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Hi Glen An additional thought re science: Science has made enormous, unbelivable progress and discoverys in all the technical fields. But if it comes to mind and money... well, just turn your TV on. Best wishes Roberto
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April 2011 22:26 An: The Resolution of Mind list Betreff: Re: [TROM1] needed TROM materials without 'Scientologese' HI Glen You are stating some good points but they are contrary to the development of TROM that i am trying to do with the trom'@lists.newciv.org list and with tromhelp.com trom'@lists.newciv.org mailing list is a mutual support email list that belongs to all of us where we can share ideas and experiences with TROM. it is not commercial i.e. not for profit and does not have a budget to advertise which is implicit in the idea you state for "trom to get somewhere" tromhelp.com is solely owned by me and my intent for it is to keep the TROM materials available to everyone for free. i do not spend money promoting it and do not have a profit motivation to do any promoting. my interest in TROM is to get all the materials for myself so i can apply them to my case and make them available to everyone else to do the same. if you want to start up a business or church or whatever of TROM and with a profit motive and budget to promote the practice of TROM you can as there is no one to stop you. you can also rewrite the materials and publish them with a copyright so you can sell the tech just as other therapies and churches do. of course you will then have all the third dynamic problems that businesses and churches have of supressing some of the tech because it is controversial i.e. the tape on sex.or the original text as it might hurt sales of your updated version or not be profitable so you just stop making it available. and then you will need a advertising department to promote all the benefits people will get from your material and a legal department to defend you when you get sued by those who claim the got not benefits etc. etc. etc. i have considered all of these ways to make a mental therapy available. i have studied and observed the travails of the Christian Churches where they deleted the original books written at the time Christ lived because they did not support the idea of a strong central controlled church and government. i witnessed the Church of Scientology's rewriting of the LRH works by scribes who were so far short of the Genius of LRH that they could not recognize when they were turning workable tech into pointless exercises. i have seen corporations turn from producing useful produects to profit motivated monopolies using political or legal power to extort money from their "customers" And i have seen governments start out as "of the people, by the people, for the people" to havens for the criminal class where they can steal the wealth of a nation with impunity. i strongly feel that the only way for TROM to persist for many years as a viable and available self help system is for the material to remain available free and each individual to have the original text and audio to study for their own enlightenment. that is why it is the way it is now and why i encourage everyone to make copies of the material and to put up thier own TROM site with all the text and audio available exactly as it is. if you want to help please make text transcripts of the audio files that lack a transcript as this will be useful. if you have a better idea on how TROM should be promoted then go for it. For the reasons stated above i am not interested in making any changes. Sincerely, Pete --- On Tue, 4/5/11, Glen Strathy <[email protected]> wrote: From: Glen Strathy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TROM1] needed TROM materials without 'Scientologese' To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, April 5, 2011, 7:08 AM ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hello, I am new to Trom and this list, but I'd like to make a suggestion. If Trom is to ever take off, it needs to be presented in a much more accessible form, something the average person will get excited about. That might mean creating a popular self-help book, like The Power of Now. Such a book should... 1. Include examples that explain the terminology. For instance, let's have some examples of what "to make known" means, because the postulates are just gobbledygook to the average person. 2. Explain Trom in language everyone can understand and relate to. Sure, Trom may seem simple to someone who has spent many years studying the philosophy of Scientology and has studied Trom in-depth. You could make the same argument about Taoism or Zen. But it's not simple at all to an outsider. 3. State the real, tangible benefits upfront, so people know why they should spent hundreds of hours on this activity. That doesn't mean exaggerating or misrepresenting benefits the way Scientology does, but it might mean using case studies or testimonials. It also means stating them in a believable way - not by claiming it will give you godlike powers. 4. You might consider liaising with experts in psychology and mental health who can give perspectives on why Trom works that are in line with what science knows about the mind. (Some forms of therapy are doing work similar to Trom already.) People trust science. You want science on your side. 5. Do something about Dennis's recommendation that some people should go to a Scientology org and have the CCHs run. No informed person today would set foot in a Scientology org. There needs to be an alternative. 