That at least makes a ton of sense. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign
Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 13, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Sprinkler <[email protected]> wrote: > > Some people have already hit the nail on the head. If the smoke control > system sequence of operations matrix requires the fire sprinklers to initiate > automatic control, then they have to be zoned per the smoke zones (CBC > 909.12.3, 2013 edition, check yours to make sure it is not a California > thing). Automatic control for smoke control is for pressurization system > (supply or exhaust). Is it possible the plan checkers "evacuation" comment is > maybe smoke evacuation? > > The reason they must be zoned is because certain dampers and fans have to > activate based on where the fire is. If there is not 100% smoke detector > coverage, then the only thing to locate the fire based on a zone is the flow > switch on the riser. > > IF there is 100% smoke detector coverage you could ask that the smoke control > initiation be based on that. > > If the smoke control method for your building is passive, 909.12.2.2, > (passive basically being only dampers) then those dampers can be activated by > local smokes to each damper which may already be provided. > > Check your contract docs to see if there is a Smoke Control Rational Analysis > Report. If there is there is likely a sequence of operations matrix and smoke > zones shown in the document. It might say smokes initiate or it might say > sprinklers initiate. Check it out. > > If there is nothing in your contract docs that states the smoke zones or any > other indication of "automatic" versus "passive" system...then initiate your > change order accordingly. > > Hope this helps. > > Justin Reid > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It doesn't. I was just hoping there wasn't some strange reference in the >> I-codes or NFPA 101 that requires the smoke, alarm and sprinkler zones to >> follow the same footprint in an I-2 occupancy. This project currently has 3 >> risers. It would go to 8 if we have to follow smoke zones as there are 8 >> smoke compartments. Also, this was originally a loop system. That would >> break so all of the pipe sizing would go up. It would just be a real >> nightmare to adjust for something that I am hoping is not an obscure >> reference. >> >> Travis Mack, SET >> MFP Design, LLC >> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >> 480-505-9271 >> fax: 866-430-6107 >> email:[email protected] >> >> http://www.mfpdesign.com >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack >> >>> On 4/13/2016 4:46 PM, Matthew J Willis wrote: >>> Ok, first thing in the am, I am re reading 13 on where any of this applies >>> to a sprinkler drawing.... >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Brad Casterline <[email protected]> >>> Date: 04/13/2016 5:44 PM (GMT-07:00) >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Fire Sprinkler Plan to Match Evacuation Plan?? >>> >>> Just a heads-up Travis, >>> It might go deeper than matching footprints- that is rarely a problem. >>> A problem would be if the exhaust rate sizer used QR, 165F, at max 225 >>> S.F., but you, being a 13 aficionado, installed QR, 200F, at 324 S.F. >>> >>> In a ~16 ft ceiling the exhaust rate would fall about 20,000 CFM short... >>> >>> ballpark figures, of course. >>> >>> Brad >>> On Apr 13, 2016 5:42 PM, "Roland Huggins" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There is a section in the IBC that tries to address the fact that fire >>>> alarm zones and sprinklers zones are different sizes and that the larger >>>> sprinkler zone is NOT limited to the size of the fire alarm zone. See >>>> section 907.6.4 >>>> >>>> Roland >>>> >>>> >>>> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering >>>> American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives >>>> Dallas, TX >>>> http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> I have a reviewer stating that the fire sprinkler plan has to match the >>>> evacuation plan and the smoke zones of the fire alarm plan. This is an I-2 >>>> Occupancy. Has anyone ever come across this? After 3 weeks in plan >>>> review, he kicked it back saying he can't review until we provide this >>>> information. 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