Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-28 Thread Hermann Himmelbauer
Am Donnerstag, 27. März 2008 18:26 schrieb Kurt Zitze: if you want to raise the userbase of zope, the first and most obvious thing to do is, get a forum running! mailing lists are bu*** and completly out of date. it is max cumbersome to login into your email account to do a post and so on,

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-28 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:38:06PM -0400, Benji York wrote: Kurt Zitze wrote: if you want to raise the userbase of zope, the first and most obvious thing to do is, get a forum running! mailing lists are bu*** and completly out of date. it is max cumbersome to login into your email account

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-28 Thread Chris Withers
Marius Gedminas wrote: how bout a zope3 page on myspace?lol Just write a Facebook app that interacts with the list archives ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-28 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Chris Shenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Kudos to the Grok team for such a pleasant product, and for some REALLY good tutorials. Thanks! Thanks for the kudos! I hope to see you on grok-dev if you aren't there already! Regards, Martijn

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-28 Thread Martin Aspeli
Chris Shenton wrote: Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the rest of your rant, I agree that the beginner experience for Zope 3 is suboptimal. Work is slowly progressing towards a new website for Zope. As an alternative you might like to look at Grok (grok.zope.org), which is based on

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-28 Thread Martin Aspeli
Hermann Himmelbauer wrote: Am Donnerstag, 27. März 2008 18:26 schrieb Kurt Zitze: if you want to raise the userbase of zope, the first and most obvious thing to do is, get a forum running! mailing lists are bu*** and completly out of date. it is max cumbersome to login into your email

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-28 Thread Kevin Teague
Nabble provides a web forum bridge to the mailing lists. I use both the mailing list and the forums, depending on which forum/computer I'm using at the time. Here are the links: http://www.nabble.com/Zope-f6706.html http://www.nabble.com/Grok-f28342.html We've also embedded the Grok-Nabble

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-27 Thread Benji York
Kurt Zitze wrote: if you want to raise the userbase of zope, the first and most obvious thing to do is, get a forum running! mailing lists are bu*** and completly out of date. it is max cumbersome to login into your email account to do a post and so on, i think i dont need to enumerate all

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-27 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] From your argument about cumbersone logins to mail accounts it appears you dislike mailing lists because you use some free web-based email provider. Well, get a real email account and use it with a real

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-03-27 Thread Martin Aspeli
Kurt Zitze wrote: if you want to raise the userbase of zope, the first and most obvious thing to do is, get a forum running! mailing lists are bu*** and completly out of date. it is max cumbersome to login into your email account to do a post and so on, i think i dont need to enumerate all

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-03 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 05:26:14PM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: Marius Gedminas wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:06:48AM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: I typed four more paragraphs full of markety stuff here but deleted them. *cheers* I'll take that as STFU ;-) It wasn't intended that

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-02 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 11:52 PM, Martin Aspeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. Right - thanks Martijn for spilling the beans

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey,. On Feb 1, 2008 4:09 PM, David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] It might be nice for the marketing of zope to give each set of eggs a nice name. Just using familiar mozilla names as an illustration, see how nice zope-thunderbird or zope-firefox look. So do away with the kgs in the

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 01 February 2008, Chris McDonough wrote: If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver release a name other than Zope. Well, we had to do the classic Zope 3 release at least one more

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
Tom Hoffman wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll take a risk by stating the obvious. If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver release a name

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Jim Fulton
On Feb 1, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: Tom Hoffman wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Chris McDonough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll take a risk by stating the obvious. If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Stephan Richter
Not responding to anyone in particular: I see there are plenty people with opinions. I would love not to do the Zope 3 releases anymore! I am tired of the endless discussions. Think I am frustrated? Absolutely! All the suggestions made here require more work, more manpower. But there is

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Chris McDonough wrote: If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver release a name other than Zope. Well, we had to do the classic Zope 3

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread David Pratt
Hi Martijn. I am familiar with grok and the fun and welcoming community you have created. With the perspective I have suggested, releases are only sets with different names giving meaning to each set for developer groups. As a project, grok is currently pinning eggs but can also provide a kgs

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
I'll take a risk by stating the obvious. If there will continue to be a release schedule for Zope 3, the appserver It would reduce confusion to new users greatly to give the appserver release a name other than Zope. Eg. Current name Proposed name

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 6:04 PM, Christophe Combelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] The transition seems now achieved and the most important thing is to have a dedicated web site with clear information, so that there are new users, and new contributors. When someone goes to the zope.org

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 6:11 PM, Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. I don't know how it's been setup, but if you want to join I'm sure Martin Aspeli can

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Christophe Combelles
Stephan Richter a écrit : Not responding to anyone in particular: I see there are plenty people with opinions. I would love not to do the Zope 3 releases anymore! I am tired of the endless discussions. Think I am frustrated? Absolutely! All the suggestions made here require more work, more

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Stephan Richter
On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter Web Software Design, Development and Training Google me. Zope Stephan Richter

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:06:48AM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: I typed four more paragraphs full of markety stuff here but deleted them. *cheers* Marius Gedminas -- The clothes have no emperor. -- C.A.R. Hoare, commenting on ADA. signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: [Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hey, On Feb 1, 2008 8:59 PM, Paul Carduner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I think the website is one of the huge impediments to joining the Zope community. When you compare zope.org to all the other web framework websites like django, turbogears, and RoR, it is pretty clear why people

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Chris McDonough
I'll take that as STFU ;-) Got it. - C Marius Gedminas wrote: On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 11:06:48AM -0500, Chris McDonough wrote: I typed four more paragraphs full of markety stuff here but deleted them. *cheers* Marius Gedminas

[Zope3-Users] Re: [Zope-dev] Zope 3.4.0 candidate 1 Released

2008-02-01 Thread Martin Aspeli
Stephan Richter wrote: On Friday 01 February 2008, Martijn Faassen wrote: http://www.openplans.org/projects/zorg-redux This project does not seem to be public. Right - thanks Martijn for spilling the beans prematurely. ;-) We haven't wanted to make too much of a splash about this until we