At 03:56 PM 1/26/03 -0000, you wrote: >> If you can find anything else that requires 100 meg of memory or more be >> sure to post THAT in the 'survpc' elist too won't you? > >I think you either missed or chose the ignore the bit where it requires '20MB >of RAM for text mode'. I posted the link since it was relevant to the >discussion of newbie Linux users who download BasicLinux even though they >aren't running on survivor-class hardware, and want to see some eyecandy. The >bloated KDE monstrosity may require 90+ MB, but it's certainly eyecandy and a >very nice way to show off the system.
I was just in a mood and giving you a poke. I have a link to Knoppix at my DOS & W31 tech website even though it is does not compare to either DOS or W31 in it's hardware requirements. It's there because it is too unique to ignore it. >I'd be willing to bet Knoppix will boot in something like 32MB to a graphical >desktop (there's a choice of KDE, GNOME, Fluxbox, fvwm, twm, and others I >believe) if one doesn't want to load KDE. And there's always the option of >setting up a swapfile; I'll give it a go later and see how it works out. Please try a few of these things before recommending or 'betting' on them. The folklore of what Linux will install onto is deep enough already and my support of BasicLinux is an attempt ot bring reality to the fantasies. There has been an attempt to clarify this on FIDO recently. Linux users 'testing' Knoppix for minimum installs have existing Linux swap files onboard and Knoppix will detect this file and use it. For the rest of the world this will not happen and the attempt will fail. Knoppix has a way to create a VM swapfile on a FAT partition but as yet no one has mentioned if this will execute at the start to aid those with no swap file and not enough memory or this is 'after the fact' and therefore of little use to those with limited memory. :-) >BTW, I see machines with 128MB of RAM being junked routinely these days. I >reckon within a year or so anything less than 256MB will be 'survPC' -- it's >disgusting, but that's the unstoppable march of Progress for you. I guess I should get out more and peek into dumpsters huh? I wonder at times why people 'see' this and walk away. When I was told to toss an AT&T 6300 into a dumpster I put it in my car, got a signed letter saying it was 'salvage', and used it for 15 years after that. I was employed by that company and didn't want anyone saying I just 'took' it. With recent motherboards having onboard sound, video, etc. I would guess they are being dumped when these fail and there aren't enough slots or a way to disable the onboard functions and replace them. In a sense these are 'junk' but they were junk when they were manufactured IMO. This bloat really only applies to Intel hardware as Intel seems to be extremely inefficient at using available hardware resources. My first exposure to a *nix clone was OS9 and it would execute with 64k and multi-task and do multiusers. We _may_ have alternatives some day to use more efficient hardware if the bloat and ineffiencies of Intel platforms becomes more obvious to everyone. I know, overly optimistic, but I can dream? Charles.Angelich "DOS Ghost" Tech Website : http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/ Music,Photos,Stories,etc. Website : http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/faf/ Default Browser HomePage : http://www.undercoverdesign.com/dosghost/homepage.asp To unsubscribe from SURVPC send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe SURVPC in the body of the message. Also, trim this footer from any quoted replies. More info can be found at; http://www.softcon.com/archives/SURVPC.html
