Hi George,
My transfer was completed in 2016 with the new IP owner but we were not used
transfer method, the new owner were used merger method to complete our
transfer.Transfer method was denied by APNIC staff. And that is not our
original transfer method idea. The IP block are not just last 103 /8, there are
also have 43 /8
Can you confirm APNIC, are there have special policy for IPv4 Transfer between
APNIC members ?
Best Regards,
Ernest TsePacswitch Globe Telecom Ltd.// Web: http://www.pacswitch.com// Tel:
+852-21570550//Mobile: +852-62536678//Skype: codesixs
On Sun, 26/02/2017 14.42, Aftab Siddiqui <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi George,Thanks for quick response and clarification.
> Again, still not sure what problem we are trying to solve? Haven't seen a
> single use case.
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 at 10:02 George <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
>
Hi Aftab,
>
>
We are happy to share more information if we have the permission from
>
the account holder. Otherwise, it is not possible for the APNIC
>
Secretariat to disclose individual account and request information on
>
the public mailing list.
>
>
>
George Kuo
>
APNIC
>
>
On 25/2/17 10:04 pm, Aftab Siddiqui wrote:
>
> Interesting.
>
>
>
> I hope secretariat/hostmaster can comment.
>
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 at 12:32 Pacswitch Email <[email protected]
>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I can tell you my real experience with APNIC, when I want to
>
> transfer my unused IP ranges to a Singapore based ISP from my
>
> account, they deny it!! That is ridiculous! They said I cannot
>
> transfer! I cannot believe it if the IP address I owned but I cannot
>
> transfer it to a new owner.
>
>
>
> Can anyone tell me who has the same experience?
>
>
>
> Ernest Tse
>
>
>
> Sent from Mobile
>
>
>
> David Hilario <[email protected]
>
> <mailto:[email protected]>> 於 2017年2月25日 12:24 寫道：
>
>
>
>>
>
>> Hi,
>
>>
>
>> The justification for the needs was/is great to have in place to
>
>> protect a free pool of scarce resources.
>
>>
>
>> Maintaining a correct registry, with the proper information is one
>
>> of the core responsibilities of the RIRs, and as a community we
>
>> must develop policies that allows the RIR to do that job in the
>
>> most easy and convenient manner, no need would enable that for
>
>> APNIIC, their time can then be spent on other things.
>
>>
>
>> Unused resources, ideally should be returned to the free pool, but
>
>> that almost never happen voluntarily, they will instead be
>
>> transferred, or even simply assigned or sub-allocated, no real big
>
>> difference here, just different values in the Database and
>
>> different real world contracts, some Database editing you can do
>
>> yourself, others you need to ask your RIR for assistance.
>
>>
>
>> Resources that get transferred are not issued by the RIR from
>
>> their free pool, they are already out there, I do not see any
>
>> positive impact if APNIC rejects a transfer because the recipient
>
>> cannot justify the whole prefix to be transferred.
>
>>
>
>> It will not increase the free pool available at APNIC.
>
>> It may as well cancel the whole transfer.
>
>> If initially rejected and further information is needed, it delays
>
>> what is a very sensitive process, where both the offering and
>
>> receiving party wants the whole process rounded up as fast as
>
>> possible.
>
>>
>
>> RIPE region has had the "no need policy" in place for years, I
>
>> don't believe any sign of massive hoarding for speculative purpose
>
>> is visible over there (Multiple membership process gets abused,
>
>> but that is another issue altogether).
>
>> Large transfers were made, and you do not need to have access to
>
>> any stats to know those organisations needed that space,
>
>> justifying large allocations can be extremely time consuming and
>
>> ultimately detrimental to the overall LIR's business.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> David Hilario
>
>>
>
>> /IP Manager/
>
>>
>
>> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*
>
>>
>
>> p: +852 29888918 <tel:+852%202988%208918> m: +359 89 764 1784
>
>> <tel:+359%2089%20764%201784>
>
>> f:+852 29888068 <tel:+852%202988%208068>
>
>> a:Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan, HKSAR
>
>> w:laruscloudservice.net/uk <http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>
>> e: [email protected]
>
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On 25 February 2017 at 02:03, Owen DeLong <[email protected]
>
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> I disagree…
>
>>
>
>> I believe that needs testing still preserves the idea of
>
>> distributing addresses to those with need even in a
>
>> post-exhaustion world.
>
>>
>
>> This serves to discourage speculative transactions and other
>
>> transfers to those not actually needing addresses which would
>
>> only drive prices up and not provide any benefit to the community.
>
>>
>
>> Owen
>
>>
>
>>> On Feb 24, 2017, at 08:32 , Pacswitch Email
>
>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>
>>> wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>> Hello all,
>
>>>
>
>>> I agreed that APNIC should accept all transfer without
>
>>> question because IP resource could be count into a assets to
>
>>> the IP holder in accounting. That's mean the ip holder have
>
>>> the right to request transfer to or from other APNIC members
>
>>> or other RIR.