6. Remember too that very few people can do this sort of work on their own without social support. Workshops, courses, that bring people together would help a lot. Let's also remember that "Sources" are not sacred. Dennis isn't god anymore than LRH was. Disciplines (e.g. Tai Chi, Pilates, psychotherapy, meditation) evolve over time because not everyone is going to copy the source exactly - nor should they. There is no absolute right and wrong way to use these methods. Everyone must find their own way that works for them. Many people will find better ways of doing things than what they are taught. It is only through a variety of approaches and perspectives and a growing body of evidence that any discipline or science evolves. Hubbard got all his followers paranoid about doing anything other than what he said because it was his way of maintaining control. He feared people's creativity, so he made them afraid terrible things would happen if they deviated at all. Of course some techniques could be harmful, but in an open, non-paranoid environment those become obvious quickly and can be dropped. I apologize if I sound critical. But so many people on this list feel Trom has much to offer the world, so you need to get it into the world to confirm what it can do for people. If Trom is so good, why shouldn't it get on a show like Oprah? But I doubt it will if it remains so inaccessible. Glen On 4/4/2011 11:02 PM, Happy Harry wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > Hi Aarre, > > (by the way, is that a Finnish name?) > > Thank you for your kind words. > > I'm not the guardian of the TROM tech. I followed the discussion and merely decided to offer my opinion. I feel if we all exercised a healthy level of caution and restraint in these matters there would be never be a need for any guardian, and there would be no risk of the original manual being altered over time and potentially becoming lost (in its original form). > > Earlier today you suggested to change the sequence of chapters and add material between chapters to prevent out-gradients. I know you did so with good intentions. But, again, this would be altering the original manual. > > Wanting to help others better understand TROM is an honourable and noble impulse. Personally, I find nothing wrong with creating supplements or study aids. But I think these should not be put 'in' the original manual. Perhaps they would be better suited in a separate section of the tromhelp site and each aid or supplement labelled as such (so whoever reads it knows it's not part of the original manual) and always referring the person back to original manual. > > In the end, TROM is not terribly complicated and is certainly not beyond the grasp of any reasonably intelligent person, regardless of their philosophical background. Besides, one can always do some follow-up research and look up terms they don't understand. Have faith in people's ability - especially those that are 'seekers'. And if they don't make it for some reason, well...Slim's post entitled 'The Pill' put it nicely, and it is a very valid viewpoint. > > I mean, take the Qur'an, for example: many, many muslims learn Arabic just so they can read it in the original Arabic. Think of the effort that takes. That is far, far harder than an absolute layman (without any Scientology background) studying TROM. The same applies to Jews studying the Torah in ancient Hebrew. I'm not suggesting TROM is comparable to these, but, as a mere example, you get the idea. > > On a different note, and I realise this is in contrast to what Denis wrote about planetary clearing with TROM, I don't think everyone can do it - do TROM. Take Scientology, for example: there's this huge organisational structure aimed at getting people up the bridge, with staff that help you and push you to do your next step, with books and courses, from the most basic to the most advanced, with a gradient that's supposed to make it a smooth and safe ride. And yet few of those who walk into a church become > Scientologists. And very few Scientologists make it to clear, and even fewer to the OT levels - in spite of the support structure. Well, there is no support structure in TROM; you're supposed to go it alone (though there is the TROM list). So that gives you an idea on how many people will do TROM. Dumbing it down, simplifying the manual won't change that (it didn't change it for Scientology, with all its basic courses and services). Be grateful that you found TROM. Those th > at seek will always find. > > Phew, that was quite lengthy. I'm sorry, man. I am, after all, quite the chatterbox. > > Take care, > > Harry > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 21:17:27 -0400 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] needed TROM materials without 'Scientologese' >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > ____________________________________________________________ > Share photos& screenshots in seconds... > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if1 > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social networks. > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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