Dear all, I can tell you my real experience with APNIC, when I want to transfer my unused IP ranges to a Singapore based ISP from my account, they deny it!! That is ridiculous! They said I cannot transfer! I cannot believe it if the IP address I owned but I cannot transfer it to a new owner.
Can anyone tell me who has the same experience? Ernest Tse Sent from Mobile > David Hilario <[email protected]> 於 2017年2月25日 12:24 寫道： > > > Hi, > > The justification for the needs was/is great to have in place to protect a > free pool of scarce resources. > > Maintaining a correct registry, with the proper information is one of the > core responsibilities of the RIRs, and as a community we must develop > policies that allows the RIR to do that job in the most easy and convenient > manner, no need would enable that for APNIIC, their time can then be spent on > other things. > > Unused resources, ideally should be returned to the free pool, but that > almost never happen voluntarily, they will instead be transferred, or even > simply assigned or sub-allocated, no real big difference here, just different > values in the Database and different real world contracts, some Database > editing you can do yourself, others you need to ask your RIR for assistance. > > Resources that get transferred are not issued by the RIR from their free > pool, they are already out there, I do not see any positive impact if APNIC > rejects a transfer because the recipient cannot justify the whole prefix to > be transferred. > > It will not increase the free pool available at APNIC. > It may as well cancel the whole transfer. > If initially rejected and further information is needed, it delays what is a > very sensitive process, where both the offering and receiving party wants the > whole process rounded up as fast as possible. > > RIPE region has had the "no need policy" in place for years, I don't believe > any sign of massive hoarding for speculative purpose is visible over there > (Multiple membership process gets abused, but that is another issue > altogether). > Large transfers were made, and you do not need to have access to any stats to > know those organisations needed that space, justifying large allocations can > be extremely time consuming and ultimately detrimental to the overall LIR's > business. > > > David Hilario > > IP Manager > > Larus Cloud Service Limited > > p: +852 29888918 m: +359 89 764 1784 > f: +852 29888068 > a: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR > w: laruscloudservice.net/uk > e: [email protected] > > >> On 25 February 2017 at 02:03, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: >> I disagree… >> >> I believe that needs testing still preserves the idea of distributing >> addresses to those with need even in a post-exhaustion world. >> >> This serves to discourage speculative transactions and other transfers to >> those not actually needing addresses which would only drive prices up and >> not provide any benefit to the community. >> >> Owen >> >>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 08:32 , Pacswitch Email <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I agreed that APNIC should accept all transfer without question because IP >>> resource could be count into a assets to the IP holder in accounting. >>> That's mean the ip holder have the right to request transfer to or from >>> other APNIC members or other RIR. >>> >>> Ernest Tse >>> >>> Sent from Mobile >>> >>>> David Hilario <[email protected]> 於 2017年2月24日 22:04 寫道： >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Aftab, >>>> >>>> This is only to simplify things, need based policies are there to protect >>>> the free pool from exhaustion and ensure fair distribution. >>>> >>>> Space that is already out there can already be transferred without much >>>> hassle, removing the need base justification just simplifies the whole >>>> process, making the transfer faster and smoother. >>>> >>>> >>>> David Hilario >>>> >>>> IP Manager >>>> >>>> Larus Cloud Service Limited >>>> >>>> p: +852 29888918 m: +359 89 764 1784 >>>> f: +852 29888068 >>>> a: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR >>>> w: laruscloudservice.net/uk >>>> e: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 22 February 2017 at 10:04, Aftab Siddiqui <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Thanks Guangliang for the update. >>>>> >>>>> Hi David, what are we trying to fix? >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 at 14:13 Guangliang Pan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Aftab, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We don't have a case that rejected because the recipient could not >>>>>> demonstrate need. However, during the evaluation process, APNIC >>>>>> Hostmasters often ask for more support documents before approve large >>>>>> transfers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Guangliang >>>>>> >>>>>> ========== >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Aftab Siddiqui [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2017 12:23 AM >>>>>> To: David Hilario; Guangliang Pan >>>>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-118-v001: No need policy in APNIC region >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Guangliang, >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have any stats on rejection rate due to weak requirement >>>>>> justifications? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 at 18:34 David Hilario >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Benny, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for asking for clarifications. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This proposal is for any transfer, within in or out of region. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The need based part is only needed to match any registry requiring a >>>>>> need based justification, this can be another RIR or even an NIR. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David Hilario >>>>>> >>>>>> IP Manager >>>>>> >>>>>> Larus Cloud Service Limited >>>>>> >>>>>> p: +852 29888918 m: +359 89 764 1784 >>>>>> f: +852 29888068 >>>>>> a: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR >>>>>> w: laruscloudservice.net/uk >>>>>> e: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 21 February 2017 at 05:38, Guangliang Pan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear David, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From implementation point of view, I would like to double check if the >>>>>> following proposal will also apply to transfers within the APNIC region. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - APNIC shall accept all transfers of Internet number resources to >>>>>> its >>>>>> >>>>>> service region, provided that they comply with the policies >>>>>> relating >>>>>> >>>>>> to transfers within its service region. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Guangliang Pan (Benny) >>>>>> >>>>>> Registration Services Manager, APNIC >>>>>> >>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> SIP: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone: +61 7 3858 3188 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.apnic.net >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> * You can now call APNIC Helpdesk for free using Skype. For more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> visit: www.apnic.net/helpdesk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Hilario >>>>>> Sent: Friday, 17 February 2017 12:17 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-118-v001: No need policy in APNIC region >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear list, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We are only a few days away from the meeting in Saigon. >>>>>> >>>>>> There has been no opposition to the policy, but only very little support >>>>>> as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As the proposer of this policy I would like to know if there is interest >>>>>> in streamlining the policy a bit in order to make transfers between two >>>>>> regions more compatible, it is really more of a small patch the way I >>>>>> see it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Any opposition to it is very much welcome too, only the "positive" sides >>>>>> were really investigated and I would gladly hear any opposition to it as >>>>>> well as any support. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> David Hilario >>>>>> >>>>>> IP Manager >>>>>> >>>>>> Larus Cloud Service Limited >>>>>> >>>>>> p: +852 29888918 m: +359 89 764 1784 >>>>>> f: +852 29888068 >>>>>> a: Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR >>>>>> w: laruscloudservice.net/uk >>>>>> e: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy >>>>>> * >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> sig-policy mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Best Wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Aftab A. 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