>
>>>
>
>>> Ernest Tse
>
>>>
>
>>> Sent from Mobile
>
>>>
>
>>> David Hilario <[email protected]
>
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> 於 2017年2月24日
>
>>> 22:04 寫道：
>
>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Hi Aftab,
>
>>>>
>
>>>> This is only to simplify things, need based policies are
>
>>>> there to protect the free pool from exhaustion and ensure
>
>>>> fair distribution.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Space that is already out there can already be transferred
>
>>>> without much hassle, removing the need base justification
>
>>>> just simplifies the whole process, making the transfer
>
>>>> faster and smoother.
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> David Hilario
>
>>>>
>
>>>> /IP Manager/
>
>>>>
>
>>>> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*
>
>>>>
>
>>>> p: +852 29888918 <tel:+852%202988%208918> m: +359 89 764
>
>>>> 1784 <tel:+359%2089%20764%201784>
>
>>>> f:+852 29888068 <tel:+852%202988%208068>
>
>>>> a:Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road, Tsuen Wan,
>
>>>> HKSAR
>
>>>> w:laruscloudservice.net/uk <http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>
>>>> e: [email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On 22 February 2017 at 10:04, Aftab Siddiqui
>
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>
>>>> wrote:
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Thanks Guangliang for the update.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Hi David, what are we trying to fix?
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 at 14:13 Guangliang Pan
>
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Hi Aftab,____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> We don't have a case that rejected because the
>
>>>> recipient could not demonstrate need. However,
>
>>>> during the evaluation process, APNIC Hostmasters
>
>>>> often ask for more support documents before approve
>
>>>> large transfers. ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Kind regards,____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Guangliang____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ========== ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> *From:*Aftab Siddiqui
>
>>>> [mailto:[email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>]
>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 February 2017 12:23 AM
>
>>>> *To:* David Hilario; Guangliang Pan
>
>>>> *Cc:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [sig-policy] prop-118-v001: No need
>
>>>> policy in APNIC region____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Hi Guangliang,____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Do you have any stats on rejection rate due to weak
>
>>>> requirement justifications? ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 at 18:34 David Hilario
>
>>>> <[email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Dear Benny,____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Thank you for asking for clarifications. ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> This proposal is for any transfer, within in or
>
>>>> out of region.____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> The need based part is only needed to match any
>
>>>> registry requiring a need based justification,
>
>>>> this can be another RIR or even an NIR.____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> David Hilario____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> /IP Manager/____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> p: +852 29888918
>
>>>> <tel:+852%202988%208918> m: +359 89 764 1784
>
>>>> <tel:+359%2089%20764%201784>
>
>>>> f:+852 29888068 <tel:+852%202988%208068>
>
>>>> a:Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road,
>
>>>> Tsuen Wan, HKSAR
>
>>>> w:laruscloudservice.net/uk
>
>>>> <http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>
>>>> e: [email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On 21 February 2017 at 05:38, Guangliang Pan
>
>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Dear David,____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> From implementation point of view, I would like
>
>>>> to double check if the following proposal will
>
>>>> also apply to transfers within the APNIC region.____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> - APNIC shall accept all transfers of
>
>>>> Internet number resources to its____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> service region, provided that they comply
>
>>>> with the policies relating____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> to transfers within its service region.____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Best regards,____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Guangliang Pan (Benny)____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Registration Services Manager, APNIC____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> SIP: [email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Phone: +61 7 3858 3188
>
>>>> <tel:+61%207%203858%203188>____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> http://www.apnic.net <http://www.apnic.net/>____
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> * You can now call APNIC Helpdesk for free using
>
>>>> Skype. For more information____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> visit: www.apnic.net/helpdesk
>
>>>> <http://www.apnic.net/helpdesk>____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> *From:*[email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>>>> [mailto:[email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On
>
>>>> Behalf Of *David Hilario
>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 February 2017 12:17 AM
>
>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [sig-policy] prop-118-v001: No
>
>>>> need policy in APNIC region____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Dear list,____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> We are only a few days away from the meeting in
>
>>>> Saigon.____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> There has been no opposition to the policy, but
>
>>>> only very little support as well.____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> As the proposer of this policy I would like to
>
>>>> know if there is interest in streamlining the
>
>>>> policy a bit in order to make transfers between
>
>>>> two regions more compatible, it is really more
>
>>>> of a small patch the way I see it.____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Any opposition to it is very much welcome too,
>
>>>> only the "positive" sides were really
>
>>>> investigated and I would gladly hear any
>
>>>> opposition to it as well as any support.____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> David Hilario____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> /IP Manager/____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> *Larus Cloud Service Limited*____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> p: +852 29888918
>
>>>> <tel:+852%202988%208918> m: +359 89 764 1784
>
>>>> <tel:+359%2089%20764%201784>
>
>>>> f:+852 29888068 <tel:+852%202988%208068>
>
>>>> a:Flat B5, 11/F, TML Tower, No.3 Hoi Shing Road,
>
>>>> Tsuen Wan, HKSAR
>
>>>> w:laruscloudservice.net/uk
>
>>>> <http://laruscloudservice.net/uk>
>
>>>> e: [email protected]
>
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>>>>
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>
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>
>>>> -- ____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Best Wishes,____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> __ __
>
>>>>
>
>>>> Aftab A. Siddiqui____
>
>>>>
>
>>>> --
>
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>
>>>>
>
>>>> Aftab A. Siddiqui
>
>>>>
>
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>
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>
>
>
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>
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