Right Greg, it is a good thing for ADKS to reach out; they *need* to. Just because the review wasn't glowing (it wasn't particularly negative either) and that the list did not grab onto the positive parts doesn't mean you guys aren't doing a good job. I know Maya will never be Softimage...I would not want it to be, you'd probably end up with the shortcomings of both packages that way. :P
Keep at the outreach and, above all, seriously listen and seek to understand what worked for Soft users in the Softimage workflow. Jill & Maurice...you have both been very patient and helpful. Graham, I apologize for calling you out on the personal bit, it was uncalled for. Cheers, -=Eric T. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Greg Punchatz <[email protected]> wrote: > Graham I for one am glad you did this, I would love for something like > this to be held at Janimation. > > Greg > > "The future is unwritten"- Joe Strummer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 10, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Eric Turman <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please, let's be honest Graham, you *have* taken certain barbs at > Autodesk personally, even when they were not directed personally at you or > your co-workers. As Adrian said: > > "it will take YEARS for the resentment to fizzle out....just because the > list has settled down of late (it's disappointingly like a ghost town in > here most days) it doesn't mean the embers of our collective anger aren't > still glowing away...but don't expect users not to throw abuse > occasionally when you stick your head above the parapet!" > > # Personal experience...fast forward if you wish. > Any of the ire and seething hatred that may be shining forth from my > previous emails is directly because I suffered--no exaggeration--suffered > through over 5 years of using Maya from late 2001 to early 2007. I know how > Maya is supposed to be used and its mind-set...and it still sucks. And now, > since April of this year, I have been using the current release build of > Maya after hours and weekend almost 7 days a week and I find myself dragged > back into that swirling vortex of pain and misery known as Maya. It has > caused my blood pressure to leap up over 30 points on the systolic since I > have started to use it. Maya takes so much more work to do the same things. > For example: rigging in Maya sucks donkey balls...I can eventually do the > same things in Maya, but the stupid hoops that I have to jump through are > ridiculous; the complexity needed to achieve the same results is ludicrous. > And the overall workflow of Maya has so much friction that it is > unbelievable that anyone can get any work done with it and > remain competitive. > > Earlier this year, before I got into the after-hour freelance, I really > wanted to try and make a positive difference through the beta program to > improve Maya since it is the only viable option to Softimage. However, > every time I sit down to compose a list of all that is wrong with it and > how Maya can be improved, I feel my teeth grinding, I feel the > anger surging and my blood pressure soaring. In such a state, I know that > my suggestions are not going to come out in a constructive manner, so I > have withheld my feedback until such a time where I won't offend and the > effort wont give me a stroke or a heart attack. > # gripe session ended > > *In short, doing a job with in 3D with Softimage, even in tight > situations, is fun because, even if it is challenging or there are > curveballs thrown at you, you can feel confident that you will be able to > accomplish it with Softimage. With Maya, not only is it a laborious chore, > if something goes wrong or the client makes changes, Maya has such a > destructive linear workflow that you can quickly find yourself f*cked. It > is as arrogant as Marie Antoinette to think that ADSK has given us an > equivelant exchange.* > > Please have patience with us, please don't have a flippant disregard for > our very real and pertinent points of view, and try not to take them > personally either. ADSK has injured us and and proclaiming to the list that > ADSK is did the right business thing and that you guys are doing a good job > (I'm sure you are doing your best) does not play off too well. > > Sincerely, > -=Eric T. > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Graham Bell <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I accept all that, and I'm not taking anything personal at all. I'd >> actually flip that point a little and ask some to maybe do the same. :) >> >> The point I wanted to make was, there was no agenda to this training, we >> weren't expecting to suddenly win people over. And using someone like >> Escape, provides a good context of neutrality. >> >> G >> >> > -- > > > > > -=T=- > > -- -=T=-
