Hi George,
My transfer was completed in 2016 with the new IP owner but we were not
used transfer method, the new owner were used merger method to complete
our transfer.
Transfer method was denied by APNIC staff. And that is not our original
transfer method idea.
The IP block are not just last 103 /8, there are also have 43 /8
Can you confirm APNIC, are there have special policy for IPv4 Transfer
between APNIC members ?
Best Regards,
Ernest Tse
Pacswitch Globe Telecom Ltd.
// Web: http://www.pacswitch.com
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On Sun, 26/02/2017 14.42, Aftab Siddiqui <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi George,
Thanks for quick response and clarification.
Again, still not sure what problem we are trying to solve? Haven't
seen a single use case.
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 at 10:02 George <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Aftab,
We are happy to share more information if we have the permission
from
the account holder. Otherwise, it is not possible for the APNIC
Secretariat to disclose individual account and request
information on
the public mailing list.
George Kuo
APNIC
On 25/2/17 10:04 pm, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
> Interesting.
>
> I hope secretariat/hostmaster can comment.
>
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 12:32 Pacswitch Email
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I can tell you my real experience with APNIC, when I want to
> transfer my unused IP ranges to a Singapore based ISP from my
> account, they deny it!! That is ridiculous! They said I cannot
> transfer! I cannot believe it if the IP address I owned
but I cannot
> transfer it to a new owner.
>
> Can anyone tell me who has the same experience?
>
> Ernest Tse
>
> Sent from Mobile
>
> David Hilario <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> 於 2017年2月25日
12:24 寫道：
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The justification for the needs was/is great to have in
place to
>> protect a free pool of scarce resources.
>>
>> Maintaining a correct registry, with the proper
information is one
>> of the core responsibilities of the RIRs, and as a
community we
>> must develop policies that allows the RIR to do that job
in the
>> most easy and convenient manner, no need would enable
that for
>> APNIIC, their time can then be spent on other things.
>>
>> Unused resources, ideally should be returned to the free
pool, but
>> that almost never happen voluntarily, they will instead be
>> transferred, or even simply assigned or sub-allocated, no
real big
>> difference here, just different values in the Database and
>> different real world contracts, some Database editing you
can do
>> yourself, others you need to ask your RIR for assistance.
>>
>> Resources that get transferred are not issued by the RIR from
>> their free pool, they are already out there, I do not see any
>> positive impact if APNIC rejects a transfer because the
recipient
>> cannot justify the whole prefix to be transferred.
>>
>> It will not increase the free pool available at APNIC.
>> It may as well cancel the whole transfer.
>> If initially rejected and further information is needed,
it delays
>> what is a very sensitive process, where both the offering and
>> receiving party wants the whole process rounded up as fast as
>> possible.
>>
>> RIPE region has had the "no need policy" in place for
years, I
>> don't believe any sign of massive hoarding for
speculative purpose
>> is visible over there (Multiple membership process gets
abused,
>> but that is another issue altogether).
>> Large transfers were made, and you do not need to have
access to
>> any stats to know those organisations needed that space,
>> justifying large allocations can be extremely time
consuming and
>> ultimately detrimental to the overall LIR's business.
>>
>>
>> David Hilario
>>
>> /IP Manager/
>>
>> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*
>>
>> p: +852 29888918 <tel:+852%202988%208918> m: +359 89 764
1784
>> <tel:+359%2089%20764%201784>
>> f:+852 29888068 <tel:+852%202988%208068>
>> a:Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen
Wan, HKSAR
>> w:laruscloudservice.net/uk
<http://laruscloudservice.net/uk> <http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>> e: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 February 2017 at 02:03, Owen DeLong
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>
>> I disagree…
>>
>> I believe that needs testing still preserves the idea of
>> distributing addresses to those with need even in a
>> post-exhaustion world.
>>
>> This serves to discourage speculative transactions
and other
>> transfers to those not actually needing addresses
which would
>> only drive prices up and not provide any benefit to
the community.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 08:32 , Pacswitch Email
>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I agreed that APNIC should accept all transfer without
>>> question because IP resource could be count into a
assets to
>>> the IP holder in accounting. That's mean the ip
holder have
>>> the right to request transfer to or from other APNIC
members
>>> or other RIR.
>>>
>>> Ernest Tse
>>>
>>> Sent from Mobile
>>>
>>> David Hilario <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> 於 2017年2月24日
>>> 22:04 寫道：
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Aftab,
>>>>
>>>> This is only to simplify things, need based
policies are
>>>> there to protect the free pool from exhaustion and
ensure
>>>> fair distribution.
