It is not really on topic, but in historical matters you seem to have got things a bit
confused.
On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:54:49 +0100, Bernie wrote:
>Pippi wrote:
>>Yup, that was what I meant. and it's not necessarily a civil war, maybe
>>the chenchnya people want to be their own country again, not controlled by
>>Moscow? maybe it's a fight for freedom by a country that was conquered by
>>Russia?
Chechnia has never been an independent state.
>
>But then the american civil war wasn't a civil war either since neither
>part had lived there before the other.
So the civil wars in Russia or Finland were not a civil wars either?
>And yes you are correct, Russia expanded to the east and south (and north
>and west but not as much) but that was so very long ago.
Early 19th century, Dagestan in 1813. The russian expansion was succesful partly
because they never bothered to exterminate the local population or to force them to
change religion.
>
>The chances that Russia would let them be free are zero since (in order):
>
>1. The rebels also opperated outside the borders
Caucasus has been a center for organized crime since Stalins days at least. Since the
downfall of the communist regime, they (the rebels/gangsters) have spread also
outside the former USSR, operataing in Germany, Poland etc.
>2. There's oil in the area
There is.
>3. Many other parts (Russia is a federation) would also try to break free
>(remember that it was the three Baltic states that was first out from the
>USSR and soon all the others followed). Kaliningrad for instance would
>probably be one of the first to leave (located just north of Poland without
>any border to the rest of Russia).
The Baltic states were never a part of the Russian Federation, they declared
themselves independent in 1918, after a bit more than hundred years under Russian rule.
Estonia and the northern part of Livonia had been under Danish, German and Swedish
rule since the 13th century, Lithuania was independent until the last partition of
Poland (they were in a union since 1386). The Baltic countries were then occupied by
the Soviet Union in 1940, then Germany in 1941 and the Soviet Union in 1944 again.
The guerilla war against the Soviet Union lasted until the mid fifties.There was also
guerilla war in Poland and the Ukraine until the mid fifties.
The Kaliningrad (K�nigsberg, Kr�lewiec) area is a part of former Eastern Prussia, it
was German ever since the Teutonic knights exterminated the Prussians in later
medieval times. The German population was deported around 1947 and replaced by
Russians, in matters of independence you can not compare the region with any
other soviet republic or autonomous republic or area.
There will probably be some sources for more information in your local library, or
maybe on the internet....
Per B.
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