I say you guys should look at Ncomputing i have it runing at my school and i
have 3 server setup for 90 clients and 60 clients for windows and 30 for linux
and its cheaper and works alot better than sunray and cost half as much..
Just a thought
Randy Martin
IT Director
Sunrise R9 School District
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From: Brad Lackey
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Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU
This picture is certainly not lost on me, I'm an ex Sun Employee who
understands the classic EDU "get it in front of them" argument for deep
discounting to institutions. And as a proud CSU grad, I certainly don't want to
loose these products out of there.
I think that the sense of Oracle's support for EDU cannot necessarily be
measured by how a few of your resellers communicate their panic about "no EDU
specific pricing".
I certainly want your business, the Desktop products team certainly wants
your business. Let's work though what we can do to make the pricing right.
Brad
On Aug 19, 2010, at 9:57 AM, CJ Keist wrote:
Brad,
Let me paint a picture for you. We have thousands of students that go
through our degree programs, and what they see when working in our labs are Sun
branded monitors, Sun branded Sun Rays and servers. Our students are here for
four to six years and when graduate and go out into the world they take with
them the knowledge and comfort of working with Sun products.
Now enter in Oracle and their complete lack of interest in supporting
EDU. In three years all the Sun equipment will be replaced, but the way things
are now they will not be replaced with Oracle products.
On 8/19/10 9:41 AM, Brad Lackey wrote:
The story here is probably a little more complicated than everyone makes
it out to be.
Fisrt, The list price of the Sun Rays have not changed, in fact, we are
charging exactly the same for the more capable 3 Plus as the model it replaced
(2FS).
When purchasing Sun, Oracle needed transition the partner and reseller
agreements onto Oracle contracts because all of the original Sun contracts were
now expired. Most of them made the transition, but some couldn't come to an
agreement on portions of the new terms and have gone their separate ways.
One of the things that Oracle is understandably trying to do is be much
more diligent on requiring the purchase of software licenses and support for
previous Sun products. Sun was not as accountable as it should have been when
verifying entitlement and closing all the free loopholes on software updates,
etc. I suspect that there are many out there who are out of compliance. Perhaps
even some of you who are on this list.
So Let's be clear about a few things...
-You must have a Sun Ray Software or Oracle VDI license for each of the
Sun Rays or PC's connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI server
-Alternatively you may purchase a Named User license for each user
connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI Servers
-In order to receive updates to Sun Ray software or VDI software you must
have support for each of your licenses. This support must remain continuously
or re-instatement charges will apply
-There is a Systems support requirement on the hardware. This entitles
you to firmware updates. Even though the firmware is delivered by the SRSS,
this support is required.
I certainly can't comment on discount levels, etc. nor what possibly
money losing pricing you received before, but obviously things have changed.
All pricing to resellers, their discounts, and discounting to direct purchasers
are being re-negotiated now that we are part of Oracle. I'm sure that this
doesn't surprise anybody.
Oracle is extremely excited about these products, there is a bright
future with plenty of updates in the works. I'm sure that you've even seen a
Senior Vice President on this list who personally has been making improvements.
I encourage you all to take a look at the Virtualization forum going on
TODAY which has a ton of Desktop information in it.
http://www.oracle.com/dm/11h1global/53743_ev_virtualizationforum.html
Also, if any of you have specific purchasing concerns, whether it's
finding a reseller, etc. please contact me directly and I will try to get you
some help and attention.
Brad
On Aug 19, 2010, at 7:39 AM, CJ Keist wrote:
Same story here. Our edu reseller contacted us letting us know they
can longer price Sun/Oracle equipment. Sun Ray DTU's are now price $450! Up
from what we usually paid of $298 at the highest. Now Oracle is dropping
OpenSolaris, and from what I read Solaris OS will no longer be a free download
either. Can someone verify this? The future of Sun Rays here is look very dim
in deed.
On 8/19/10 7:34 AM, William Yang wrote:
I don't think Oracle Premier Support is required is it? As far as
I've
seen, the Support for a Sun Ray is just "Oracle Priority Service for
Sun
Ray Peripherals".
Either way, Oracle doesn't show much love for the edu industry since
it
probably isn't obviously profitable from their point of view.
Ditching edu
will hurt them in the long run, but probably not until after Larry has
retired.
William Yang
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:51:30 -0400, Steven Gelsie
<[email protected]> wrote:
Alexander: I have to agree about having a bad feeling about this. We
finally got a quote yesterday and we did get a little discount but
it
was consumed by a "Oracle Premier Support" cost, which as far as I
can
tell is a hardware support cost. Hardware support on a Sunray DTU,
give
me a break. I also got the impression that our supplier is getting
out
of the business of selling Oracle equipment. I think Oracle wants
customers to deal directly with Oracle. Quote: $431 for DTU, $72
for
license, $73 for Premier Support.
I got a better price from General Dynamics on their Pulsar.
Jonathan: What is WSCA ?
Steve
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Does any body know of a vendor that gives discounts on the Sunray
DTUs
?
Oracle does not give government or educational discounts.
We are
interested in the 3 Plus.
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