I'm not an alarm guy so not sure, but wouldn't there be smoke detectors that could activate the fire alarms and voice evac systems. The flow switch could just be a general building alarm? This is way above my pay grade so just trying to think through it.
Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 13, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Duane Johnson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Don't forget the other half of the comment...evacuation. If the egress plan > includes zoned evacuation, in lieu of general building evacuation, then the > flow switch used to move folks from one smoke compartment to the other will > need to align with the compartments and the voice evacuation messages. If > egress plans tell you to move across a fire/smoke barrier but the fire alarm > message is playing or partially playing in that zone, then you have a > problem. Sections 9.6.3 and 9.6.7 in NFPA 101 provide some direction. However > all of this is a design choice and process that must be coordinated during > the design development phase, not during shop drawing development. > > Forward the comment to the AE for resolution. > > Duane Johnson > Strickland Fire Protection > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 13, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Sprinkler <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Some people have already hit the nail on the head. If the smoke control >> system sequence of operations matrix requires the fire sprinklers to >> initiate automatic control, then they have to be zoned per the smoke zones >> (CBC 909.12.3, 2013 edition, check yours to make sure it is not a California >> thing). Automatic control for smoke control is for pressurization system >> (supply or exhaust). Is it possible the plan checkers "evacuation" comment >> is maybe smoke evacuation? >> >> The reason they must be zoned is because certain dampers and fans have to >> activate based on where the fire is. If there is not 100% smoke detector >> coverage, then the only thing to locate the fire based on a zone is the flow >> switch on the riser. >> >> IF there is 100% smoke detector coverage you could ask that the smoke >> control initiation be based on that. >> >> If the smoke control method for your building is passive, 909.12.2.2, >> (passive basically being only dampers) then those dampers can be activated >> by local smokes to each damper which may already be provided. >> >> Check your contract docs to see if there is a Smoke Control Rational >> Analysis Report. If there is there is likely a sequence of operations matrix >> and smoke zones shown in the document. It might say smokes initiate or it >> might say sprinklers initiate. Check it out. >> >> If there is nothing in your contract docs that states the smoke zones or any >> other indication of "automatic" versus "passive" system...then initiate your >> change order accordingly. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Justin Reid >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It doesn't. I was just hoping there wasn't some strange reference in the >>> I-codes or NFPA 101 that requires the smoke, alarm and sprinkler zones to >>> follow the same footprint in an I-2 occupancy. This project currently has 3 >>> risers. It would go to 8 if we have to follow smoke zones as there are 8 >>> smoke compartments. Also, this was originally a loop system. That would >>> break so all of the pipe sizing would go up. It would just be a real >>> nightmare to adjust for something that I am hoping is not an obscure >>> reference. >>> >>> Travis Mack, SET >>> MFP Design, LLC >>> 2508 E Lodgepole Drive >>> Gilbert, AZ 85298 >>> 480-505-9271 >>> fax: 866-430-6107 >>> email:[email protected] >>> >>> http://www.mfpdesign.com >>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack >>> >>>> On 4/13/2016 4:46 PM, Matthew J Willis wrote: >>>> Ok, first thing in the am, I am re reading 13 on where any of this applies >>>> to a sprinkler drawing.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Brad Casterline <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 04/13/2016 5:44 PM (GMT-07:00) >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Fire Sprinkler Plan to Match Evacuation Plan?? >>>> >>>> Just a heads-up Travis, >>>> It might go deeper than matching footprints- that is rarely a problem. >>>> A problem would be if the exhaust rate sizer used QR, 165F, at max 225 >>>> S.F., but you, being a 13 aficionado, installed QR, 200F, at 324 S.F. >>>> >>>> In a ~16 ft ceiling the exhaust rate would fall about 20,000 CFM short... >>>> >>>> ballpark figures, of course. >>>> >>>> Brad >>>> On Apr 13, 2016 5:42 PM, "Roland Huggins" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> There is a section in the IBC that tries to address the fact that fire >>>>> alarm zones and sprinklers zones are different sizes and that the larger >>>>> sprinkler zone is NOT limited to the size of the fire alarm zone. See >>>>> section 907.6.4 >>>>> >>>>> Roland >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering >>>>> American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives >>>>> Dallas, TX >>>>> http://www.firesprinkler.org <http://www.firesprinkler.org/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I have a reviewer stating that the fire sprinkler plan has to match the >>>>> evacuation plan and the smoke zones of the fire alarm plan. This is an I-2 >>>>> Occupancy. Has anyone ever come across this? After 3 weeks in plan >>>>> review, he kicked it back saying he can't review until we provide this >>>>> information. 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