Funny you should mention laundra-mat. I have a friend who just sold his cleaning business, after 30+ years of operation. He then went to work for the new owner. BUt, the old store is only a pick up and drop off point. All dry cleaning and laundry is now done in another town. I think this(not necessaraly a cleaners)is something you guys in small rural areas might look into. I once had the local Radio Shack(private owned) act as just such a place for me, before I owned a store front, and worked a day job, and repaired at home. HTH Walter --- Gary McCartney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doug, how far away is the next town? Maybe you > could strike up a deal > with the laundra-mat or somewhere to be a > drop-off point where people > could take their TV's and you come along a couple > times a week and pick > them up for repair. I've seen places in nearby > towns around here where > this is set up. > > > > Gary McCartney > > McCartney Electronics > Guelph Ontario Canada > Est. 1984 > email: gary (at) number63.ca > > > > > > > > Doug Keller wrote: > > > > Exactly. In a rural area like I'm in you have > to be nice to EVERY > > customer. You can't p*ss one off knowing that > there are two more to take > > his place, because there aren't more to take > his place. You lose him you > > play on the computer until another comes along. > I found out the other > > day that the town is down to a population of > about 1300. It was 1700 4 > > years ago. No wonder it seems if business keeps > getting more and more > > scarce. > > > > Doug Keller > > Wis-Kel Electronics > > 101 Freeland Ave. > > Terra Alta, WV > > USA 26764 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.tech-assist.org > > "Learn from the mistakes of others, because you > > won't live long enough to make them all > yourself" > > > > Intrepid Video Support wrote: > > > > >LeRoy, > > >More power to you. No one has any business > telling you how to run your business and it > annoys me when > > >other techs tell you NOT to give free > estimates, to charge more, etc... > > >Some of us have to use some creative selling > techniques to bring in more business. > > >I some times spend 15 minutes encouraging a > customer to leave their set. When you have > nothing to > > >repair..you appreciate the ones that will > leave their set and agree to a reasonable repair > bill. > > > > > >Jeff Dougherty > > >Intrepid Video TV/VCR > > >263 S Front St > > >Steelton PA 17113 > > >fax...717-564-4952 > > >www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "LeRoy Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:54 AM > > >Subject: [Techs] Re: Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 > 27B800,no video..(was vertical problem) > > > > > > > > >Hi Mark, and fellow techs. > > >I just put FREE ESTIMATES back up on my > outside sign,...and I don't want > > >anybody to give me any sh*t about it. I've > tried it BOTH ways, and I don't > > >want to drive anymore of my customers to > Wal-Mart any sooner then I have to. > > >A FREE estimate is just THAT,...if they want a > more precise > > >diagnosis,...then they will still have to pay > $1 per inch for the size of > > >the screen. $20 for 19", $25 for 25-27", and > $35 for 32-40". $50-100 for > > >PTVs. > > >I will also require the remote control to be > brought in, to qualify for the > > >FREE estimate. > > >Cause I plan to repair, and sell them as used > sets, and nobody wants to buy > > >a used TV with out a remote control. I plan to > sell them for 1/2 the price > > >that Wal-Mart charges for a new one. After > all, the junk they sell is not > > >any better then a good used TV, that has been > reconditioned properly. Of > > >course,...that has to be part of my sales > pitch. > > >I will have to convence them of that. > > >In cases where the set is obviously a junker, > I won't even accept it to > > >start with. I will give them an unreasonably > high estimate, to discourage > > >them from even leaving it at my facility. My > plan is to get some of the > > >BEST, repairable sets, before they junk them > to buy new. I am certain that > > >there are TOO many 25-35 inch sets, that are > being junked, that could be > > >fixed and sold at a profet. I am doing this > because I am desperate. If I > > >had many customers like the good ole days,...I > would be more picky, but, > > >things are getting scary around here. Dead, > dead,...and more dead each day > > >that passes. Hope things are better for you > guys in your resective areas. > > >You might say,...that I am making a final stab > at it. Beat Wally World at > > >their own game, and undercut them by 50%. HO, > ho,.HA, ha, HE, he,..... > > >;-) > > > > > >LLW > > > > > >LeRoy Westlund > > >Westlund TV & Electronics > > >97 North Main > "Where there's a will,... > > >Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's > always a way." > > >Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 > > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark Wentowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:57 PM > > >Subject: RE: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 > 27B800,no video..(was > > >verticalprblm) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Jeff's a damned good tech Leroy. Nobody ever > doubted that. > > >> > > >>What's going on in Utah. Fun fun fun > > >> > > >>Mark Wentowski > > >>Perry Hill Electronics > > >>3836 Harrison Rd. > > >>Montgomery AL 36109 > > >>phone: (334)279-5622 > > >>fax: (334)273-9050 > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of LeRoy Westlund > > >>Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:21 AM > > >>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST > > >>Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 > 27B800,no video..(was > > >>verticalprblm) > > >> > > >> > > >>Well,....I'll be damned ! > > >>I wish I hadn't thrown mine away already. > > >>Jeff,...you are a better tech then me. > > >>Congradulations. > > >>;-( > > >> > > >>LLW > > >> > > >>LeRoy Westlund > > >>Westlund TV & Electronics > > >>97 North Main > "Where there's a will,... > > >>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 There's > always a way." > > >>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 > > >>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Doug Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>To: ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>Date: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:11 AM > > >>Subject: Re: [Techs] Fixed..NAP HD2717C101 > 27B800, no video..