>>>>
>>>> Space that is already out there can already be
transferred
>>>> without much hassle, removing the need base
justification
>>>> just simplifies the whole process, making the transfer
>>>> faster and smoother.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Hilario
>>>>
>>>> /IP Manager/
>>>>
>>>> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*
>>>>
>>>> p: +852 29888918 <tel:+852%202988%208918> m: +359
89 764
>>>> 1784 <tel:+359%2089%20764%201784>
>>>> f:+852 29888068 <tel:+852%202988%208068>
>>>> a:Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road,
Tsuen Wan,
>>>> HKSAR
>>>> w:laruscloudservice.net/uk
<http://laruscloudservice.net/uk> <http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>>>> e: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22 February 2017 at 10:04, Aftab Siddiqui
>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Guangliang for the update.
>>>>
>>>> Hi David, what are we trying to fix?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 at 14:13 Guangliang Pan
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Aftab,____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> We don't have a case that rejected because the
>>>> recipient could not demonstrate need. However,
>>>> during the evaluation process, APNIC
Hostmasters
>>>> often ask for more support documents before
approve
>>>> large transfers. ____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> Guangliang____
>>>>
>>>> ========== ____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> *From:*Aftab Siddiqui
>>>> [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>]
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 February 2017 12:23 AM
>>>> *To:* David Hilario; Guangliang Pan
>>>> *Cc:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [sig-policy] prop-118-v001:
No need
>>>> policy in APNIC region____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> Hi Guangliang,____
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any stats on rejection rate due
to weak
>>>> requirement justifications? ____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 at 18:34 David Hilario
>>>> <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>> Dear Benny,____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for asking for
clarifications. ____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> This proposal is for any transfer,
within in or
>>>> out of region.____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> The need based part is only needed to
match any
>>>> registry requiring a need based
justification,
>>>> this can be another RIR or even an NIR.____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> David Hilario____
>>>>
>>>> /IP Manager/____
>>>>
>>>> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*____
>>>>
>>>> p: +852 29888918
>>>> <tel:+852%202988%208918> m: +359 89
764 1784
>>>> <tel:+359%2089%20764%201784>
>>>> f:+852 29888068 <tel:+852%202988%208068>
>>>> a:Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi
Shing Road,
>>>> Tsuen Wan, HKSAR
>>>> w:laruscloudservice.net/uk
<http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>>>> <http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>>>> e: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> On 21 February 2017 at 05:38,
Guangliang Pan
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:____
>>>>
>>>> Dear David,____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> From implementation point of view, I
would like
>>>> to double check if the following
proposal will
>>>> also apply to transfers within the
APNIC region.____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> - APNIC shall accept all transfers of
>>>> Internet number resources to its____
>>>>
>>>> service region, provided that
they comply
>>>> with the policies relating____
>>>>
>>>> to transfers within its service
region.____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> Guangliang Pan (Benny)____
>>>>
>>>> Registration Services Manager, APNIC____
>>>>
>>>> Email: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>____
>>>>
>>>> SIP: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>____
>>>>
>>>> Phone: +61 7 3858 3188
>>>> <tel:+61%207%203858%203188>____
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apnic.net
<http://www.apnic.net/>____
>>>>
>>>>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------____
>>>>
>>>> * You can now call APNIC Helpdesk for
free using
>>>> Skype. For more information____
>>>>
>>>> visit: www.apnic.net/helpdesk
<http://www.apnic.net/helpdesk>
>>>> <http://www.apnic.net/helpdesk>____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>>
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>
[mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *David Hilario
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 February 2017 12:17 AM
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [sig-policy]
prop-118-v001: No
>>>> need policy in APNIC region____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> Dear list,____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> We are only a few days away from the
meeting in
>>>> Saigon.____
>>>>
>>>> There has been no opposition to the
policy, but
>>>> only very little support as well.____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> As the proposer of this policy I would
like to
>>>> know if there is interest in
streamlining the
>>>> policy a bit in order to make transfers
between
>>>> two regions more compatible, it is
really more
>>>> of a small patch the way I see it.____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> Any opposition to it is very much
welcome too,
>>>> only the "positive" sides were really
>>>> investigated and I would gladly hear any
>>>> opposition to it as well as any
support.____
>>>>
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> David Hilario____
>>>>
>>>> /IP Manager/____
>>>>
>>>> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*____
>>>>
>>>> p: +852 29888918
>>>> <tel:+852%202988%208918> m: +359 89
764 1784
>>>> <tel:+359%2089%20764%201784>
>>>> f:+852 29888068 <tel:+852%202988%208068>
>>>> a:Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi
Shing Road,
>>>> Tsuen Wan, HKSAR
>>>> w:laruscloudservice.net/uk
<http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>>>> <http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>>>> e: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -- ____
>>>>
>>>> Best Wishes,____
>>>>
>>>> __ __
>>>>
>>>> Aftab A. Siddiqui____
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>> Aftab A. Siddiqui
>>>>
>>>>
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>
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