Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I don't expect other people for me to fix this for me, but I suggest that this be noted somewhere where it can be seen, because ZEO is quite important for us running larger sites. I would say ZEO is essential for all serious Zope work. I have to admit to being pretty suprised that neither Jim or Stefan have bumped into this... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-checkins] SVN: Zope3/trunk/src/zope/testbrowser/ fix bug caused be impedance mis-match between Mechanize and zope.testbrowser
Stephan Richter wrote: I hope it would have sometimes a ? in them, since this is a totally valid character. also : will be in 90% of the URLs. The idea here is that we want to support those silly apple URLs. OK, I guess my point was that there's a perfectly good library function that does this, and supports marking certain characters (suchs as ':') as safe if you want them to be, so I'm curious as to why we're growing our own warts? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-checkins] SVN: Zope3/trunk/src/zope/testbrowser/ fix bug caused be impedance mis-match between Mechanize and zope.testbrowser
On Friday 09 December 2005 06:09, Chris Withers wrote: OK, I guess my point was that there's a perfectly good library function that does this, and supports marking certain characters (suchs as ':') as safe if you want them to be, so I'm curious as to why we're growing our own warts? Because we really just want to convert this one character; in this case it is much easier to write your own function. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] Re: Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 04:21, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: Christian has an important point here: There was neither a proposal for the introduction of WSGI features, nor the zope.publisher refactoring nor the Twisted integration. WSGI was implemented before we switched back to proposal-based development and Twisted integration was discussed many years in advance; it was long agreed that it should be done, but nobody ever got around to it. For the publisher Jim already apologized. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 06:02, Chris Withers wrote: Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I don't expect other people for me to fix this for me, but I suggest that this be noted somewhere where it can be seen, because ZEO is quite important for us running larger sites. I would say ZEO is essential for all serious Zope work. I have to admit to being pretty suprised that neither Jim or Stefan have bumped into this... SchoolTool does not use ZEO, the installations are quite small, i.e. for schools with at most 5000 students. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope3-checkins] SVN: Zope3/trunk/src/zope/testbrowser/ fix bug caused be impedance mis-match between Mechanize and zope.testbrowser
Chris Withers wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: I hope it would have sometimes a ? in them, since this is a totally valid character. also : will be in 90% of the URLs. True. The idea here is that we want to support those silly apple URLs. Not really sure what that's about. Joke? OK, I guess my point was that there's a perfectly good library function that does this, and supports marking certain characters (suchs as ':') as safe if you want them to be, so I'm curious as to why we're growing our own warts? In this case we'd have to mark all characters but the space as safe. This isn't the normal type of URI quoting issue, this problem arises because nothing else in the call chain quotes the spaces (Mechanize or urllib) because they don't need to, but HTTPCaller does a .split() on the first line of the request so there can be no unexpected spaces. Any other character is acceptable. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 09 December 2005 06:02, Chris Withers wrote: Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: I don't expect other people for me to fix this for me, but I suggest that this be noted somewhere where it can be seen, because ZEO is quite important for us running larger sites. I would say ZEO is essential for all serious Zope work. I have to admit to being pretty suprised that neither Jim or Stefan have bumped into this... SchoolTool does not use ZEO, the installations are quite small, i.e. for schools with at most 5000 students. OK. I fail to get your point, though (and I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything rude here). /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 04:47, Christian Theune wrote: I think this is two things: visibility and having more people look at large projects like the twisted integration. I think Stephan did a great Job (at least AFAIK he was the one doing the twisted integration, right?) but I haven't found a single proposal about doing that integration and I haven't found any documentation how the integration works either. First, Michael Kerrin put in far more time than me, maybe about 10 times more. Next, the twisted integration, from an HTTP point of view, was actually zero intrusive to Zope itself. We had switched to WSGI before, so twisted is just another server. WSGI, though not perfect, is a wonderful interface that cleanly separates server from application. I think the Zope 2 world regularly blurs this boundary and we need to make sure we are making the boundary crisp again. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 04:47, Christian Theune wrote: At last I think we should try to continue having good documentation in the code that documents what is happening. This doesn't necessarily have to be doctests (good if it is) but provide some information for people who visit the code. I think this would be a good place to move information/documentation to that gets removed from the project area. Note that zope.app.twisted is fully tested. The tests document quite a bit of what is happening. What else do you want (without writing user-level documentation)? Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 04:47, Christian Theune wrote: Additionally I think we should clean up the Zope 3 project area a bit and try harder to keep it up to date and manageable. This might include reducing the amount of information to be able to keep it up to date. I'm willing to put work in there. Go Christian! Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 04:21, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: I do have a good feeling that the structures that will be provided by the Zope Foundation will help us (not solve the problem on their own, but be supportive). I don't think we neither need the ZF for this nor should we need it. I think it has been understood by everyone that the ZF shouldn't dictate development issues. We have technical popes for that :). +1 Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
On Friday 09 December 2005 07:59, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: SchoolTool does not use ZEO, the installations are quite small, i.e. for schools with at most 5000 students. OK. I fail to get your point, though (and I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything rude here). All I was saying is that SchoolTool is serious Zope 3 work and we are not using ZEO. You asserted that all serious Zope work would use ZEO. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 09 December 2005 07:59, Dario Lopez-Kästen wrote: SchoolTool does not use ZEO, the installations are quite small, i.e. for schools with at most 5000 students. OK. I fail to get your point, though (and I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything rude here). All I was saying is that SchoolTool is serious Zope 3 work and we are not using ZEO. You asserted that all serious Zope work would use ZEO. I did? I thought all I asked for was for ZEO-bits not to be forgotten in the flurr of development activity. Obviously that was a mistake, because I now find myself in counter-example-territory. Good for SchoolTool to be able to not use ZEO. I know my apps would not have been able to be succesfull without ZEO. I am sorry if I offended someone. /dario -- -- --- Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems Services Chalmers University of Tech. Lyrics applied to programming application design: emancipate yourself from mental slavery - redemption song, b. marley ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] RE: Zope3-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 25 Message: 11
Message: 11 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 08:25:48 -0500 From: Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] Twisted Publisher and Zope 2 To: Dario Lopez-K?sten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: zope3-dev@zope.org \(E-mail\) zope3-dev@zope.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 9, 2005, at 8:11 AM, Dario Lopez-Kdsten wrote: ... all I asked for was for ZEO-bits not to be forgotten in the flurr of development activity. Obviously that was a mistake, because I now find myself in counter-example-territory. Hi Dario. No need to worry: ZEO is essential to ZC, to Jim, and to many others. Also, as I'm sure you have read, Jim has announced in this thread that he is working on it. Gary I think that Z3 framework must have mecanism of load balancing and clustering, if in futhur it would like to develop criticals applications. Now if it would this, the licence if expensif. Also, OQL in Z3 would be a grat step on other technologies. thank ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Locale-specific Text Collation
On Friday 09 December 2005 08:58, Jim Fulton wrote: A proposal to address this problem is here: http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/LocaleSpecificTextCollation Comments are welcome. +1 as said on IRC. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] Load Balancing
Fabrice Monaco wrote: I think that Z3 framework must have mecanism of load balancing and clustering, if in futhur it would like to develop criticals applications. Now if it would this, the licence if expensif. Repeat to yourself: Zope 3 is not a load balancer, Zope 3 is not a load balancer, Zope 3 is not a load balancer. Zope can be happilly load balanced behind load balancers already, LVS, Pound, Alteon and Netscalar spring to mind as ones I know of, but I know very little about any of them. Zope itself has ZEO to allow you to put together clusters of machines. This has one or two issues in Zope 3, as I understand it, but they are being worked on. I have no idea what license you're talking about... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] OQL
