The very same goes here. We are also EDU and we have already decided to get rid of all our Solaris/SPARC/Sun systems in the next few years and switch over to Linux-based solutions. And with the increased prices and complicated licensing of SRSS-based solutions we are also currently considering dropping our SunRays during the next few years replacing them with other solutions...
best regards, jens Am 19.08.10 18:57, schrieb CJ Keist: > Brad, > Let me paint a picture for you. We have thousands of students that > go through our degree programs, and what they see when working in our > labs are Sun branded monitors, Sun branded Sun Rays and servers. Our > students are here for four to six years and when graduate and go out > into the world they take with them the knowledge and comfort of working > with Sun products. > Now enter in Oracle and their complete lack of interest in > supporting EDU. In three years all the Sun equipment will be replaced, > but the way things are now they will not be replaced with Oracle products. > > > On 8/19/10 9:41 AM, Brad Lackey wrote: >> The story here is probably a little more complicated than everyone >> makes it out to be. >> >> Fisrt, The list price of the Sun Rays have not changed, in fact, we >> are charging exactly the same for the more capable 3 Plus as the model >> it replaced (2FS). >> >> When purchasing Sun, Oracle needed transition the partner and reseller >> agreements onto Oracle contracts because all of the original Sun >> contracts were now expired. Most of them made the transition, but some >> couldn't come to an agreement on portions of the new terms and have >> gone their separate ways. >> >> One of the things that Oracle is understandably trying to do is be >> much more diligent on requiring the purchase of software licenses and >> support for previous Sun products. Sun was not as accountable as it >> should have been when verifying entitlement and closing all the free >> loopholes on software updates, etc. I suspect that there are many out >> there who are out of compliance. Perhaps even some of you who are on >> this list. >> >> So Let's be clear about a few things... >> >> -You must have a Sun Ray Software or Oracle VDI license for each of >> the Sun Rays or PC's connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI server >> -Alternatively you may purchase a Named User license for each user >> connecting to your Sun Ray/VDI Servers >> -In order to receive updates to Sun Ray software or VDI software you >> must have support for each of your licenses. This support must remain >> continuously or re-instatement charges will apply >> -There is a Systems support requirement on the hardware. This entitles >> you to firmware updates. Even though the firmware is delivered by the >> SRSS, this support is required. >> >> I certainly can't comment on discount levels, etc. nor what possibly >> money losing pricing you received before, but obviously things have >> changed. All pricing to resellers, their discounts, and discounting to >> direct purchasers are being re-negotiated now that we are part of >> Oracle. I'm sure that this doesn't surprise anybody. >> >> Oracle is extremely excited about these products, there is a bright >> future with plenty of updates in the works. I'm sure that you've even >> seen a Senior Vice President on this list who personally has been >> making improvements. >> >> I encourage you all to take a look at the Virtualization forum going >> on TODAY which has a ton of Desktop information in >> it. http://www.oracle.com/dm/11h1global/53743_ev_virtualizationforum.html >> >> Also, if any of you have specific purchasing concerns, whether it's >> finding a reseller, etc. please contact me directly and I will try to >> get you some help and attention. >> >> Brad >> >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 7:39 AM, CJ Keist wrote: >> >>> Same story here. Our edu reseller contacted us letting us know they >>> can longer price Sun/Oracle equipment. Sun Ray DTU's are now price >>> $450! Up from what we usually paid of $298 at the highest. Now >>> Oracle is dropping OpenSolaris, and from what I read Solaris OS will >>> no longer be a free download either. Can someone verify this? The >>> future of Sun Rays here is look very dim in deed. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/19/10 7:34 AM, William Yang wrote: >>>> I don't think Oracle Premier Support is required is it? As far as I've >>>> seen, the Support for a Sun Ray is just "Oracle Priority Service for Sun >>>> Ray Peripherals". >>>> >>>> Either way, Oracle doesn't show much love for the edu industry since it >>>> probably isn't obviously profitable from their point of view. >>>> Ditching edu >>>> will hurt them in the long run, but probably not until after Larry has >>>> retired. >>>> >>>> William Yang >>>> >>>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:51:30 -0400, Steven Gelsie >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Alexander: I have to agree about having a bad feeling about this. We >>>>> finally got a quote yesterday and we did get a little discount but it >>>>> was consumed by a "Oracle Premier Support" cost, which as far as I can >>>>> tell is a hardware support cost. Hardware support on a Sunray DTU, give >>>>> me a break. I also got the impression that our supplier is getting out >>>>> of the business of selling Oracle equipment. I think Oracle wants >>>>> customers to deal directly with Oracle. Quote: $431 for DTU, $72 for >>>>> license, $73 for Premier Support. >>>>> >>>>> I got a better price from General Dynamics on their Pulsar. >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan: What is WSCA ? >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> On 08/19/10 05:00, [email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Send SunRay-Users mailing list submissions to >>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users >>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>>> than "Re: Contents of SunRay-Users digest..." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Purchasing sunray DTU (Steven Gelsie) >>>>>> 2. Re: Purchasing sunray DTU (Jonathan C. Bailey) >>>>>> 3. Re: old SRSS docs (Quayle, Bill) >>>>>> 4. Re: old SRSS docs (Stoyan Angelov) >>>>>> 5. Re: Purchasing sunray DTU (Alexander Koponen) >>>>>> 6. Re: Purchasing sunray DTU (William Yang) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:28:51 -0400 >>>>>> From: Steven Gelsie<[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: [SunRay-Users] Purchasing sunray DTU >>>>>> Message-ID:<[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>> >>>>>> Does any body know of a vendor that gives discounts on the Sunray DTUs >>>>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>>>> Oracle does not give government or educational discounts. >>>>>> We are >>>>>> interested in the 3 Plus. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SunRay-Users mailing list >>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> C. J. Keist Email: [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>> Systems Group Manager Phone: 970-491-0630 >>> Engineering Network Services Fax: 970-491-5569 >>> College of Engineering, CSU >>> Ft. Collins, CO 80523-1301 >>> >>> All I want is a chance to prove 'Money can't buy happiness' >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SunRay-Users mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users >> >> >> Brad Lackey | Technical Enablement Manager >> Phone: +1 3038758616 >> Oracle Global Desktop Virtualization >> San Diego, CA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SunRay-Users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users >> > > -- > C. J. Keist Email: [email protected] > Systems Group Manager Phone: 970-491-0630 > Engineering Network Services Fax: 970-491-5569 > College of Engineering, CSU > Ft. Collins, CO 80523-1301 > > All I want is a chance to prove 'Money can't buy happiness' > > > > _______________________________________________ > SunRay-Users mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users -- Dr. Jens Langner Ph: +49-351-2602757 Forschungszentrum Dresden-Rossendorf e.V. Institute of Radiopharmacy - PET Center [email protected] Germany http://www.fzd.de/ _______________________________________________ SunRay-Users mailing list [email protected] http://www.filibeto.org/mailman/listinfo/sunray-users
