************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Glen wrote: >4. You might consider liaising with experts in psychology and mental >health who can give perspectives on why Trom works that are in line with >what science knows about the mind. (Some forms of therapy are doing >work similar to Trom already.) People trust science. You want science >on your side.
Hi Glen TROM is not in line with science regarding the mind. And science is not in line with life regarding the mind. Roberto > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Glen Strathy [mailto:[email protected]] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. April 2011 16:08 > An: The Resolution of Mind list > Betreff: Re: [TROM1] needed TROM materials without 'Scientologese' > > Hello, > > I am new to Trom and this list, but I'd like to make a suggestion. > > If Trom is to ever take off, it needs to be presented in a much more > accessible form, something the average person will get excited about. > > That might mean creating a popular self-help book, like The > Power of Now. > > Such a book should... > > 1. Include examples that explain the terminology. For > instance, let's > have some examples of what "to make known" means, because the > postulates > are just gobbledygook to the average person. > 2. Explain Trom in language everyone can understand and relate to. > Sure, Trom may seem simple to someone who has spent many > years studying > the philosophy of Scientology and has studied Trom in-depth. > You could > make the same argument about Taoism or Zen. But it's not > simple at all > to an outsider. > 3. State the real, tangible benefits upfront, so people know > why they > should spent hundreds of hours on this activity. That doesn't mean > exaggerating or misrepresenting benefits the way Scientology > does, but > it might mean using case studies or testimonials. It also > means stating > them in a believable way - not by claiming it will give you > godlike powers. > 4. You might consider liaising with experts in psychology and mental > health who can give perspectives on why Trom works that are > in line with > what science knows about the mind. (Some forms of therapy are doing > work similar to Trom already.) People trust science. You > want science > on your side. > 5. Do something about Dennis's recommendation that some > people should go > to a Scientology org and have the CCHs run. No informed person today > would set foot in a Scientology org. There needs to be an > alternative. > 6. Remember too that very few people can do this sort of > work on their > own without social support. Workshops, courses, that bring people > together would help a lot. > > Let's also remember that "Sources" are not sacred. Dennis isn't god > anymore than LRH was. Disciplines (e.g. Tai Chi, Pilates, > psychotherapy, meditation) evolve over time because not everyone is > going to copy the source exactly - nor should they. There is no > absolute right and wrong way to use these methods. Everyone > must find > their own way that works for them. Many people will find > better ways of > doing things than what they are taught. It is only through a > variety of > approaches and perspectives and a growing body of evidence that any > discipline or science evolves. Hubbard got all his followers > paranoid > about doing anything other than what he said because it was > his way of > maintaining control. He feared people's creativity, so he made them > afraid terrible things would happen if they deviated at all. > Of course > some techniques could be harmful, but in an open, non-paranoid > environment those become obvious quickly and can be dropped. > > I apologize if I sound critical. But so many people on this > list feel > Trom has much to offer the world, so you need to get it into > the world > to confirm what it can do for people. If Trom is so good, > why shouldn't > it get on a show like Oprah? But I doubt it will if it remains so > inaccessible. > > Glen > > On 4/4/2011 11:02 PM, Happy Harry wrote: > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > Hi Aarre, > > > > (by the way, is that a Finnish name?) > > > > Thank you for your kind words. > > > > I'm not the guardian of the TROM tech. I followed the > discussion and merely decided to offer my opinion. I feel if > we all exercised a healthy level of caution and restraint in > these matters there would be never be a need for any > guardian, and there would be no risk of the original manual > being altered over time and potentially becoming lost (in its > original form). > > > > Earlier today you suggested to change the sequence of > chapters and add material between chapters to prevent > out-gradients. I know you did so with good intentions. But, > again, this would be altering the original manual. > > > > Wanting to help others better understand TROM is an > honourable and noble impulse. Personally, I find nothing > wrong with creating supplements or study aids. But I think > these should not be put 'in' the original manual. Perhaps > they would be better suited in a separate section of the > tromhelp site and each aid or supplement labelled as such (so > whoever reads it knows it's not part of the original manual) > and always referring the person back to original manual. > > > > In the end, TROM is not terribly complicated and is > certainly not beyond the grasp of any reasonably intelligent > person, regardless of their philosophical background. > Besides, one can always do some follow-up research and look > up terms they don't understand. Have faith in people's > ability - especially those that are 'seekers'. And if they > don't make it for some reason, well...Slim's post entitled > 'The Pill' put it nicely, and it is a very valid viewpoint. > > > > I mean, take the Qur'an, for example: many, many muslims > learn Arabic just so they can read it in the original Arabic. > Think of the effort that takes. That is far, far harder than > an absolute layman (without any Scientology background) > studying TROM. The same applies to Jews studying the Torah in > ancient Hebrew. I'm not suggesting TROM is comparable to > these, but, as a mere example, you get the idea. > > > > On a different note, and I realise this is in contrast to > what Denis wrote about planetary clearing with TROM, I don't > think everyone can do it - do TROM. Take Scientology, for > example: there's this huge organisational structure aimed at > getting people up the bridge, with staff that help you and > push you to do your next step, with books and courses, from > the most basic to the most advanced, with a gradient that's > supposed to make it a smooth and safe ride. And yet few of > those who walk into a church become > > Scientologists. And very few Scientologists make it to > clear, and even fewer to the OT levels - in spite of the > support structure. Well, there is no support structure in > TROM; you're supposed to go it alone (though there is the > TROM list). So that gives you an idea on how many people will > do TROM. Dumbing it down, simplifying the manual won't change > that (it didn't change it for Scientology, with all its basic > courses and services). Be grateful that you found TROM. Those th > > at seek will always find. > > > > Phew, that was quite lengthy. I'm sorry, man. I am, after > all, quite the chatterbox. > > > > Take care, > > > > Harry > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> Sent: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:17:27 -0400 > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] needed TROM materials without 'Scientologese' > >> > >> ************* > >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > >> ************ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trom mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Share photos& screenshots in seconds... > > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at > http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 > > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and > social networks. > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
