Jim Leonard wrote:
>Pedro Quaresma wrote:
>
> Oh, oh, hold it, hold it, hold it right there!
>Why? Are great games allowed to have horrible payoffs that are completely
not
>in the spirit of the rest of the game?
No, but the fact that they don't have neat payoffs don't make them "bad
games". And we were discussing "bad games".
> Although I'd love to see a different ending (and I've seen worse ones),
the
> game is very good, and it represents a very important moment in the
history
> of Computer Role-Playing Games!
>What's the important moment?
It was released on a very important period for 90degrees 1st person
perspective RPGs. Everyone was waiting for a worthy sequel to Dungeon
Master.
>It was very good in several areas, yes, but it
>wasn't doing anything that Dungeon Master hadn't done 3 years before...
It implemented D&D rules on a 90o 1st person RPG (let's call it 90d1stRPG
for short ;)), and it had, IMO, a better plot than Dungeon Master, too.
I'm willing to agree that DM1 was probably better, but EOB1 was a very good
game.
> As far as bad games go, for many years I've considered Ishar 2 to be the
> worst RPG ever. I simply hate games with many "Death Traps" (places in
> which if you don't do the intended thing, you can go on playing but
you'll
> never finish the game again). Besides, without the hintbook one has no
idea
> what to do next, as the plot is rather weak.
>
> Nevertheless, nowadays, I'd rather play Ishar 2 than for example
Stonekeep,
> or Lands of Lore 2, or *shiver* Baldur's Gate 2...
>I understand the first 2, but Baldur's Gate 2 is a great game...?
Oh, no it's not. I'm sorry, I just can't agree. As I mentioned once, I've
played around 200 RPGs in my life, and through some direct comparison, I've
seen nothing special about Baldur's Gate 2 but the graphics (which are
indeed beautiful), but that doesn't matter as far as a RPG is concerned.
The storyline and plot are terrible, the interface is average, the combat
system not even that. No puzzles or riddles at all, mostly just fight,
fight, fight. To make things worse, the game is a lot more linear than its
predecessor.
Why is it a great game? Because it sold well? Because many people say "It's
brilliant, look at those graphics! and those visual effects! and that
sound!" ?
Pedro R. Quaresma
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