To get back to the lighter notes... speaking of Ella and a true all star
band:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgQ3KOZHKGo

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On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 9:12 AM, mistertaterbug <[email protected]>wrote:

> Hey Dennis,
> This is one of those times when you oughta take a deep breath before
> you hit the "send" button. We're not talking about levels of talent or
> a person's ability to play or not. Mostly the home folks are bragging
> on the local boy, others are acknowledging their talent but are not
> moved by the performance, others are talking about siblings who can
> tear it up, so on and so forth on this rambling topic. If jealousy or
> envy enters into this, then count me in too. I'm envious of their
> accomplishments at such an early age and all the opportunities that
> await them down the road, not in what they play because I play the
> style I want to play. I actually LIKE bluegrass and oldtime and pretty
> much have no tolerance for jazz. It's not that I couldn't play it if
> that was what I was into. It's that I don't want to play it, don't
> want to learn anything about it because it doesn't speak to me(unless
> Ella Fitzgerald is singing it). I've seen/heard a number of
> bluegrassers who, once they learn how to play at a certain level,
> decide they are jazz players. This has been covered before. I'd rather
> be a great bluegrasser than a crappy jazz player, or vice versa.
>
> Hey, I'm one of those guys who pissed away a lot of time and energy
> when I was a kid out rambling around, partly not having direction,
> partly trying to overcome my Dad's condemnation for me not being "like
> everybody else"(apparently having a mandolin player in the house was
> an embarrassment), partly out drinking and drugging and whatnot to
> forget it, and partly because I just liked being out rambling around
> and
> letting my mind run. So, fire off a few rounds in my direction too.
> There's more involved in your response to Brian's comment than
> meets the eye. You and I have had a conversation about this. I know
> you have very strong feelings regarding some of the points you brought
> up.
>
> Brian has plenty of talent. So do you. What have you been doing with
> yours lately? I don't get the weekly visit from you anymore. Oh, and
> please stop attaching all the spay and neuter messages to your
> messages here. We get it.
>
> Simmer down, Otis.
> Taterbug
>
> On Jan 5, 1:09 pm, Dennis Fehling <[email protected]> wrote:
> > it's just jealous plain and simple........they do knwo how to pla and
> express themselves in their own way, that's why music is a from of personal
> expression.  I'm sure Brian that you were influenced by someone and have
> some residual effects from your5  exposure to them unless you are the person
> who created music to begin with.  Be happy that these kids are doing
> whatthey are doing what they are doing and not being out in the streets
> doing drugs, raping, or other wise getting into trouble.  And stop bheing
> jealous of the talent they have which you will never possess.
> >
> > Dennis.
> >
> > www.friendsforlifedogtraining.com
> >
> > When will the madness stop.  Spay and Neuter your pets
> >
> >  EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> > Join me
> >
> > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 08:48:27 -0800
> > From: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Old Daingerfield
> > To: [email protected]
> >
> > Seems pretty harsh to suggest these guys don't know how to play just
> because their music doesn't move you.  I'm not particularly moved by this
> performance either, other to notice that both of these guys have chops way
> beyond what I can ever hope for, but I mean hey they may have really gotten
> to somebody and sparked something that music hasn't ever hit before.
> >
> > From: Dasspunk <[email protected]>
> > To: Taterbugmando <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 8:34:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: Old Daingerfield
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > I usually look the other way when talented kids use a good tune as a
> > springboard to launch a flurry of self gratifying notes without regard
> > for their need or appropriateness within the tune. It's an extremely
> > common phenomenon that I call this --pardon the term-- musical
> > masturbation. I look the other way because they're kids after all and
> > it often takes a bit of age to go from being *able* to play really
> > well, to actually knowing *how* to play.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I could probably guess who some of their teachers have
> > been and some, though they've not been kids for 30-40+ years, condone
> > and practice musical masturbation regularly.
> >
> > I don't mean to pick on the kids but I would like to see this cycle
> > discontinued. The truth is I'm selfishly desperate for it to change
> > because I want to hear some new, truly great music and settling for
> > circus antics and musical masturbation is robbing me of the chance. I
> > would challenge these immensely talented kids to dig deeper and really
> > learn how to play.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On Jan 3, 6:49 pm, Mark Seale <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > No doubt all great players.  But, if I walked into the room while
> Joliff was
> > > playing the first tune on this clip, I would not have known it was
> > > Mississippi Waltz, and I play the tune!  And on Old Daingerfield with
> Alex,
> > > again really done well, but why the need to separate the 3rd part?
>  Because
> > > you can agree to do it?  It didn't add anything to what is a great
> tune.  I
> > > enjoyed a lot of the tune development within the tune, but to me it
> just got
> > > disjointed by creating that space.  But, that's just me... :)
> >
> > > Mark
> >
> > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Trey Young <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwALaWvTWKQ
> >
> > > > here is one such clip
> >
> > > >  ------------------------------
> > > > *From:* Trey Young <[email protected]>
> > > > *To:* [email protected]
> > > > *Sent:* Sun, January 3, 2010 11:50:57 AM
> > > > *Subject:* Re: Old Daingerfield
> >
> > > >  there are some good clips of Jake Joliff playing with John McGann on
> the
> > > > youtube...
> >
> > > >  ------------------------------
> > > > *From:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > *To:* [email protected]
> > > > *Sent:* Sun, January 3, 2010 11:33:27 AM
> > > > *Subject:* Re: Old Daingerfield
> >
> > > > Jake Jolliff is the mandolin player, he is from Newberg, Oregon.
>  Jake is a
> > > > Junior at Berklee, lives now in Boston.
> > > > He plays in "Joy Kills Sorrow" with bunch of young musical
> terrorists, all
> > > > very good, but the language is not
> > > > familiar to me.  I know, I'm old.  Alex is a junior in high school
> from
> > > > Corvalis, Oregon.  The poor kid doesn't even have a band
> > > > of his own, has to be content to play with Grisman and just finished
> a
> > > > nation-wide tour with the Jerry Douglas band'  I just
> > > > hope he finds some success before he gets out of high school.
> >
> > > >  Clyde Clevenger
> > > > Just My Opinion, But It's Right
> > > > Salem, Oregon
> > > > Old Circle <http://www.myspace.com/oldcircle>
> >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Terry Harvey" <[email protected]>
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:53:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> > > > Subject: Re: Old Daingerfield
> >
> > > > We just saw Alex H. (the fiddler) with the David Grisman Quintet @
> The
> > > > Freight & Salvage in Beserkely on Dec 26th.
> > > > That kid can bow a fiddle!!  Who's the mando wunderkind?
> >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Bill Burnette <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > >> Very impressive.
> >
> > > >> Bill in Nashville
> >
> > > >>   On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:30 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > >>>  This ain't exactly like Tater or Bill would have played this, but
> it
> > > >>> was fun to see tonight.
> >
> > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMMK3QI4VHg
> >
> > > >>>  Clyde Clevenger
> > > >>> Just My Opinion, But It's Right
> > > >>> Salem, Oregon
> > > >>> Old Circle <http://www.myspace.com/oldcircle>
> >
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