwCeMAip W0ISciS5//2QUyOtzu4sIH8= =/n8w -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2 Sep 2006, at 14:38, Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope Please let me know of any bugs and what your browsers/os setup is. Works without any visible flaws under Safari and OmniWeb and looks very nice, clear and simple. Perfect for a site that is mostly static such as the foundation site. If it were up to me I'd stop any further niggling unless there are serious problems with popular browsers and just run with the dang thing. I fully agree with Tom's previous point that every time we have some kind of new design for site X discussion it's all going round in circles and then just dies off. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE+sCeRAx5nvEhZLIRAh43AJ99ue7JQBW4wZylFahTiBShn2jY+QCfSYpI Yk015jACz8ux+fGH0UgHV7w= =JC69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org portal_catalog queue hanging
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28 Aug 2006, at 13:22, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: The Zope.org portal_catalog queue is hanging again There was a stale lockfile again, and there's no obvious warning (and not even a working event log) for the instance that handles it. I have also changed the catalog configuration to immediately catalog everything that is not a TextIndex. There's no sane reason to wait with cataloging for indices that are either fast to catalog or relevant to security (allowedRolesAndUsers). jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE8tUoRAx5nvEhZLIRAtxtAJ9pjCFk2dMZQ6VT2f1NglcqtlqtsACggk5w fww/KRYPxUyEVYHCfsPr+PA= =GQLD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: website design discussion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Aug 2006, at 15:57, Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://modscape.com/zope New Foundation page. Try the nav. Only tested on Firefox/Mac so far. Looks and works nice on Safari as well. Should be easy to take that and fill it, even with just static content, to have a great-looking site. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFE8FS1RAx5nvEhZLIRAmj5AJ402WtGZozIn5flAwfFzz8TV2yUVACffBVK 11fOY/Oq6bSokcfYgo+qBtY= =tWOd -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
On 23 Aug 2006, at 12:57, Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://modscape.com/zope I added Design 2. I like it much better than Design 1. I think we should work off of Design 2 Thoughts? My vote is for Design 1. IMHO Design 2 gives me this gut feeling of a site that wants to be overly flashy or fashionable. It looks less business-like. I perceive design 1 as cleaner, the different boxes and content areas are more delineated as well. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Zope.org QueuedCatalog
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 26 Jul 2006, at 09:39, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: I had to process the queue by hand a few times today, think it is the cronjob after all. I'll send a mail to sysadmin. Do you have an idea how that job is run and on what machines? I'm at ZC now and I can ask them to give me access. Sorry no, you'll have to check with [EMAIL PROTECTED] I found it. What a mess. There was a lock file in the way for the queue flusher. I cannot even figure out where that instance logs to so the diagnosis is simpler next time. That whole setup needs to go into the trash. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEx3eFRAx5nvEhZLIRAioLAJ0VeoQURbnu3vmdm3PRnRK0Ww5ujgCeJOqC 16t8XS2/zo/ld6ODFY3Oxjk= =rueP -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Collector spam
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12 May 2006, at 09:12, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: /!\ Current spam activities force a change in Collector security- policy: You need to be logged into your zope.org account to add issues and comment on existing issues Is this a statement or a proposal? ;) To be honest, having been on the receiving end of collector spam very often myself on my own site I think it is a _good idea_ to prevent anything becoming visible that anonymous users (or bots) type into web forms. There are many ways to go about it, and for zope.org it would probably be a good idea to say you need an account and you must log in. On the other hand many people will argue that this creates an obstacle and raises the bar for people who might be helpful by providing feedback, yet can't be asked to log in. This argument has always seemed unsolveable for me. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEZEmXRAx5nvEhZLIRAsnYAKCL6YXhxpcAdhIW2U4MA34Y7RMqwwCfZoee wUCFzZB2tNLPYf9yF3alWcI= =/Rzo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option. http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa - -1 on Forums. There is no good forum software around for Zope which is fast and won't bog down the server, and it introduces a big software maintenance/editorial burden. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEInMhRAx5nvEhZLIRAjcJAJ0X/YpMIYwWStV3UA9oasJRbCeqRwCgho5M 48wFFJHkpIBsjalb7FGQX14= =t+6u -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Mar 2006, at 07:48, Chris Withers wrote: Yeah, I'm well aware of that. But release space for software and addition of news is about all zope.org is currently used for. I think this is an important use case to cater for in the future... *bzz* DENIED This might be an important use case, but it is out of the scope for the new zope.org setup. The new setup is specifically targeted at not being a free-for-all community playground anymore. One of the reasons why the old site is getting worse every day is loads of outdated and sometimes plain bad documents and products that no one cares for anymore. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEH9FCRAx5nvEhZLIRApA5AKCSFehWlO6R06TeV63E8Q+0Wpfa6ACeMRdW pM+r+g1yxOoWrW4u+UNfnoI= =PerW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Mar 2006, at 10:13, Chris Withers wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: This might be an important use case, but it is out of the scope for the new zope.org setup. The new setup is specifically targeted at not being a free-for-all community playground anymore. One of the reasons why the old site is getting worse every day is loads of outdated and sometimes plain bad documents and products that no one cares for anymore. So how are people supposed to publish news items? Where are they supposed to release software? How are people coming to Zope supposed to find products they want to use? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for limiting scope a lot, but if we're not catering for these basic needs, then what's the point of having the site at all? Instead of re-hashing stuff for the umpteenth time, please check in the list archives. These discussions were held several times now. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEH9IURAx5nvEhZLIRAu6zAJ9wwxx3gYvrgi4RfVAf+FR2fIi7HwCfQFtC iGfPb5F8h2+1ISQiMpqLBV8= =gc2I -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] me too. so what to do ?
On 1 Mar 2006, at 23:45, Geoff Davis wrote: The issues I am more concerned about are the social / political ones. The signature issue is interesting, but probably surmountable -- all Plone contributors are required to sign a contributor agreement. But don't forget - this agreement is with what many people perceive as big bad Zope Corporation... I know quite a few people who would not sign it because they are paranoid about ZC. 1) If the Plone community were to be good Zope citizens and come up with some volunteers and code for an improved, interim zope.org site, would ZC approve? This is up for ZC to decide. If I was at ZC I would support it as long as a committed and capable subset of the Plone community (not Joe Shmoe off the street, but credible people) is willing to support the Plone side (meaning anything above CMF) 100%. 2) Could we get support from others in the Zope community for infrastructure _not_ related to Plone? I'm one of the people with a login, and I'm willing to support anything up to and including CMF. 3) Could we arrange a reasonable division of labor for systems administration so that things can get done? I'm sure this can be done with ZC cooperation. Personally, I'm in favor of more rather than less central control when it comes to systems administration. If you have many people who are supposed to be responsible then you either have all of them falling over each other when a problem occurs, or no one shows up because the assumption is that another person will pick it up. I guess basically I'm saying if you want to do it, then do it right, otherwise it's not worth the effort. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