Fabrice Monaco wrote: Also, OQL in Z3 would be a grat step on other technologies. I'm sure if you provided funding, someone would be happy to to develop this for you. If you have no funding to offer, perhaps you could look at developing it yourself and feeding it back to the Zope community? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] RFC: Locale-specific Text Collation
Jim Fulton wrote: A proposal to address this problem is here: http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/LocaleSpecificTextCollation Comments are welcome. +1 -- Dmitry Vasiliev (dima at hlabs.spb.ru) http://hlabs.spb.ru ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Zope3-dev] RE: OQL
I must perpare the migration of all applications in zope2 to zope3. it is the moment to decide if I contiue in technology zope3/python or another technology example : or Linux/Apache/Python/Postgress is nice... with Firefox+Xul or Windows/ASP.net c# http://www.dotnetnuke.com/ I am thus not wedged -Original Message- From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vendredi 9 décembre 2005 15:22 To: Fabrice Monaco Cc: zope3-dev@zope.org Subject: OQL Fabrice Monaco wrote: Also, OQL in Z3 would be a grat step on other technologies. I'm sure if you provided funding, someone would be happy to to develop this for you. If you have no funding to offer, perhaps you could look at developing it yourself and feeding it back to the Zope community? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: Load Balancing
Fabrice Monaco wrote: http://www.zope.com/products/zope_replication_services.html ZRS provides none of the services you mentioned. It *does* provide database replication. Jim -Original Message- From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vendredi 9 décembre 2005 15:21 To: Fabrice Monaco Cc: zope3-dev@zope.org Subject: Load Balancing Fabrice Monaco wrote: I think that Z3 framework must have mecanism of load balancing and clustering, if in futhur it would like to develop criticals applications. Now if it would this, the licence if expensif. Repeat to yourself: Zope 3 is not a load balancer, Zope 3 is not a load balancer, Zope 3 is not a load balancer. Zope can be happilly load balanced behind load balancers already, LVS, Pound, Alteon and Netscalar spring to mind as ones I know of, but I know very little about any of them. Zope itself has ZEO to allow you to put together clusters of machines. This has one or two issues in Zope 3, as I understand it, but they are being worked on. I have no idea what license you're talking about... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/jim%40zope.com -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
RE: [Zope3-dev] RE: Load Balancing
yes, but is necassary for clustering -Original Message- From: Jim Fulton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vendredi 9 décembre 2005 15:47 To: Fabrice Monaco Cc: Chris Withers; zope3-dev@zope.org Subject: Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: Load Balancing Fabrice Monaco wrote: http://www.zope.com/products/zope_replication_services.html ZRS provides none of the services you mentioned. It *does* provide database replication. Jim -Original Message- From: Chris Withers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: vendredi 9 décembre 2005 15:21 To: Fabrice Monaco Cc: zope3-dev@zope.org Subject: Load Balancing Fabrice Monaco wrote: I think that Z3 framework must have mecanism of load balancing and clustering, if in futhur it would like to develop criticals applications. Now if it would this, the licence if expensif. Repeat to yourself: Zope 3 is not a load balancer, Zope 3 is not a load balancer, Zope 3 is not a load balancer. Zope can be happilly load balanced behind load balancers already, LVS, Pound, Alteon and Netscalar spring to mind as ones I know of, but I know very little about any of them. Zope itself has ZEO to allow you to put together clusters of machines. This has one or two issues in Zope 3, as I understand it, but they are being worked on. I have no idea what license you're talking about... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/jim%40zope.com -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: Load Balancing
Fabrice Monaco wrote: yes, but is necassary for clustering That depends on your application. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: OQL
Fabrice Monaco wrote: I must perpare the migration of all applications in zope2 to zope3. it is the moment to decide if I contiue in technology zope3/python or another technology example : or Linux/Apache/Python/Postgress is nice... with Firefox+Xul or Windows/ASP.net c# http://www.dotnetnuke.com/ I am thus not wedged Cool, I wholeheartedly urge you to move to one of these other platforms, and quit pestering these mailing lists with your insistence on replying to digests and your inability to reply in the context of the mail you're replying to... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] RE: Load Balancing
Fabrice Monaco wrote: yes, but is necassary for clustering No it isn't. A cluster of ZEO clients can run quite happilly of a storage server, and you can keep a 1hr-hot backup of the storage server with no need for ZRS. There's also DirectoryStorage and rsync. Or you could even have two totally seperate setups where content is replicated at the application level. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