(was > > >>verticalprblm) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Don't applaud,..........throw money!!! > > >>> > > >>>Doug Keller > > >>>Wis-Kel Electronics > > >>>101 Freeland Ave. > > >>>Terra Alta, WV > > >>>USA 26764 > > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>http://www.tech-assist.org > > >>>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because > you > > >>>won't live long enough to make them all > yourself" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Intrepid Video Support wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Persistence pays off again... > > >>>>After spending a lot of time in the > vertical section, I came to the > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>conclusion my final fault was not in > > >> > > >> > > >>>>this circuit. It was confusing since > removing the vertical connector for > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>the yoke, I got a horizontal > > >> > > >> > > >>>>line.. > > >>>>In my checks of IC271, I found my voltage > low on pin 18(s/b 5.1v). > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >Lifting > > > > > > > > >>the pin and the voltage came > > >> > > >> > > >>>>up. > > >>>>On connector J251, I had 1K ohms resistance > pin 5 to ground, unsoldered > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>and isolated problem to CRT board > > >> > > >> > > >>>>as other techs had suggested. I thought I > ruled the CRT board out as > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >shows > > > > > > > > >>video on the scope on each IC > > >> > > >> > > >>>>and injected video and the screen lit up. > > >>>>Tracing the path back I found the final two > video out IC's(that I did not > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>replace in the beginning) > > >> > > >> > > >>>>actually had pins 5 shorted to ground, > lifted to confirm that pins 4,5 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>were shorted. > > >> > > >> > > >>>>Replaced IC's and screen lit up, though > decreased vertical...I put the > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>original EEPROM back in set and > > >> > > >> > > >>>>picture was perfect. > > >>>>I appreciate everyone that sent schematics > and offered their help. I > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>couldn't have completed this task > > >> > > >> > > >>>>without the help from this list.. > > >>>>Thank you. > > >>>> > > >>>>Jeff Dougherty > > >>>>Intrepid Video TV/VCR > > >>>>263 S Front St > > >>>>Steelton PA 17113 > > >>>>fax...717-564-4952 > > >>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > >>>> > > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>From: "Intrepid Video Support" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>To: "ELECTRONICS PROFESSIONALS LIST" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 1:04 PM > > >>>>Subject: [Techs] 2nd REQ... TA...NAP > HD2717C101 27B800,no video..(was > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>vertical prblm) > > >> > > >> > > >>>>Going with a fresh post on this one. I > still can't find the problem. > > >>>>First thing, I found the resistors and > diodes for the 13 (-/+) lines bad, > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>replaced those and shorted > > >> > > >> > > >>>>vertical IC. > > >>>>Then, I had raster that was red with > retrace, found the RED video IC bad > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>on CRT board. Also, R50 > > >> > > >> > > >>>>open..replaced, then back to no video. > > >>>>I've tried three more vertical out IC's all > OEM and NTE, still no video. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>With the NTE in, I get some video > > >> > > >> > > >>>>very top of screen about 1/4 inch across. > > >>>>On IC271, 46/47, voltages were about a volt > low and wave forms were low > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>p-p, replaced IC..no fix. > > >> > > >> > > >>>>Wave forms in/out of SAW filter are OK. > > >>>>On pin 1 over vertical yoke, which comes > from pin 5 of vertical wave form > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>shows about 50 vpp, very high. > > >> > > >> > > >>>>Pin 6,7 of vertical show low pp voltage. > > >>>>I've went over and over my traces solder, > replace the resistors and diode > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>with OEM numbers, went over the > > >> > > >> > > >>>>CRT board again. > > >>>>If I remove the vertical plug, I do get a > horizontal line and the power > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>LED flashes. I checked the yoke > > >> > > >> > > >>>>and it is about 1 ohm off from one on > another set. > > >>>>I have the schematic of this section, but > am not sure what is causing > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>these wave forms to vary. > > >> > > >> > > >>>>I put in another Philips IC and the wave > forms are even farther off. > > >>>>Any other ideas before I scrap this > set...I've done many of these B8 for > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>the same problem and have never > > >> > > >> > > >>>>had this type of trouble, > > >>>>Thank you. > > >>>> > > >>>>Jeff Dougherty > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 > plus shipping...One year of > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>updates free. > > >> > > >> > > >>>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > >>>>Techs mailing list > > >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >>>_______________________________________________ > > >>>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus > shipping...One year of > > >>> > > >>> > > >updates > > > > > > > > >>free. > > >> > > >> > > >>>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > >>>Techs mailing list > > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus > shipping...One year of updates > > >>free. > > >>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > >>Techs mailing list > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus > shipping...One year of updates > > >> > > >> > > >free. > > > > > > > > >>www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > >>Techs mailing list > > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus > shipping...One year of updates free. > > >www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > >Techs mailing list > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus > shipping...One year of updates free. > > >www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > >Techs mailing list > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus > shipping...One year of updates free. > > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > > Techs mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Tech Repair CD...order your just $49.00 plus > shipping...One year of updates free. > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net > Techs mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://intrepid-video.com/mailman/listinfo/techs_intrepid-video.com
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